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Falconer

Number of posts: 1015 Age: 62 Location: this side of Wichita Tobacco: Kingfisher, Solani ABF, Escudo, Honeydew, and Hamborger Veermaster. Pipe: 2 Piet Binsbergens, Sasieni 4 dot dublin, 1970 Preben Holm Ben Wade freehand, and I'm partial to Prince shapes. Still looking for a dark rustic bent Prince. Registration date: 2010-06-12
 | Subject: finished Novel Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:17 pm | |
| Say guys I've recently finished a novel, (two years in the making) not my first try at this but this one I'm quite satisfied with. But where do I go from here? Do any of you know of a trustworthy, qualified person or business of this trade that would be willing to review it? My first one was sent to some publisher that replied saying, "We liked you book. Please send us a check for $11,000 and we'll print 100 copies in hard back for you." Thanks in advance, Valky |
|  | | Smokin' Blues

Number of posts: 488 Age: 35 Location: Booneville, Kentucky Tobacco: PS Luxury Bullseye, Luxury Navy, Luxury Twist, Escudo, Orlik Golden Sliced, PA, CH, SWR. Pipe: Savinelli Roma Prince 313, Stanwell Nordic 255, Comoy's Royal Guard Pot 495, Several 70's Grabow Starfires Registration date: 2009-04-16
 | Subject: Re: finished Novel Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:47 pm | |
| Congrats on the novel Valky! |
|  | | LL
Number of posts: 2000 Location: Hoth (a.k.a. Bowman, ND) Tobacco: Strong Pipe: Briar Registration date: 2007-12-29
 | Subject: Re: finished Novel Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:55 pm | |
| If you want it published by the trade (meaning other than by the vanity route) you have no choice but to send it with a cover letter to every publisher in the business that is known handle the sort of book you wrote.
Be prepared for a LOT of rejection. Less than 1% of first novels ever get accepted. 95% never get read past the first couple of pages.
Further, be prepared for endless re-writes if an editor thinks he sees a glimmer of wheat amongst the chaff. (Be overjoyed if that's the case---those guys don't waste their time.)
Advice: If you get that far, do NOT argue with what they say. Put your ego aside completely. It is their business, and they know both what they are talking about and what they want. Do your best to embrace all criticism and make the improvements asked for. |
|  | | Irene Adler That Woman

Number of posts: 411 Age: 25 Location: St. Joseph, Michigan Tobacco: Boswell's Berry Cobler Registration date: 2008-11-25
 | Subject: Re: finished Novel Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:00 am | |
| My advice: "Listen to LL". I recommend him on all matters involving the entertainment industry.
He's my number one go-to guy. |
|  | | beaupipe

Number of posts: 207 Registration date: 2009-02-21
 | Subject: Re: finished Novel Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:50 am | |
| Agent, agent, agent. I don't know a soul who still reads unsolicited work and it's been that way for at least 3 decades. This (and it doesn't matter that it comes from a genre site) is useful--maybe essential--reading.
http://www.sfwa.org/for-authors/writer-beware/agents/ |
|  | | Hermit

Number of posts: 3417 Age: 60 Location: Ascension Parish Tobacco: Exhausted Rooster Pipe: Rad Davis Golden Blast Apple Registration date: 2008-04-22
 | Subject: Re: finished Novel Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:25 am | |
| I'll wait for the movie. |
|  | | LL
Number of posts: 2000 Location: Hoth (a.k.a. Bowman, ND) Tobacco: Strong Pipe: Briar Registration date: 2007-12-29
 | Subject: Re: finished Novel Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:41 am | |
| | beaupipe wrote: | | Agent, agent, agent. I don't know a soul who still reads unsolicited work and it's been that way for at least 3 decades. |
Getting unsolicited stuff read is indeed the problem, but not impossible. You are looking (in effect) for someone who is starting out in their business, and willing to do some panning for gold. It's the publishing biz equivalent of cold calling.
Agents have even LESS interested in unpublished writers than editors, if that's possible. After you start racking up some significant scores, they will find you. Before that point in time you don't exist.
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|  | | Doc Manhattan BoB's Team

Number of posts: 3739 Age: 34 Location: Land of Steady Habits Tobacco: GH Flakes Pipe: Gregor Lobnik Registration date: 2008-05-26
 | Subject: Re: finished Novel Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:08 am | |
| If you aren't coming into the business with any connections, the "traditional" way in is to build a reputation publishing short work in reputable places--it is not glamorous nor high-paying, but your chances with a slush (unsolicited) submission are much better with short work, and if you have promise even rejections may help you build professional rapport. Publishing is an incestuous business, and the more people who see anything of yours, the better your chances for a foot in the door one way or another.
But if you're just selling a novel from a dead stop, I'd say borrow the latest Writer's Market from the library and ship it off anywhere that's a good fit that takes unsolicited work. (Unless it's specific genre fiction, in which case you *might* have slightly better odds cold-submitting to an agency that specializes in same.) Either way, long odds, but as good as the odds get in this case. _________________ "You know what's right with this world? Nothin'!" -Oscar, "Grouch Anthem"
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|  | | LL
Number of posts: 2000 Location: Hoth (a.k.a. Bowman, ND) Tobacco: Strong Pipe: Briar Registration date: 2007-12-29
 | Subject: Re: finished Novel Wed Oct 20, 2010 3:38 pm | |
| | Doc Manhattan wrote: | If you aren't coming into the business with any connections, the "traditional" way in is to build a reputation publishing short work in reputable places--it is not glamorous nor high-paying, but your chances with a slush (unsolicited) submission are much better with short work, and if you have promise even rejections may help you build professional rapport. Publishing is an incestuous business, and the more people who see anything of yours, the better your chances for a foot in the door one way or another.
But if you're just selling a novel from a dead stop, I'd say borrow the latest Writer's Market from the library and ship it off anywhere that's a good fit that takes unsolicited work. (Unless it's specific genre fiction, in which case you *might* have slightly better odds cold-submitting to an agency that specializes in same.) Either way, long odds, but as good as the odds get in this case. |
Yes to all this ^^^^
An unknown writer trying to publish a first novel is the publishing world's equivalent of a pretty girl moving to Hollywood to become a movie star. Very nearly a total myth. A handful succeed for every million who try.
Every working/successful novelist I know spent 10-15 years writing whatever they could, got published by any means they could, and used as many names as necessary to cover the spectrum of genres that entailed. Outdoor articles, travel articles, short stories, children's stories, formula romance, even porn, etc. etc. Whatever paid that someone, somewhere was willing to assign them or take on spec. Only after they had an impressive track record of such material---and a history of delivering what they promised---was anyone willing to go to bat for them for a novel.
Sorry if all that makes for a downer, but that's simply how it is.
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|  | | Falconer

Number of posts: 1015 Age: 62 Location: this side of Wichita Tobacco: Kingfisher, Solani ABF, Escudo, Honeydew, and Hamborger Veermaster. Pipe: 2 Piet Binsbergens, Sasieni 4 dot dublin, 1970 Preben Holm Ben Wade freehand, and I'm partial to Prince shapes. Still looking for a dark rustic bent Prince. Registration date: 2010-06-12
 | Subject: Re: finished Novel Wed Oct 20, 2010 4:42 pm | |
| Thanks for all the input guys. I'm worn out already just thinking about it. I now think I have a better chance at becoming a pretty, young movie actress in Hollywood! I reckon I've really just written them for my own enjoyment. I need to get this stuff out of my head or it haunts me. Seeing as I know nothing about the business I thought I'd ask. Oh well maybe my kids will read them when they get old and grey. |
|  | | beebiz

Number of posts: 878 Age: 53 Location: McKenzie, Tennessee Tobacco: Actually, I have 3 favorite tobaccos. In order, they are 1) Frog Morton, 2) Frog Morton, and when those two aren't available, 3) FROG MORTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pipe: Bjarne Apple Churchwarden from Muddler & Piet, Nording Freehand from Nitschke066, Peterson Kilarney bought from Johnny, Wally Frank Bulldog estate Ebay find... Registration date: 2010-09-11
 | Subject: Re: finished Novel Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:12 pm | |
| Brother Valky, do you think you might consider publishing your own e-book? Just curious.
Robert |
|  | | Falconer

Number of posts: 1015 Age: 62 Location: this side of Wichita Tobacco: Kingfisher, Solani ABF, Escudo, Honeydew, and Hamborger Veermaster. Pipe: 2 Piet Binsbergens, Sasieni 4 dot dublin, 1970 Preben Holm Ben Wade freehand, and I'm partial to Prince shapes. Still looking for a dark rustic bent Prince. Registration date: 2010-06-12
 | |  | | beebiz

Number of posts: 878 Age: 53 Location: McKenzie, Tennessee Tobacco: Actually, I have 3 favorite tobaccos. In order, they are 1) Frog Morton, 2) Frog Morton, and when those two aren't available, 3) FROG MORTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pipe: Bjarne Apple Churchwarden from Muddler & Piet, Nording Freehand from Nitschke066, Peterson Kilarney bought from Johnny, Wally Frank Bulldog estate Ebay find... Registration date: 2010-09-11
 | Subject: Re: finished Novel Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:36 pm | |
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|  | | Falconer

Number of posts: 1015 Age: 62 Location: this side of Wichita Tobacco: Kingfisher, Solani ABF, Escudo, Honeydew, and Hamborger Veermaster. Pipe: 2 Piet Binsbergens, Sasieni 4 dot dublin, 1970 Preben Holm Ben Wade freehand, and I'm partial to Prince shapes. Still looking for a dark rustic bent Prince. Registration date: 2010-06-12
 | Subject: Re: finished Novel Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:53 pm | |
| | beebiz wrote: | | Falconer wrote: | | beebiz wrote: | Brother Valky, do you think you might consider publishing your own e-book? Just curious.
Robert |
Richard, I don't think I have e-nuff gumption for that. maybe when I retire? |
Alright, Bird! But, when's that going to be... three days after Hell freezes over????? Nope... can't do it then... that's when you're going to start drawing the old steam engines in your state! I guess the novel will have to wait until the fourth day, right??? 
Robert |
Only a busy Bee like yourself would work out a planned schedule on his retirement. I'll do what ever tickles my butt once I retire, no certain plans no have to do's, no...what's that dear? Yes I'm listening, yeah I plan to get the oil changed in your car tomorrow. Yes, alright, as you say. Broom, I'll have to get back to you on this. |
|  | | beebiz

Number of posts: 878 Age: 53 Location: McKenzie, Tennessee Tobacco: Actually, I have 3 favorite tobaccos. In order, they are 1) Frog Morton, 2) Frog Morton, and when those two aren't available, 3) FROG MORTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pipe: Bjarne Apple Churchwarden from Muddler & Piet, Nording Freehand from Nitschke066, Peterson Kilarney bought from Johnny, Wally Frank Bulldog estate Ebay find... Registration date: 2010-09-11
 | Subject: Re: finished Novel Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:01 pm | |
| | Falconer wrote: | | beebiz wrote: | | Falconer wrote: | | beebiz wrote: | Brother Valky, do you think you might consider publishing your own e-book? Just curious.
Robert |
Richard, I don't think I have e-nuff gumption for that. maybe when I retire? |
Alright, Bird! But, when's that going to be... three days after Hell freezes over????? Nope... can't do it then... that's when you're going to start drawing the old steam engines in your state! I guess the novel will have to wait until the fourth day, right??? 
Robert |
Only a busy Bee like yourself would work out a planned schedule on his retirement. I'll do what ever tickles my butt once I retire, no certain plans no have to do's, no...what's that dear? Yes I'm listening, yeah I plan to get the oil changed in your car tomorrow. Yes, alright, as you say. Broom, I'll have to get back to you on this. |
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