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Kyle Weiss

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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:20 am

You guys are too much. Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:32 am

"monitor glaring off their scalp"

I have all my hair, thank you. lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:46 am

Kyle Weiss wrote:
That's sort of been the whole point all along, but I guess I didn't realize it had two sides until now. It's easy to get complacent in the face of the exact thing (which you're staring at along with me as I type this) that also may have a hand in the process of learning something.

Well, now the only thing that's as scary as the old men giving out their secrets is their typing skills. They might seem frightening, but if you only saw them hunched over their keyboards in a dark room, monitor glaring off their scalp, squinting at the keyboard, index fingers extended downward searching for and clacking individual letters, pipe jutting from a corner or their mouth muttering "Just smoke the f**king pipe you impatient little sh*t..." Laughing ...poor guys. Cool May we all learn from you, and may we all become you.

Eff you Kyle. Your going to get bald too!
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:53 am

puros_bran wrote:
Eff you Kyle. Your going to get bald too!

lol! lol! lol!

Somebody's gonna get Dead Fish in the mail, I can see it already... Twisted Evil



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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:08 pm

I am indeed going bald, and I'm also cantankerous and crotchety! cheers I really am subject to my own curse laid before me...

Kyle Weiss wrote:
May we all learn from you, and may we all become you.

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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:10 pm

The single most useful course I took in high school was Typing I with Miss Novak, even though at the time I was accused of looking for an EZ A, which was true, but who'd have guessed how it would turn out

It's interesting how the Internet has altered the rules of discourse. I detect a trend that tolerates views that are fairly nutso, but is less tolerant of opinions that are stated dogmatically. Yr 'umble servant recently had his posting privileges revoked on a well-known automotive site where the accepted mantra is "Cars are definitely NOT mere appliances." But yours truly is a great fan of utility, likes dependability, three-box designs and the ability to muscle througth NE weather. I don't see the point of electronic gadgetry installed as solutions to basic design flaws (backup cams, for example). So my mantra is more like, "cars are definitely machines, and the better they fulfill my need, the more I like 'em. I have no neet to attract admiring glances from passersby, which is demonstrated, I'd say, by my affection for pipe smoking."

It wasn't that I attacked anyone or was snotty in stating my POV. They just thought it ran counter to the board's general notions, I guess. Well, no matter. Young fellas can be cranky, too.

When I started this post, I thought it had something to do with the thread, but now I might be just free associating . . . Which means it's time to take the missus to lunch.
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:19 pm

Wait...this thread is about cars and internet discourse? I thought it was about sex and Tiamat. My bad...
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:23 pm

Sex with Tiamat in the back of a perfectly tuned, all-original '55 Chevy pickup (with a few dents and rust spots, of course) on a summer's night. Or a randomly winter night in July, as Tiamat likes stiff nipples. Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:31 pm

Shocked ...And you think it's entrenched dogma that scares off the new guys? It's you, Kyle. Now that I've got that picture in my head, I can't un-see it. Ever.
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:33 pm

Apparently I need to quit the forum in a huff again. That's twice this week. Heartless goobs.
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:38 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
Sex with Tiamat in the back of a perfectly tuned, all-original '55 Chevy pickup (with a few dents and rust spots, of course) on a summer's night. Or a randomly winter night in July, as Tiamat likes stiff nipples. Cool

All I can say is 'Wow, what a post!'

I'd have never thought of it that way. Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:13 am

Don't encourage him, Rob. I still can't sleep!
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:56 am

I laughed reading this thread. Laughing

The old days were so much different than today. I think you're mildly complaining / teasing about a bunch of fanatics (or hobbyists) sharing their fascination. And the amount of info might be a little overwhelming. And there are myths that refuse to die too. But what do you expect?

In the old days there was precious little discussion nor information. No reviews nor pipe smoker comments on anything. Instead there were Socratic questions and mysteries. We'd run the gauntlet of old codgers who hung out in the local B&M. We probably made their day. They'd observe a young 'long hair' pleased as punch with a new freehand and ask "Why do you need a pipe shaped like a Kidney? Huh, tell me that?" Those of us that were reasonably articulate would explain that classic shapes were smoked by Nixon and his ilk who were an anathema to an entire generation and who wanted to be mistaken for them? That would usually provoke a political flame war so we weren't exactly welcome in most B&M's with codgers.

Or we'd ask about the contents of a mysterious tin and be told that "It's some modern froo froo that no real pipe smoker would touch." So of course we'd ask what do real pipe smokers smoke? And the response depended upon the codger but it was usually something that drooled tar like Condor or a Twist or it was an American Burley mix. They'd serially smoke their tar monsters and harass the young long hairs like a sport. If one wanted info you had to ask your father or grandfather who was also a pipe smoker. They knew about pipes but had a peculiarly one dimensional view of tobacco that usually amounted to knowledge about their blend and that was it.

There was no tobacco reviews and it was a time of questions. So we tried tins and it was often surprising. They were nothing like the descriptions. Of course you have realize that things you take for granted, eg a basic understanding of tobacco categories, was mostly missing info. We learned by experience or sometimes a knowledgeable tobacconist would explain the basics. But it took years to learn things that most new to forums learn within a few weeks.

The other very significant difference is that we saw other pipe smokers every day so simple obvious things, like packing and relighting, were things we observed. Today it's comparatively rare to see another pipe smoker (unless you belong to a club or you can smoke in your B&M) so some misunderstandings develop that never really had a chance to germinate in the past. The whole issue of relighting is a topic among newer pipe smokers who simply lack visual models ie other experienced pipe smokers. But other than these sorts of things you learn a lot more much faster than we did.


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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:25 pm

Rusty, maybe a little teasing, but not complaining. Just observations. If one puts too much stock into what happens on the Internet they either become part of the problem or they simply go mad. Since I'm already more screwy than a pool full of light bulbs, I'll just mention you did a great job adding an experienced view to what I was already pretty much saying. Laughing

The long-hair visiting the B&M and baiting the old farts isn't too dissimilar to what happens here--we just hang out on computers. Cool The difference is, the old farts are now the formerly long-hair kids, and know a thing or two about baiting themselves. I figure that since the fathers and grandfathers aren't around to turn to when the tight-jeaned, crazy-print jacketed brats of today want to learn to smoke pipes, we might step off the pedestal now and again for their sake.

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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:23 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
I think that's why I like this hobby. It begs for thoughtful people. They're an eclectic bunch. It's social but antisocial. It's a weird balance of simplicity and complexity, which seems to go either direction at any given moment, especially when new. Every day can yield a new experience.

I like those sentiments: Keep on smoking, have patience, be flexible.

For several days I have had this forum thread open in a window, waiting for a little time to read it. Yes, it is wordy, but having been hanging around here for a while, and it being an interesting topic, I give Kyle the benefit of the doubt. Suspect

So, finally, after an involved and busy week I find not just that I have enjoyed the topic (and the many great responses Cool ) but an urge to contribute.

You see, I have only been smoking a pipe since Guy Fox Night 2011. (Nov. 5th for the possibly one person here who does not know). I my find cigs to be a blight on humanity, have a perhaps unreasonable hatred of other drugs, and yet have always been somewhat enamored of the pipe. An uncle shared a cigar with me on occasion and I learned to appreciate them. Still do. But it is the pipe to which I am drawn (just forked out the most $$ yet for a new pipe) and enjoy.

Now, I give you that last paragraph to say that the reason I did not pick up the pipe earlier was my understanding of the difficulty. Always I had heard, in part from my father who's own father (dead long before I was born) was an occasional pipe smoker, that piping is hard. Hard to stay lit, steep learning curve, burns your mouth until you get used to it, etc., etc. Enter Dreadgerbil, the two of us had established a friendship early in the year, and he invited me to his Guy Fox Night party where I complimented his pipe, and relayed that I always wanted to try and the reason why not. Well, he kindly offered me a pipe, I accepted and have never looked back. What made it easy, was his telling me that smoking a pipe is like smoking a cigar. You taste the smoke and you go slow and steady. Just a few simple words, then he offered me a packed pipe and a lighter.

I quoted what Kyle said at the top of this post because it reflects several things that I really enjoy about this hobby and is reflected in this forum. A nice hobby, both simple and complex, for people who think deeply and who (usually) share carefully. There is sometimes as much said with silence as with words. A rare thing in this world. Like Kyle, and being someone who does genuinely suffer OCD, I approach everything with a degree of order and with the compulsive need to know and understand as much as possible. In another thread with Kyle I mentioned the return to doing what worked, I had let my OCD get the better of me (something I am always working against) and had to force myself to take an easier approach with my packing. What I have learned here, and from Dreadgerbil has given me a lot of data point with which to build my information framework. I continue to learn, to enjoy and because of that am able to improve. For instance, last night I used a pipe I have not for several weeks, because it always gurgles, even with the very dry tobacco I smoked in it this last time. However this time, I was able to identify why and will, with a file, be able to correct the issue in the stem.

There is a lot of information, not all of it relevant, not all of it good, and certainly in no short supply. Thankfully, we have a place like this one, and are reminded every now and again to step back and see the forest with the trees.

Oy, apparently Kyle is not the only one who can write on a bit much. Rolling Eyes Something of a stream of consciousness, but, at least, mostly on topic. Now, back to it. Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:51 pm

I know, I know... there's something about forum posts being short and sweet, to-the-point and being easily readable. There's one problem: that's usually not what I do. I'm a writer.

Quick simple wisdom--after 15 people post just that in a row, I fail to see the difference: you still gotta read stuff. Others can throw criticism toward long-winded dreck, and they can toss off. Laughing There's plenty of posts and plenty of posters, and that's one of the great things about BoB. Find your conversation and join in. Wanna wax poetic? Rattle off six paragraphs of thoughtful nonsense? Come find me. Cool We're a diverse bunch, eh? I'm certainly not going to change.

In any case, I posted in another thread about Random Compulsive Disorder. Yeah, I made it up. I'm not obsessive about anything. Focused, complete, infatuated at times, but OCD seems to imply the person is a slave to some ritual that if they don't perform, they will incur bad luck, or have something terrible befall them. Sometimes I use the macro lens, other times the wide-angle, but I prefer a level of competence and completeness in my studies and thoughts. Honestly, BoB has about 1% of the crap I rattle out in notebooks, word documents and other forums/places. It's just what I do, helps keep me marginally sane. Laughing I'm my own therapist, and I'm as crazy as I want to be, as long as I'm happy.

We are a thoughtful people, pipe smokers at large. A simple piece of material with two holes with tobacco smoke coming out is and has been the fascination of some brilliant people, and takes on limitless form and function. They can complexify the damn thing to death, or they can sit and let it do its job. Somewhere in the middle is unique state of wisdom, sharing, honor and fulfillment that can be the journey, or the destination--whatever they require.

That amazes me on a personal level every single day. Cool

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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:51 pm

I have no problem with long posts. None what so ever. That is, so long as they are readable and make sense. Even if only within their own context. This you do admirably. Hopefully I did not give you an impression otherwise.

Similarly, that there is so much information available to us by way of the internet is very much a good thing. Sure, sometimes it requires a bit of patience and nack for compiling, but it is often enough better to have the resource than be left fending for yourself or weeding information of out of the sometimes less than willing at the B&M.

Also, side note (by no means a correction or meant to be taken as anything other than additional information) what you describe by way of OCD and the concern regarding something bad, x, happening if something, y, is not done, is most definitely a form of OCD, but like dyslexia, it comes in several clinically identifiable and recognized forms. Thankfully, in my mind at least, I suffer not from the superstitious variety rather the other life impeding variety. Everything in its place, everything relating to everything else correctly, everything clean, sometimes overwhelming social issues, etc. Which is another reason I like this forum. You guys have not once jumped on me for something (always a fear) and have allowed this personal social experiment to really succeed Very Happy . I enjoy this forum, and decided it was a safe place to try interacting with people in way that has few controls and try being a little less formal in my communication. (Even using emoticons which is something I have never done before.) So thank you all very much. I do mean that. Communicating like this even two years ago would have been purely theoretical. Meds help, so does pipe smoking.


And now I have shared something very personal on the internet... wow. My family, friends and doc will be pleased.
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:53 pm

See, it goes to show you I don't know a damn thing about compulsive disorders. I don't really compulsively do anything, and I'm probably going based on generic public definition. *shrug* Ask me about weird autism stuff, well, that's my own personal realm of expertise. Cool That, too, is a "spectrum" (sliding) scale, and I think about half of it is bullshit enabling psychologist-types to stay in business. Though that's another matter entirely. There's quirks and then there's debilitation.

WITH THAT...

...I'm done for now. Laughing

(Thanks for the compliment--I try and organize my insanity in such a way that it's as linear in my own mind as it is to the reader, but warranty on their own sanity is not expressed or implied... Razz )
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:18 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
That, too, is a "spectrum" (sliding) scale, and I think about half of it is bullshit enabling psychologist-types to stay in business. Though that's another matter entirely. There's quirks and then there's debilitation.

Agreed. Having experience that way with a family member. One does the best one can. Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:34 pm

kieveryuu wrote:
I have no problem with long posts.

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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:54 am

So I should start bitching about short posts more often, as it'll do a lot of good, right? Noted. Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:55 am

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So I should start bitching about short posts more often, as it'll do a lot of good, right? Noted. Cool

Hey, Kyle, bulk up your skinny-ass posts a little, dung-head, no one really knows what you're talking about. Are you mad? Are you kidding? Are you making a swell point with notes of subtlety? Get with it, loser. Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:43 pm

lol!

This is part of what makes BoB so enjoyable.
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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:33 pm

Rob_In_MO wrote:
lol!

This is part of what makes BoB so enjoyable.

Heh, unless you count all of my hate PMs. Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Thoughts regarding newbs, old stagers, and pesky rules...   Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:40 am

Trying to break with long post Kyle? New avatar, shorter posts... that sort of thing? Suspect

Nice mustache. Cool
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