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PostSubject: Re: **URGENT** CRIPPLING TAXES ON PIPE TOBACCO PROPOSED   Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:06 pm

puros_bran wrote:
FWIW: I'm not saying fudge anyone (except the politicians)
That's class warfare and it must stop if this country has a prayer.

I'm just saying we need to spend what we collect with a bit more wisdom.
If we need more tax more, if we need less tax less.

This Tax, spend, think up more needs, tax sone more, create emergency , tax some more crap that's went on the past 20 years has to stop.

Agreed Smile
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PostSubject: Re: **URGENT** CRIPPLING TAXES ON PIPE TOBACCO PROPOSED   Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:55 pm

gandalfpc wrote:
puros_bran wrote:
FWIW: I'm not saying fudge anyone (except the politicians)
That's class warfare and it must stop if this country has a prayer.

I'm just saying we need to spend what we collect with a bit more wisdom.
If we need more tax more, if we need less tax less.

This Tax, spend, think up more needs, tax sone more, create emergency , tax some more crap that's went on the past 20 years has to stop.

Agreed Smile

Ya hit the nail on the head.
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PostSubject: Re: **URGENT** CRIPPLING TAXES ON PIPE TOBACCO PROPOSED   Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:58 pm

Here's a link to watch the status on this.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-1403
It looks as though the committee that it has been referred to has just a few bills to discuss. They should get to it let's say... probably never if they're going in order.
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PostSubject: Re: **URGENT** CRIPPLING TAXES ON PIPE TOBACCO PROPOSED   Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:20 pm

Like watching a train wreck in slow motion....
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PostSubject: Re: **URGENT** CRIPPLING TAXES ON PIPE TOBACCO PROPOSED   Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:25 pm

Guy wrote:
To the original poster or others. Aside from the venting and analysis, which I think we all took part in. If you are closely following this issue, as this is the first I am hearing of it, keep us posted on timeframes and when (or hopefully not) these new taxes are scheduled to pass at the proposed or reduced rates and when they will take effect.

Yes..... I've been watching this thread with interest.

Frankly I'm not one to follow the developments on a daily basis due to myriad circumstances. It seems that there are enough posters that have taken up the torch however. My on-line time isn't up to much right now so I greatly appreciate those who can step in.


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PostSubject: Re: **URGENT** CRIPPLING TAXES ON PIPE TOBACCO PROPOSED   Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:26 pm

Is there a site up for writing your congressman/senators like there was for the last bill? Someone should post it if so.
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PostSubject: Re: **URGENT** CRIPPLING TAXES ON PIPE TOBACCO PROPOSED   Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:28 pm

I appreciate all the well thought-out discussion here. It concerns me that the governments, under both the Dems and the Reps. seem unable to spend within a defined budget and, oh I don't know, balance their checkbook at the end of the month/year? If my checkbook says $0 and all my credit cards are maxed out, well, I'm SOL.

Let's talk about the program people call "welfare." If you try to look up welfare in the Statistical Abstract of the US. you won't find it. What you will find instead are things such as WIC (food stamps) and Unemployment benefits, and a plethra of over social programs. Where I have a real issue is that working class people, like myself, need a social safety net. Not because I'm lazy, or don't want to work, but because corporate greed and the political fat-cats who get rich from this corporate greed can very easily cause a financial collapse, akin to the twentieth century stock market collapse. The rich are always bailed out by their friends (politicians) but the working class, and poorer classes pay for these bailouts, and other inappropriately spent money, through taxes.

I grew up in a socialist country, and there are many issues there as well. People are people. And if they can get away with being lazy, and collecting money for doing nothing, many chose to do so. However, there is a very important flip-side to all of this. My good friend works probably 12 hours a day, is a self-employed general contractor, and has no health insurance. My wife is only able to work 8 months out of the year, because her company puts everyone on temporary lay-off for about 5 months out of the year. She has almost completed her Phd. in this field, and has a hard to come by job.

My friend can't afford health insurance, and can't afford to go to the doctor when he's ill. My wife and I barely make ends meet during her lay-off months, despite saving money when we can, because the cost for everything is constantly increasing. Gas, food, clothing, tobacco, you name it.

What I'm getting at is that we need better oversight over how things are spent, and a grassroots effort to make our tax system fair for all. I think that Rupert Murdock has it right. We should all be paying our fair share of income tax.

But the issue is so much more complicated. Where do you draw the line? Should my wife not be allowed to draw unemployment? After all, she could work a name tag job, and we wouldn't have to use unemployment benefits. But, she doesn't work during those months because her unemployment check is greater than what name-tag job would pay. My friend, should he have affordable health care?

So what does this mean? I'm not sure. Maybe the minimum wage needs to be a real, living wage? Maybe something else? The issues are myriad, complex and simply mind numbing. What I can't stand are the politician's broad statements, made for media sound bites. They mean nothing, and no more than sound and fury.

We need intelligence, introspection and guts on the part of the politicians.

For the thing we call "welfare," we need more case workers, who can make sure that people on long-term unemployment are actually actively seeking jobs. For long-term disability issues, we need case workers who can enforce the laws that we have, and make sure that people are actually disabled, and not just lazy. This means more taxes in the short term, but maybe there would be massive tax savings in the future.

We need better oversight, to ensure that there are better campaign finance regulations, and that someone is keeping a close eye on cronyism. Too many politicians reward the biggest givers with legislation that profits them. From what I've read through the years, these lobbyist make pretty much decide make our laws, through money, corruption and undo influence. But no one does anything about it. After all, if taxes increase on our tobacco, I bet that someone will be making a lot of money. Oh, and that someone will either be a corporation or a politician, maybe both.

Maybe, in all that I said, it boils down to the fact that we need better control over lobbyists and the entire lobbying system, and enough people on the streets who can work the cases and enforce the existing laws.

There nothing more I despise than freeloaders, who could do for themselves but cannot, and where the "freeloading" is generational. But those who have lost their jobs, and are struggling, deserve help. How do you tell the difference? How do you judge not on outward appearances, but by what is really going on. My neighborhood has a multitude of Section 8 houses. I'm not really convinced that the majority of these people couldn't be in the workforce, making money, and earning their keep. Of course, at the current minimum wage, no one can make ends meet.

We all want things cheap, but someone's always got to pay. I'd rather pay a little more, for some things, and have the money from my taxes spent wisely, than what's been the norm in the country for decades.

Okay, I think this is long enough. I'm not even sure I'm making any sense now. The entire thing is just a big mess, and the baccy' tax is just a symptom of a much, much large problem.
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PostSubject: Re: **URGENT** CRIPPLING TAXES ON PIPE TOBACCO PROPOSED   Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:50 pm

Milan wrote:
Here's a link to watch the status on this.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-1403
It looks as though the committee that it has been referred to has just a few bills to discuss. They should get to it let's say... probably never if they're going in order.
Milan

Thank you this says it all!
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PostSubject: Re: **URGENT** CRIPPLING TAXES ON PIPE TOBACCO PROPOSED   Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:40 pm

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PostSubject: Re: **URGENT** CRIPPLING TAXES ON PIPE TOBACCO PROPOSED   Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:03 pm

Just revisiting this thread after some time. Using the link below it appears that the issue might be dead in the water, provided the info is up to date.

Anyone have any further info on this?


TIA



Cheers,

RR



Milan wrote:
Here's a link to watch the status on this.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-1403
It looks as though the committee that it has been referred to has just a few bills to discuss. They should get to it let's say... probably never if they're going in order.
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PostSubject: Re: **URGENT** CRIPPLING TAXES ON PIPE TOBACCO PROPOSED   Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:52 pm

That would be good news.

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