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Stogiegila

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PostSubject: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:17 pm

I'm looking for opinions on what you seasoned smokes would consider is the strongest heaviest English blend that is currently being produced.

I'd like to guage it against what I am currently smoking to use as a reference or barometer to see if there is something heavier.

To give you an idea, I have read that Bow Legged Bear is very strong, but I don't find it so. I also find it lacking in taste to me.

Esoterica Margate seems much heavier in flavor to me but I wouldn't call it a very strong blend, but would consider it strong. Its been too long since I have had Penzance, so I can't remember what it was like other than to make sure I order some the next time I see it available.

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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:10 pm

I guess it depends what is meant by "strong." For most, it means nicotine, but for some, when discussing so-called "English/Balkan" blends, it means flavor--especially the flavor related to Latakia.

For the latter (Latakia-bombs), there are few that I'm familiar with (others will add more, because it's not a style I enjoy very often): Old Ironsides from DAN (formerly branded as CAO), Larry's Blend from P&C, Pirate Kake from C&D, and Billy Budd (which includes cigar leaf). There's also Dunhill's Nightcap if/when it returns to the US market.

Many people seem to think that some of the GL Pease blends are both high in nicotine and full of flavor. I don't know about the nicotine, but I think most of his English/Balkan style blends are very flavorful.

For what it's worth, my favorite in this very large family of tobaccos is Pease's Charing Cross. I've yet to try his new line (Quiet Nights et al), and I also haven't yet tried the new(ish) blends like Wilderness that Fred Hanna did for McClelland. Wilderness, in particular, is getting huge praise.

If you're extremely patient and rather well-off, some of the Compton's line of English are potent--York Mixture, for example.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:29 pm

When I think "Full English" I think Ashton Artisan's Blend.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:15 am

Butera Pelican
McClelland Dark English
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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:50 pm

Thanks guys.

When I say strong, I'm meaning heavy full bodied flavor. I guess I'm somewhat in the ball park as I have Butera Pelican in my rotation now.

This is what I have on my wish list for my next order:
GL Pease Maltese Falcon
McClelland Bulk 5110 Dark Full English
McClelland Ashton Old Dog
C&D Billy Budd
Prince Albert
Ashton Artisan's Blend

Let me know what you guys think.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:25 pm

Stogiegila wrote:
Thanks guys.

When I say strong, I'm meaning heavy full bodied flavor. I guess I'm somewhat in the ball park as I have Butera Pelican in my rotation now.

This is what I have on my wish list for my next order:
GL Pease Maltese Falcon
McClelland Bulk 5110 Dark Full English
McClelland Ashton Old Dog
C&D Billy Budd
Prince Albert
Ashton Artisan's Blend

Let me know what you guys think.

maltese falcon is good stuff. i think it's a nice mixture of glpease's westminster and mcclellands frog morton. a pretty gentle smoke, i would say.

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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:38 pm

Stogiegila wrote:
Thanks guys.

When I say strong, I'm meaning heavy full bodied flavor. I guess I'm somewhat in the ball park as I have Butera Pelican in my rotation now.

This is what I have on my wish list for my next order:
GL Pease Maltese Falcon
McClelland Bulk 5110 Dark Full English
McClelland Ashton Old Dog
C&D Billy Budd
Prince Albert
Ashton Artisan's Blend

Let me know what you guys think.
Hang on Stogie, Prince Albert is no English blend, good old fashioned burley!!






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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:47 pm

I know, Piet. I just wanted to add it to the mix. This way I can compare the old classic to Exhausted Rooster and Bald Headed Teacher. Very Happy

thanks for watching my back bro!
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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:49 pm

Stogiegila wrote:
I know, Piet. I just wanted to add it to the mix. This way I can compare the old classic to Exhausted Rooster and Bald Headed Teacher. Very Happy

thanks for watching my back bro!

No Walnut?
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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:06 pm

Uhle's Bishops Move Shocked

Bishop’s Move: Rich, smoky and meaty, Bishop’s Move offers a satisfying endeavor into traditional English blends.
Ingredients: Virginia, Latakia, Perique, and Burley.
“…we suggest you keep it for evenings, Sundays and Holidays” –Jack Uhle
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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:16 pm

beaupipe wrote:
Stogiegila wrote:
I know, Piet. I just wanted to add it to the mix. This way I can compare the old classic to Exhausted Rooster and Bald Headed Teacher. Very Happy

thanks for watching my back bro!

No Walnut?

Who's Walnut? Never heard of it. Or the Uhle's either Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:56 pm

I wouldn't consider Walnut to be very strong, and it is barely an English although you can taste a bit of Lat in there. It is a nice twist on a the American burley (from Middletons), and can be a great all-day smoke. Most either love it or hate it, glad I am in the former.

I would consider Dunhill Nightcap or London Mixture to be 2 full strong english-type mixtures. Each has it own special characteristic from the addition of either perique or turkish in the blends. Haven't come across the the new imports of these yet, but still puffing on my supply from before they got dropped from USA distribution.
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PostSubject: Odyssey   Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:02 pm

GL Pease's Odyssey is pretty kick ass. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:37 am

Stogiegila wrote:
beaupipe wrote:
Stogiegila wrote:
I know, Piet. I just wanted to add it to the mix. This way I can compare the old classic to Exhausted Rooster and Bald Headed Teacher. Very Happy

thanks for watching my back bro!

No Walnut?

Who's Walnut? Never heard of it. Or the Uhle's either Embarassed

JH Middleton Walnut, A must try OTC American Light English, I love the stuff!!!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH here we go again boys!!

What the hell Stogie, give walnut a bash too.....
Bring it on boys!!!

JP where are you bro??????? cover me I'm going in!! Cool Cool Cool Cool
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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:50 am

Piet Binsbergen wrote:

JH Middleton Walnut, A must try OTC American Light English, I love the stuff!!!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH here we go again boys!!

What the hell Stogie, give walnut a bash too.....
Bring it on boys!!!

JP where are you bro??????? cover me I'm going in!! Cool Cool Cool Cool

Go for it Piet. I'm still puffing at least a couple bowls a week of the fabled Walnut-weed. I've got your back until JP gets back from MIA!
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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:56 am

Hunter5117 wrote:
Piet Binsbergen wrote:

JH Middleton Walnut, A must try OTC American Light English, I love the stuff!!!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH here we go again boys!!

What the hell Stogie, give walnut a bash too.....
Bring it on boys!!!

JP where are you bro??????? cover me I'm going in!! Cool Cool Cool Cool

Go for it Piet. I'm still puffing at least a couple bowls a week of the fabled Walnut-weed. I've got your back until JP gets back from MIA!
Thanks Hunter, you gota love the stuff bro!! cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers
A bowl of walnut on you bro!
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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:20 pm


I would like to try some Walnut. Do you know where I could purchase a small quantity just in case it didn't suit me? I found some on line but it required the purchase of a "bucket" of it. Thanks






Hunter5117 wrote:
I wouldn't consider Walnut to be very strong, and it is barely an English although you can taste a bit of Lat in there. It is a nice twist on a the American burley (from Middletons), and can be a great all-day smoke. Most either love it or hate it, glad I am in the former.

I would consider Dunhill Nightcap or London Mixture to be 2 full strong english-type mixtures. Each has it own special characteristic from the addition of either perique or turkish in the blends. Haven't come across the the new imports of these yet, but still puffing on my supply from before they got dropped from USA distribution.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:41 pm

I like commonwealth the best, its my go to english...just waiting for more tins to become available
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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:32 pm

The McClelland Dark English Full is really good.
I actually don't think it's all that strong (not that I smoke tobacco on a dare) but it is really tasty. A less refined, fuller Frog Morton.

Highly recommended!
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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:35 pm

And no one ever mentions Perrettis Royal... Shame, shame... Smile
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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:28 am

Hi Stogiegila, the strongest English Blend I’ve tried so far is Bill Bailey’s Balkan Blend by Dan Tobacco. It’s not a tobacco I could smoke every day, but when you’re in the mood for a strong, spicy Latakia Blend, this is it!

The above mentioned Ashton Artisan’s Blend is another one still on my must-try list. As is Peterson’s Old Dublin.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:42 am

Ha, my first thought was bow-legged bear when i read the title. But yeah, pretty mild in flavor, but certainly the highest nic content i think i've ever smoked. Nothin like that throat closin feelin. XD

I'd second the Old Dog and Commonwealth as far as fuller flavor goes. Both excellent blends. (I'm almost ashamed to admit that I bought Old Dog purely based on the label. I'm a sucker for dogs. Very Happy)
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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:02 pm

highpockets wrote:

I would like to try some Walnut. Do you know where I could purchase a small quantity just in case it didn't suit me? I found some on line but it required the purchase of a "bucket" of it. Thanks



4noggins 2 oz sample: http://www.4noggins.com/walnut2oz57g.aspx
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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:31 pm

"Strongest" and "Heaviest" may not go together. Though many think of tons-o-latakia when they think of heavy, the stuff actually falls pretty low on the strength-o-meter, despite the weight of the smoky goodness. And, more isn't necessarily going to seem fuller, either.

When there's a LOT of latakia in a blend, the palate becomes fatigued pretty quickly. While the first few puffs may deliver a boatload of flavour, the ensuing attenuation of the senses will tend to make those flavours seem smaller over time. Paradoxically, orientals can increase the apparent weight and intensity of the smoke, despite being fairly mild on their own, and virginias can help to prevent palate fatigue because their sugar content tends to refresh and reset the sensors. So, something with 50% latakia (quite a lot) can seem fuller, heavier and stronger than a blend with 80% of the stuff, which can be dull and monotonous, and ultimately, thin tasting.

Another thing to consider is personal chemistry and preference. I know some blends that I'd consider very full that others think of as light or medium, and vice versa. What's heavy for one might be a lightweight to another.

That said, there are some contenders mentioned that are probably almost universally considered heavy, if not strong. For the heaviest AND strongest, I'd have to go back to some blends that are long lost to the ravages of time. The old Dunhill Nightcap would fit, as would the original Craven Mixture, and a few others. These were blends that I had to smoke carefully in small pipes in order to avoid a nicotine knockout. Later examples were somewhat tamer…

In my own range, Abingdon might serve, or Charing Cross. These are not particularly strong, but they are fairly full. Quiet Nights isn't as full, but seems a little stronger. Getting both in one package isn't so easy.
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PostSubject: Re: What is the strongest heaviest English blend?   Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:34 pm

highpockets wrote:

I would like to try some Walnut. Do you know where I could purchase a small quantity just in case it didn't suit me? I found some on line but it required the purchase of a "bucket" of it. Thanks

PM me your sail mail addy and we can fix that! Very Happy

I got you Piet and Hunter! There is a reson that JM Walnut has been on the market since 1856! Though many have attempted to, they can not argue with that!
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