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Age : 36
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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyThu Dec 29, 2011 10:46 pm

kurthuhn wrote:
tyler wrote:
UberHuberMan wrote:

2. What is molding flash and garbage slot? I assume garbage slot is simply a crappy slot, but hey, you never know.

See how there is a rough ridge on the outside of the stem that is where the rubber oozed into the seam in the mold? Thats molding flash. (You'll want to sand that off eventually.) Kurt is saying you have to watch out for that on the inside of the stem too. You want as clean a flow-path as possible for the smoke, so filing that out would be preferable.

Roger all that.

Also, the slot tends to be a sudden change from the airway to a square or semi-circle slot shape (when viewed from the top). You need to smooth that transition with the 1mm drill bit, using it to sort of "smear" the sides of the slot. You could probably do this with micro files, but it take about 20 seconds with the dremel.

Lots of great advice coming my way. I'm thrilled!

Kurt, as far as "smearing" the sides of the slot goes, do you have photos or video anywhere of this quick process? I've been through your stem making photo essay but don't remember seeing this illustrated.
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Age : 48
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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyFri Dec 30, 2011 12:04 am

UberHuberMan wrote:
Kurt, as far as "smearing" the sides of the slot goes, do you have photos or video anywhere of this quick process? I've been through your stem making photo essay but don't remember seeing this illustrated.

I don't have anything made up currently, but if you give me a couple days I can get something put together. This is best done with a video, because pictures can't really convey the process. It's simple to show, but complex to explain.
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dshpipes

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Age : 36
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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyFri Dec 30, 2011 10:55 am

kurthuhn wrote:
UberHuberMan wrote:
Kurt, as far as "smearing" the sides of the slot goes, do you have photos or video anywhere of this quick process? I've been through your stem making photo essay but don't remember seeing this illustrated.

I don't have anything made up currently, but if you give me a couple days I can get something put together. This is best done with a video, because pictures can't really convey the process. It's simple to show, but complex to explain.

Sounds great! Consider a couple of days given. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyMon Jan 02, 2012 10:24 am

It ended up being a few days due to workload, but here it finally is:



I'll post this at PMF also, but in the stems section in a separate thread.

--Kurt
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dshpipes

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Age : 36
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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyMon Jan 02, 2012 10:41 am

Wow. Great video, Kurt! I have a feeling I'll be watching this a few more times before I dive in. I may also pick up a flex shaft. Razz

Thanks for taking the time to make this. It is greatly appreciated. Smile
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RDPipes

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Age : 66
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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyMon Jan 02, 2012 11:04 am

Great instructional Kurt it'll truly will help me when replacing and making my own stems.
I'm ready and waiting for another one from you.
And as said before, really appreciate you taking the time to show us.
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Dutch

Dutch

Age : 54
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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyMon Jan 02, 2012 12:47 pm

A very educational thread guys, thanks for sharing your tips. study
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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyMon Jan 02, 2012 12:53 pm

Well done, Kurt.
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kurthuhn



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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyTue Jan 03, 2012 6:13 pm

Thanks for the compliments guys. I hope to have the time to make several more videos in the coming weeks.
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dshpipes

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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyWed Jan 04, 2012 2:23 pm

kurthuhn wrote:
Thanks for the compliments guys. I hope to have the time to make several more videos in the coming weeks.

I hope you do to!

Having just arrived home from a brief trip, I'll be trying to find some time to start working on my pipe again and will continue to post pics and maybe a video or two as things progress.
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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptySun Jan 08, 2012 1:12 pm

Hey guys!

Things are happening, dust is being made, stems are being worked, mortises drilled, tennons fitted. Update photos soon!
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Kyle Weiss

Kyle Weiss

Location : Reno, NV
Registration date : 2011-09-18

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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptySun Jan 08, 2012 4:40 pm

Photos, or we'll just think you're at home watching football. Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptySun Jan 08, 2012 7:02 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
Photos, or we'll just think you're at home watching football. Cool

I said soon. Sheesh. Now back to the game! Razz

I'm actually working all day today, so I haven't made a lot of progress since 10 am. However, I've got three days off in a row starting tomorrow, so I imagine I'll be making a lot of headway on the pipe. My goal by the end of the day tomorrow is to have the stem fit to the stummel, the chamber complete, and to have done a good deal of shaping.

Photos by end of day tomorrow!
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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyMon Jan 09, 2012 12:56 pm

Sad news.

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Sad
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Age : 36
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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyMon Jan 09, 2012 12:59 pm

Looks like I've got a lot to learn. Patience and taking care are two lessons learned here. I knew that I'd drilled a bit low, but while trying to round out the bottom of the bowl, I opened up the two holes you see above. So many would've/could've thoughts floating through my head at this moment.

I'm probably going to still use the wood to practice fitting the tennon and mortise, but this poor briar will never be smoked.
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Age : 36
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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyMon Jan 09, 2012 1:52 pm

This thread ain't over, though! I've got to finish a pipe first!

To make myself feel better, I bored the airway and the pilot for the chamber of the pipe in the second video at the beginning of this thread. I'll repost below. With a 2mm bore, I connected on the first try! Talk about a way to make me feel better!

I'll try to make a quick video to show the airway connection. This will be the pipe that I'll be working on from here out:

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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyMon Jan 09, 2012 2:12 pm

Airways touch! Booya!

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Kyle Weiss

Kyle Weiss

Location : Reno, NV
Registration date : 2011-09-18

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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyMon Jan 09, 2012 6:02 pm

Oh man, Uber, I'm so sorry... I didn't even have to read the explanation, I just saw the daylight through the pipe bowl in the picture and my heart SANK...

...well, live and learn, eh?

SO--a tip dear Daniel (tNd) suggested so that might not happen again... after the airway hole is drilled at the shank, at the right angle, at the right length (measured by tip of shank to where you'd like the middle of the bowl to be), THEN you drill the bowl/tobacco chamber. The trick: put a piece of thick copper (or other soft) wire in the airway hole. As you drill, you'll know when you've hit the wire and not go through the bottom, and the soft metal won't decimate your drill bit. Mind you, you're using some funky way to get a tobacco chamber drilled out with multiple holes, and this is specifically for a spoon or other drill bit that makes the chamber in one pass.

I haven't employed this idea yet, but when I get to drillin', you betcha I will be. Cool

Great vids, and good luck! Great shape on the intact pipe, too!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyMon Jan 09, 2012 6:15 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
Oh man, Uber, I'm so sorry... I didn't even have to read the picture, I just saw the daylight through the pipe bowl and my heart SANK...

...well, live and learn, eh?

SO--a tip dear Daniel (tNd) suggested so that might not happen again... after the airway hole is drilled at the shank, at the right angle, at the right length (measured by tip of shank to where you'd like the middle of the bowl to be), THEN you drill the bowl/tobacco chamber. The trick: put a piece of thick copper (or other soft) wire in the airway hole. As you drill, you'll know when you've hit the wire and not go through the bottom, and the soft metal won't decimate your drill bit. Mind you, you're using some funky way to get a tobacco chamber drilled out with multiple holes, and this is specifically for a spoon or other drill bit that makes the chamber in one pass.

I haven't employed this idea yet, but when I get to drillin', you betcha I will be. Cool

Great vids, and good luck! Great shape on the intact pipe, too!!!

Thanks for the tip, Kyle! Drilling freehand does make employing that a little tough, but perhaps one day I'll have some power tools that can accommodate a spoon bit. When that happens, you bet I'll be trying this out!

Before the sun went down, I snapped some pictures of my progress today.

I spent about 4 hours boring and working the chamber on this one and, thankfully, did not drill low this time nor did I drill through the bottom! Very Happy

In fact, the chamber is almost finished and is looking good. I drilled one hole for the chamber this time then did the rest of the work freehand with my dremel. Check it out:

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Making my First Pipe - Page 3 Chambe12

I also did some work on the stem. I took Kurt's advice, but since I only have a 3mm tool like his, the stem is extremely open. I'll see how that works out, but if it doesn't I've got other stems to work with. My apologies for the blurry photo.

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There's still a lot of work to be done, but I feel pretty good about the progress made today. More updates to come!
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Kyle Weiss

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Location : Reno, NV
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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyMon Jan 09, 2012 7:01 pm

I have a $30 Black and Decker drill clamped to a guitar case--all I need is the spoon bits. Laughing If you get something even similar, flexible, rotary "sticky pad" type sanding wheels that fit it and a the same drill/spoon bits, you'll do just fine. Working with my Dremel is almost too small, but I find it handy for finishing work on the pipes.

Geez, this is making me want to start carving something... hmmm...
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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyMon Jan 09, 2012 8:31 pm

For fear of jumping and sounding like the Cliff Claven of pipe making....

Spoon bits, in the context of pipe making, are very strange, particular bits custom made to drill a tobacco chamber on a lathe with the bowl already shaped and in your hand. I don't think that's what you guys are meaning by your use of the term. You guys just need some bits that are ground into a tobacco chamber shape. Most commonly these are SPADE bits that are ground to that shape, and I think the similarity in name causes confusion sometimes.

Anyhoo, sorry. I just thought it would be helpful for you guys to know for future discussion so your weren't misunderstanding or being misunderstood.

Clif--er-- Tyler tongue

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dshpipes

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Age : 36
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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyMon Jan 09, 2012 8:39 pm

Cool! Thanks for informing us! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyMon Jan 09, 2012 8:48 pm

Found this:

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The spoon bit in this picture is the the fat, 3-dimensional one in the middle. Most of the rest of them are ground spade bits.

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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyMon Jan 09, 2012 9:03 pm

Why is a spoon bit better than a spade bit while freehand boring the tobacco chamber?

Are spade bits mainly used in drill presses?
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Kyle Weiss

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Location : Reno, NV
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PostSubject: Re: Making my First Pipe   Making my First Pipe - Page 3 EmptyTue Jan 10, 2012 1:23 am

Spoon bit, spade bit... I guess whatever will get the job done. The tobacco chamber just needs that nice U shaped cup at the bottom...since I have a drill, again, clamped to a guitar case, the freehand "spoon bit" is what I was really referring to. I don't have a drill press, nor do I intend to spend the money on one. I suppose a spade bit would do the job nicely too.

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