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alfredo_buscatti

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PostSubject: Packing Flake   Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:41 pm

I love flake tobacco. If all the tobaccos I smoked were flake I would be very happy.
Flake packing, as I describe it here, yields a 1 or 1.5 hour smoke in a group 4ójust right, for me, anyway.

Mark Chambers from the Knox staff is directly responsible for how I pack flake. He said, "I fold up a flake and put it between the palms of my hands and fluff it up." He didn't give me more information, but his words stuck in my mind. It took me about 5 years to implement what he said.

So, say with a flake the size of University Flake,

I fold it in three and tear at the divisions.
I stack those three pieces of intact flake
I then tear them down the middle, top to bottom, following the grain of the flake
I then take each of the three divided halves of the flake between my palms, and rub
them back and forth
but stop just as the strands of the grain are loosened
After rubbing these stacked strands, all with the grain going in one direction, I place the
two rubbed out bundles of strands together and fit them into the bowl.

With this preparation I maximize both the density of the flake and the property of combustibility of tobacco strands that have been loosened.
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williamcharles

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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:49 pm

I do it differently but end up with the same result and it works great as long as I fit the plug into the bowl loosely. Too tight and I've done screwed the pooch royally.
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Kyle Weiss

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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:58 pm

Call me a flake-stuffing neophyte, but I have taken flakes, rolled 'em into a small single, shaggy ball in the palms of my hand and loaded 'em up in to my flake pipes...provided it was loose enough (which is easy enough to control), I've gotten a great, solid smoke out of 'em this way. Cool Haven't found a need for any ritual beyond this--and I've tried a few. While they all seem to work similarly, for the sake of brevity, I like the two-palms-ball method. Laughing
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Richard Burley

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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:16 pm

williamcharles wrote:
I do it differently but end up with the same result and it works great as long as I fit the plug into the bowl loosely. Too tight and I've done screwed the pooch royally.

Me, too. Fold just the right amount and stuff. Tease the top just a bit and light. It seems to expand and friggin' burns forever. Gotta get some more; I'm runnin' low.
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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:06 am

I scrunch them up much like Alfredo's method when I'm in the car or at work. It's just easier and works well. Only I call it the "accordion method", lol. Same thing: fold, scrunch like an accordion, pack it. Having some loose pieces for kindling is helpful, but really hard to do in the car!

Lately my favorite method has been cubing flakes when I have the time. I cut them crosswise the grain 1/8 to 1/4 inch strips which will break up into little cubes. I just gravity fill and go. No pressure necessary. It really seems loose at first, but when you light it, it expands nicely and fills out the bowl.

Edit: I especially like cubing the GH flakes. They're generally a little thicker and harder to fold easily to the dimensions of most of my pipes.
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idbowman

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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:07 pm

MisterE wrote:

Lately my favorite method has been cubing flakes when I have the time. I cut them crosswise the grain 1/8 to 1/4 inch strips which will break up into little cubes. I just gravity fill and go. No pressure necessary.

I do this whenever possible...for me it creates the best results and is no more time consuming than any of the other methods.
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jlong

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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:47 am

I was never aware of the cubing method. Definately worth a try. I think there is fold and rub method on the GL Pease site.
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Kyle Weiss

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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:05 am

jlong wrote:
I was never aware of the cubing method. Definately worth a try.

Easy enough with a pair of scissors. I'm gonna try this one, too.
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idbowman

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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:54 am

I think you'll find its a great way to go. If its a blend that requires some drying time, it speeds that up too (more surface area, and other science-y reasons).

Just make sure you either grav. fill or use a very light hand when packing. If you pack the cubes just the slightest bit too tightly you'll probably go into a fit of rage.
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Dave_In_Philly

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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:52 pm

Every time I fold and stuff I end up disappointed. I just rub them out as best I can.
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Wet Dottle

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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:13 pm

I'm a fan of just folding the flake and to shove it into the pipe without rubbing, pretty much like it is suggested in the Mac Baren site. If the flake comes apart during this process, it's because it is too dry. Anyway, that's how I do it...
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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:29 am

Dave_In_Philly wrote:
Every time I fold and stuff I end up disappointed. I just rub them out as best I can.

Why?

Won't light?
Won't stay lit?
Draw problems?
etc?
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Dave_In_Philly

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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:44 am

alfredo_buscatti wrote:
Dave_In_Philly wrote:
Every time I fold and stuff I end up disappointed. I just rub them out as best I can.

Why?

Won't light?
Won't stay lit?
Draw problems?
etc?

In short: yes.

Its not the same thing every time, its just every time I end up wishing I had just taken the time to rub it out. I think mostly the problem I have is getting it lit, and then once the top 1/3 or so burns down, I have trouble keeping the burn even which then gives me trouble keeping it tamped to a proper level to keep it lit.
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SPUD 15

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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:59 pm

Dave_In_Philly wrote:
alfredo_buscatti wrote:
Dave_In_Philly wrote:
Every time I fold and stuff I end up disappointed. I just rub them out as best I can.

Why?

Won't light?
Won't stay lit?
Draw problems?
etc?

In short: yes.

Its not the same thing every time, its just every time I end up wishing I had just taken the time to rub it out. I think mostly the problem I have is getting it lit, and then once the top 1/3 or so burns down, I have trouble keeping the burn even which then gives me trouble keeping it tamped to a proper level to keep it lit.

Im With MIKE wish everyting I smoked was flake. The problems Dave might be having #1 let your flake dry out for about 5-10 minutes prior to folding. #2 Fold your flake so it can be put into your bowl easily as it will expand when lit. #3 Do your charing light tamp and relight. #4 Sip and tamp after 5 or six sips dont tamp hard. Try this and you should have a more enjoyable time with flake. MIKE PS use the small end of the tamper ( the one I sent) to tamp and go once around the rim of the bowl about 3 tamps.
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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:30 pm

I tried the cube and let it dry for 10 minutes method. Works a lot better. Thanks.
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Kyle Weiss

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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:48 pm

Flakes are just so damn universal. You can carry them with ease in a pouch, cut them, rub them, stuff them, fold them, ball them up... good stuff. cheers I've even *gasp* prepared flakes in such a way that they can be used in something other than a *gasp* flake pipe! Oh, the horror! Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:52 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
I've even *gasp* prepared flakes in such a way that they can be used in something other than a *gasp* flake pipe! Oh, the horror!

Cool


Please show yourself to the door, sir. You're no longer welcome here. Evil or Very Mad


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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:21 pm

Not really been a fan of Flake style of tobacco. I know, I'm limiting myself blend wise I just don't really like to have to "fiddle" with my bac before I can load it and light it up ! Ribbon-cut bac for me Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:01 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
I like the two-palms-ball method.

Don't we all Kyle!

Seriously though, finally got a dedicated flake pipe. Its a tiny Grabow Duke, in great condition. Had about 6mm of cake in it, but I just so happened to have a small case pocket knife with a worn out blade that perfectly matched the interior dimensions of the bowl, so I reamed it nicely (& on that note, I decided it was time to bite the bullet, have a nice 7 piece reamer in the mail right now), & tried the fold & stuff method with some christmas cheer. I put a couple loose pieces of tobacco on top, but obviously not enough. It was a real pain in the butt to get lit, but once it did take hold (on about the 8th light) it smoldered evenly & gently, & produced an excellent smoke.

I am going to try Luxury Bullseye Flake tonight, after dinner. I am going to try fluffing it up between my palms first, to see if that is a little more user friendly than just trying to light solid flakes.

I really like smoking the flakes & cakes & such. It makes me feel like I am getting in touch with the past, smoking something that one of my great grandfathers might have smoked a hundred years ago. Plus the ritual of it is quite satisfying to me, @ least so far it has been.
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Kyle Weiss

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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:11 pm

Stackle2 wrote:
Kyle Weiss wrote:
I like the two-palms-ball method.

Don't we all Kyle!

Seriously though, finally got a dedicated flake pipe. Its a tiny Grabow Duke, in great condition. Had about 6mm of cake in it, but I just so happened to have a small case pocket knife with a worn out blade that perfectly matched the interior dimensions of the bowl, so I reamed it nicely (& on that note, I decided it was time to bite the bullet, have a nice 7 piece reamer in the mail right now), & tried the fold & stuff method with some christmas cheer. I put a couple loose pieces of tobacco on top, but obviously not enough. It was a real pain in the butt to get lit, but once it did take hold (on about the 8th light) it smoldered evenly & gently, & produced an excellent smoke.

I am going to try Luxury Bullseye Flake tonight, after dinner. I am going to try fluffing it up between my palms first, to see if that is a little more user friendly than just trying to light solid flakes.

I really like smoking the flakes & cakes & such. It makes me feel like I am getting in touch with the past, smoking something that one of my great grandfathers might have smoked a hundred years ago. Plus the ritual of it is quite satisfying to me, @ least so far it has been.

It took someone that length of time to get sophomoric and respond? I'm ashamed to know all of you. Thanks for making the grade, Stackle. Laughing

*snerk* ...heh... you said "fluffing it up..." albino

Each flake is so unique, some get shaggier and really wispy when fully broken apart, others stay somewhat chunky. It's just a matter of finding whatever works. The only real time I specifically use really chunky flake is when it is outside and windy--it stays in the bowl better and fights the incinerating process a little better. The idea is once it is lit, it stays lit--that's the idea anyway. Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:07 am

I just bought my first can of flake tobacco, Mccleland Blackwoods flake tobacco. At first I was like wtf is wrong with my tobacco, I am such a newb. Good thing a quick googling showed me that my tobacco is indeed okay. Going to try the fold and stuff method tomorrow.

Quick question, what is a flake tobacco pipe? Is it something that is perhaps a bit taller?
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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:52 am

You bought a good blend/mixture to start IMHO, some may disagree ( there's a lot of that here Razz ) . As for an "official Flake" pipe, there are as many theory's and ideas as to what that is as there are styles of pipes ! There are so many variables involved that one really could not factually say one style over another. i find the flakes that I smoke, smoke well in my bent bulldogs and pots. That's for ME. Try different styles and sizes as you learn how flake tobacco smokes till you find what is YOUR flake pipe. Take your time, relax and enjoy your tobacco Razz
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Kyle Weiss

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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:01 pm

Nice, Monbla, you're finally starting to take a friendly opinion point-of-view rather than "grandaddy knows best." Laughing Razz Razz Razz

...but, CLF, he speaks the truth. A flake pipe, to me, is a pipe that seems to deliver the smoke from your flake tobacco the best for you. There's a lot of hoopla about smaller pipes being good for flake, which in my experience is partially true, but a larger pipe can and will smoke flake just fine. From my vantage point, flake tobacco is dense and intense. The smaller bowl means the unsuspecting, distracted smoker won't get 3/4 the way through a bowl, suddenly stand up, and realize he's green with the nicotine shakes (or at least minimizes this possibility). The idea of a true "flake pipe," one-size-fits-all is total bollocks.

Fold-n-stuff methods for the tobacco throw my game off sometimes, I never got it right. I somehow always clogged my pipe. So, as stated months ago, I ball it up a bit in my palm, or "chunk-n-stuff," because certain darker flakes fall apart anyway (Dark Star, 2035).

Meh, good luck, find what works. Enjoy the ride. Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:33 pm

That's what happens when you become a Pepere Razz (familial Quibecois for grandad Razz ) But he has started out in his flake journey with a VERY good one !! I still smoke it occasionaly now and then Razz ( practicing my redundancy here ) In fact, I just finished a bowl of my current fave flake, Oxford Flake from Peretti's which IMHO, IS NOT a McC's blend/mixture but rather a distinctive tasting flake in itself Razz I'm getting to enjoy the smoother, less in your face taste of Va's more and more as I get older. Kinda like adding cream to your coffee as you get older!! You have a lot to look forward to Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Packing Flake   Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:47 pm

At the 2005 CORPS show in Richmond, Mark gave me a demonstration of his method. He folded the flake several times and rolled it between his palms a few seconds til it looked like a little ball of yarn. He then molded it to fit the pipe bowl and gently pushed it in.

For several years I used his method on most all flakes except the very tough ones (thick Kendal Cream flakes being one). I was surprised to find it even worked on Stonehaven.

Then by experimenting I found I could fold a flake, then twist it between my finger tips, molding it at the same time and achieve about the same results much quicker. My method also maximized the flake density better than Mark's method.

Jim



alfredo_buscatti wrote:


Mark Chambers from the Knox staff is directly responsible for how I pack flake. He said, "I fold up a flake and put it between the palms of my hands and fluff it up." He didn't give me more information, but his words stuck in my mind. It took me about 5 years to implement what he said.

So, say with a flake the size of University Flake,

I fold it in three and tear at the divisions.
I stack those three pieces of intact flake
I then tear them down the middle, top to bottom, following the grain of the flake
I then take each of the three divided halves of the flake between my palms, and rub
them back and forth
but stop just as the strands of the grain are loosened
After rubbing these stacked strands, all with the grain going in one direction, I place the
two rubbed out bundles of strands together and fit them into the bowl.

With this preparation I maximize both the density of the flake and the property of combustibility of tobacco strands that have been loosened.
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