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Airborne



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PostSubject: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:12 pm

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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:24 pm

Airborne wrote:
I just donít smoke my pipes ďall the way down.Ē I donít put my tongue through it. Over the years, my pipes have not suffered as I keep them clean and rotated. This would not be everyoneís cup oí tea, but it works well for me to avoid t-bite and I enjoying smoking much more.

Good, sound advice, and I'm with you on #6. I'll give it a go every now and then, but smoking all the way down is kind of an extreme sport, and more than a few pleasant smokes have had a rough ending when I didn't stop when I should have.
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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:31 pm

I agree -- good points.

I believe that the major cause of T-bite (for me) is the "chemical relationship" of the tobacco blend to the tongue. I began pipe smoking about 6 months ago, and this is one of the most impt. things I've learned. 1Q, BCA, Trout Stream, etc., etc., I can smoke to my heart's content. Anything with a high amt. of latakia or burley, I WILL be rewarded with T-bite (even Lane's BLWB -- "burley light without bite").

Like you, I've started backing off the bottom of the bowl. Many times, I've had a happy smoke, and then re-light to finish the bowl and -- zap! -- the harshness of the vapors on my tongue is the unhappy result.
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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Sat Jul 30, 2011 8:34 am

I have to agree with number 6 as well. I've grown to do it naturally, I have to say, but to the detriment of the smoke. At the bottom of the bowl, the t-bite happens and I stop. Now that I've read this, I will make a more cognizant effort to actually stop before the first t-bite. So, although I've stopped smoking the bowl once I hit the bottom, it seems to be sound advice to stop "before" I have the first attack on my tongue.

Overall, your advice is well written and sound. I certainly appreciate it.

Martin
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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:49 pm

Nice post. I think I need to address #6 as more of a mental reconditioning than a pipe smoking technique. When I was a kid I was always encouraged to eat everything on my plate, waste not want not, and I heard the starving kids in China lecture more than I care to remember. Even though I'm totally past all of that in my logical mind, it's still a hard habit to break.

I'm going to work on this one and see if it makes a difference.



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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:22 am

Excellent advice and a great post.
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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:41 am

Good advice as far as it goes, except for #6, IMNSHO. I've smoked a pipe for 52 years, and have never had tongue bite. While body chemistry may be a factor in a small number of cases, the real issue is steam and condensation. The most important factor is drying your tobacco, because moist tobacco causes condensation which causes steam which causes tongue bite.

I still use the advice my dad and his friends gave me back in 1959, and I always smoke to the bottom of the bowl and white ash.

Dry your tobacco more than you think you need to.
Pack it looser than you think you need to.
Smoke it slower than you think you need to.
Tamp it less , and more lightly, than you think you need to.
Clean your pipes after every smoke, using pipe spirits of some sort.
Donít worry if you have a few relights.


Now some folks complain that packing looser means that the bowl won't last as long. While that's true, you end up getting an extra bowl or two from every tin, and you avoid tongue bite, or at least reduce it quite a bit. Besides, would you rather enjoy a 45-50 minute smoke, or get tongue bite and not really enjoy a 55-60 minute smoke? But then again, if you're dumping your pipe 2/3 of the way down, how long is that horrible smoke really lasting?







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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:15 am

Good advice. Thanks much! Just proves that pipe smoker's need senior pipe buddies for proper enjoyment guidance. I agree with all said, and I learned it all the hard way ..... from personal experience.
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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:11 am

I never got t-biteÖ Great points, I also have taken long sabbaticals from pipe smoking over the years, never smoke more than 3 bowls a day and take day(s) off if needed. I live by your items #3 & 4.
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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:28 pm

LIPIPE wrote:
Good advice. Thanks much! Just proves that pipe smoker's need senior pipe buddies for proper enjoyment guidance. I agree with all said, and I learned it all the hard way ..... from personal experience.

SO very true LIPIPE - and this is exactly why I recently joined B0B - I needed to learn from senir pipe smikers.

LOVE this place!
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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:53 pm

Could not have said it better myself Carter! I love to hear tips from others. I've been smoking pipes on and off since I was sixteen, but every lesson I learned was hard fought. There were no forums, and I was never one to hang out at the tobacconist....heck, I considered myself lucky to get in and out with some tobacco without my age coming into the equation! I really feel a sense of camaraderie among the members here. Thanks all.
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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:14 am

tiltjlp wrote:


Dry your tobacco more than you think you need to.
Pack it looser than you think you need to.
Smoke it slower than you think you need to.
Tamp it less , and more lightly, than you think you need to.
Clean your pipes after every smoke, using pipe spirits of some sort.
Donít worry if you have a few relights.


I find this to be very true. I don't understand how people smoke soggy wet tobacco straight from the tin that has never worked for me. It wasn't until I started drying my tobacco (in combination with slow smoking) that I was able to smoke bowls all the way down. And for what it's worth I smoke VA and VApers exclusively and I've never had tongue bite.
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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Fri Aug 19, 2011 4:46 pm

I would like to add to the kudos for your post, and not only newbies will benefit immensely from it I'd wager, as tongue bite is a perennial challenge for many of us pipe smokers. I cut and pasted your sage advice to my Tips and Info folder in my pipe tobacco database. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:08 pm

Great advice... thanks for posting!
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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:20 pm

This is one of the most informative threads I've seen concerning tongue bite. It takes a lot of time and dedication to learn these aspects, so that a pipe smoker can truly relax and enjoy his pipe, when everything comes automatically in his mind without giving much thought or direct attention. At that point, smoking a pipe actually requires less attention than smoking a cigar.
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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:19 am

If tongue bite is what I think it is, then I've been lucky enough to avoid it in my pipes...but not my cigars! I'd say maybe one cigar in five gives me what seems to match the description of tongue bite. Do any other pipe+cigar smokers have anything to corroborate or refute my experience?
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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:29 am

I've never experienced tongue bite from ciggs or cigars. Believe me, you'll know it when you get it!
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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:48 am

CarterHallJunkie wrote:
I've never experienced tongue bite from ciggs or cigars. Believe me, you'll know it when you get it!
So it's more than a brief annoyance, but something incredibly awful, perhaps? Maybe I've been fortunate, indeed.
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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:12 am

Thanks for the great post John. I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who doesn't like to smoke down to the bottom of the bowl, I always find the tobac to be too moist and harsh at the end. My biggest issue isn't tongue bit, it's the roof of my mouth. It sometimes gets very tender, or even burned there. I tend to smoke too hard at times, and I think that created too hot of a smoke and that burns the roof of my mouth.

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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:39 am

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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:50 pm

Wonderful!
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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:36 pm

Used to get the dreaded tongue bite too often. Actually it seemed to also carry through to the next day and affect the way I was tasting food and such. Thought my dang tongue had been dragged through a gravel pit!

This was one of the reasons I gave up the pipe for almost 10 years.

Finally figured out it was due to several factors - primarily trying to smoke too fast, and type of tobacco (in my case 'ginnys). Packing technique clearly figured large into this.

All to say, that since returning to the briar several yrs ago and being a bit older (a certainty) and wiser (debatable amongst my close friends), I now have a better understanding of the techniques.

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Still, I'm no expert and find I have much to learn and catch up on.

Finally, this site has been a major education and am glad to be here!




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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:17 am

I'm with you Brewdude...had some experiences that STUNK as far as my palate getting fried to the point where it was sensitive the next day! But speed smoking and tobacco humidity seem to be huge in this.

I think it's also important to note that as a newb, I had a hard time forcing myself to understand that smoking "fast" has more to do with how hard you draw on the pipe than how quick you go from one puff to the next. I would think to myself "I'm only taking one drag every 15 seconds or so...how can that be too fast?". In thinking about it a bit deeper I realized I was taking a LONG, STRONG drag...that's just as bad as taking 20 quick short bursts on the pipe I feel. Best illustration being when relighting...I still drag way to hard and will get bit even though the pipe, when lit, isn't biting at all..

It definitely takes time and as my experience grows I'd expect less and less bite....I'm getting better though! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:57 pm

...when I was in high school, using (of course) cheap tobacco in a horrid Grabow Lark, I had everything against me. Hot smoke, cheap/dry tobacco, I usually just lit the thing and let it go with almost no draw. It was more a fashion accessory I got harassed over more than anything. Eventually, I learned how to control even the crappiest setup and to minimize the tongue bite.

It's funny, if I smoke out of that Lark now (I still have it), I can at least say I've improved the situation: No metal filter any longer, using good tobacco that I keep soft, and keep my mind about me when I'm smoking. I find that the company/situation I smoke in is often paramount to my habits. If I'm around cigarette smokers, there's this talk/inhale/exhale/ash pattern that each person does. If a pipe smoker mirrors this action to "keep up with the crowd" (as smoking is social, usually) it doesn't fare well to the tongue bite situation. So honestly, most times if I'm in a social setting, or know I'm going to one, I leave the pipe at home. Since I don't smoke cigarettes, I'm just a non-smoker for the evening.

I also try not to do anything else while I smoke a pipe, except maybe have a drink or read, or hang out with a friend or two, also with pipes. If I do projects, work on the truck/bike, etc, my flow and focus aren't enjoying the pipe, and it becomes a nuisance. So I'll take some puffs real quick and set it down for later... doing this too many times means I've dried out the tobacco by smoking it too rapidly and hot, and then keep going back for more--not nice to the mouth.

My method now is to rotate pipes, get good tobacco (kept right) that agrees with me, and relax. I can really take the time to be simple with just the pipe and me.
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PostSubject: Re: The dreaded tongue-bite . . .    Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:46 pm

I found a good read on this dreaded affliction,

http://www.virtualsmokinglounge.com/resources/articles/tongue_bite_the_bane_of_pipe_smokers_by_david_peterson.pdf



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