Latakia Powerhouse Wanted?

Subject: Re: Latakia Powerhouse Wanted? Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:45 pm

PipeCulture wrote:

Thanks. I haven't tried any of the Esoterica blends besides Penzance. The Margate sounds good so I'll add that to the next order list. I've not tried the Abingdon either. Odyssey on the other hand is one of several of my favorite GLP blends but I don't find the latakia to be as prominent as I do in the Northwoods.

Give eso's And So To Bed... a try, too. A healthy dose of Lat as well.

Question to the op: what are you trying to achieve with "more lat?" Most basic descriptors of what latakia ads to the blend is a smokiness (my first thought upon hearing this: smokier smoke? i dont get it) and most people refer to it as a "condiment leaf." You can eat a ketchup sandwich if you like, but you might find you are chasing the MEAT. Not a criticism, but just a question meant to invoke conversation: could you be in search of a different quality?

Subject: Re: Latakia Powerhouse Wanted? Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:48 pm

pipeman1947 wrote:

The strongest one available on the UK market is Dunhill Nightcap.I can smoke SG Balkan Flake all day but only 1 pipe of Nightcap.Pipeman1947 P )

Just saw a Youtube review done by a guy from Ga. He couldn't say enough great things about it. He did however, caution viewers to eat a hearty meal in advance of smoking a small bowl.

Here's to hoping smokingpipes.com has tins available.

Thanks,
- M

Subject: Re: Latakia Powerhouse Wanted? Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:52 pm

PipeCulture wrote:

jj1015 wrote:

Northwoods is one of my faves, but Odyssey IS my favorite and has been for many years now.

I don't find it as one-dimensional as others, although it is certainly a latakia powerhouse of the first order. I actually get a nice bit of complexity from it, plus a hint of sweetness. But the main note is latakia, and it is a very robust mixture. So I would definitely put this at the top of your list!

Thanks. Already have a tin here at home, actually. While it's one of my favorite Pease blends I don't find it quite as Latakia-forward as Northwoods---which is odd considering the GLP pipedia.org page lists Odyssey as one of their fuller blends.

I've tried McConnell's Latakia Flake which is definitely a fuller bodied lat bomb. Unfortunately, I found it lacked the "meaty" (literally) appeal found in most of GLPs English blends. I've got C&D's Pirate Kake and Capt. Earles Ten Russians here are as well and while both are lat bombs I got to them once for every five times I go for a Pease blend.

Now, since you mentioned GLP, I have a tin of Westminster that I'm just dying to open. I keep trying various GLP blends---those which are described as having generous portions of latakia--- hoping that one of them is the creamy, lat powerhouse that I've been looking for. I keep looking at the Westminster and wondering. Maybe I'll stop wondering and try it out tonight before bed.

Wow! I find Odyssey to have far, far more latakia than Northwoods! Just goes to show that we all taste everything differently. On that note, though, there is something unusual about Northwoods' flavor, something that adds a bit more spice and smoky flavor/aroma to it. But I don't think that's the lat -- I think there are some orientals, or perhaps even some type of flavoring, that gives it that unique punch. Just IMO, though! Smile

If you've got Pirate Kake, Ten Russians and Odyssey... well, I hate to say it, but I doubt that anything on the market will have more of a latakia punch than what you have already. You might try C&Ds Da Vinci, or perhaps try to mix your own blend, but other than that you've pretty much hit the ceiling, I think. Good luck on the Westminster, and let us know what you think of it. Westminster has significantly less latakia than Odyssey, but based on what you're saying I'm not at all sure that more latakia is what you're really looking for. Latakia, believe it or not, is a fairly mild tobacco -- not much nicotine, and it's nowhere near as strong a condimental as, say, perique. What usually adds "power" is the other tobaccos in the mix, and I would suspect if you want something "creamy" than you need some orientals or even cavendish. Also, Kentucky is a very "smoky" flavored tobacco, and I find it's useful when I want to add a nice kick to a lat mixture.

Larry's Blend might give you the "creamy" flavor you're looking for, but I'd also reckon it a full order of magnitude less full than the other blends we've mentioned. Magnum Opus is delicious, but it's far from being a latakia powerhouse -- it's more of an oriental blend than a traditional Balkan. They are both absolutely top-notch blends.

Subject: Re: Latakia Powerhouse Wanted? Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:41 pm

PipeCulture wrote:

SteveHorsfall wrote:

The strongest I know is Sam Gawith's 'Commonwealth Mixture'.

YES! YES! YES!!! I knew there was one out there I'd forgotten about. Thank you!!!
- M

My pleasure! Very Happy

Subject: Re: Latakia Powerhouse Wanted? Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:51 am

I know of a couple blends which I believe are 70% latakia, and that's the largest concentration I think I've seen in a blend:

- C&D Pirate Kake

- Park Lane PL-11-12

Subject: Re: Latakia Powerhouse Wanted? Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:19 am

I've smoked all the lat bombs and if you like Latakia like I do they are all great. I'll bet pig turd with latakia would even be go-to smoke. The key with latakia is to build a flavor tolerance. If you hit the hard stuff before you're taste buds are up to the punch it'll turn you off. Once you get the hang of the stuff it is sheer heaven in a bowl. Only problem is your guests will be checking out early. So think of it as a solitary man's pleasure. Your girlfriend or your wife won't appreciate your tuck in kiss for sure. lol!

Subject: Re: Latakia Powerhouse Wanted? Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:01 am

jj1015 wrote:

PipeCulture wrote:

jj1015 wrote:

Northwoods is one of my faves, but Odyssey IS my favorite and has been for many years now.

I don't find it as one-dimensional as others, although it is certainly a latakia powerhouse of the first order. I actually get a nice bit of complexity from it, plus a hint of sweetness. But the main note is latakia, and it is a very robust mixture. So I would definitely put this at the top of your list!

Thanks. Already have a tin here at home, actually. While it's one of my favorite Pease blends I don't find it quite as Latakia-forward as Northwoods---which is odd considering the GLP pipedia.org page lists Odyssey as one of their fuller blends.

I've tried McConnell's Latakia Flake which is definitely a fuller bodied lat bomb. Unfortunately, I found it lacked the "meaty" (literally) appeal found in most of GLPs English blends. I've got C&D's Pirate Kake and Capt. Earles Ten Russians here are as well and while both are lat bombs I got to them once for every five times I go for a Pease blend.

Now, since you mentioned GLP, I have a tin of Westminster that I'm just dying to open. I keep trying various GLP blends---those which are described as having generous portions of latakia--- hoping that one of them is the creamy, lat powerhouse that I've been looking for. I keep looking at the Westminster and wondering. Maybe I'll stop wondering and try it out tonight before bed.

Wow! I find Odyssey to have far, far more latakia than Northwoods! Just goes to show that we all taste everything differently. On that note, though, there is something unusual about Northwoods' flavor, something that adds a bit more spice and smoky flavor/aroma to it. But I don't think that's the lat -- I think there are some orientals, or perhaps even some type of flavoring, that gives it that unique punch. Just IMO, though! Smile

If you've got Pirate Kake, Ten Russians and Odyssey... well, I hate to say it, but I doubt that anything on the market will have more of a latakia punch than what you have already. You might try C&Ds Da Vinci, or perhaps try to mix your own blend, but other than that you've pretty much hit the ceiling, I think. Good luck on the Westminster, and let us know what you think of it. Westminster has significantly less latakia than Odyssey, but based on what you're saying I'm not at all sure that more latakia is what you're really looking for. Latakia, believe it or not, is a fairly mild tobacco -- not much nicotine, and it's nowhere near as strong a condimental as, say, perique. What usually adds "power" is the other tobaccos in the mix, and I would suspect if you want something "creamy" than you need some orientals or even cavendish. Also, Kentucky is a very "smoky" flavored tobacco, and I find it's useful when I want to add a nice kick to a lat mixture.

Larry's Blend might give you the "creamy" flavor you're looking for, but I'd also reckon it a full order of magnitude less full than the other blends we've mentioned. Magnum Opus is delicious, but it's far from being a latakia powerhouse -- it's more of an oriental blend than a traditional Balkan. They are both absolutely top-notch blends.

First of all, I agree that Odyssey has much much more Latakia in it than Northwoods. Northwoods at best IMO, would be classified as a quasi-English blend due to the fact that there IS some sort of topping added and I suspect that the black cavendish they use in Northwoods is probably what has been cased or topped with something or another. This is not to take away from Northwoods at all, as I have enjoyed several ounces of it in the past, but this is merely my opinion on the Latakia content and the flavoring.

Secondly, I disagree about Larry's Blend not being a "Latakia powerhouse". From talking to Russ Oulette at Newark, I gather that Larry's Blend has at least 50% Latakia. I also suspect that if this is not the case, the Smyrna leaf used tends to give the false impression that there is actually more Latakia in the blend than there actually is. Greg Pease has talked about this several times, how Orientals can actually work in tandem with Latakia to give the blend a false impression of having higher Latakia content than it really does. At any rate, having smoked C&D Star of the East Flake, Nightcap, Commonwealth, and several other Latakia heavyweight blends, I would definitely put Larry's Blend in the same category.

-Scott

Subject: Re: Latakia Powerhouse Wanted? Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:04 am

I have just remembered Sir William which I bought in the Hajenhuis tobacconists in Amsterdam Holland,it had a high latakia content.Unforunately you cannot seem to get it outside of Holand.Pipeman1947 P )

Subject: Re: Latakia Powerhouse Wanted? Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:05 am

scottbtdmb wrote:

jj1015 wrote:

PipeCulture wrote:

jj1015 wrote:

Northwoods is one of my faves, but Odyssey IS my favorite and has been for many years now.

I don't find it as one-dimensional as others, although it is certainly a latakia powerhouse of the first order. I actually get a nice bit of complexity from it, plus a hint of sweetness. But the main note is latakia, and it is a very robust mixture. So I would definitely put this at the top of your list!

Thanks. Already have a tin here at home, actually. While it's one of my favorite Pease blends I don't find it quite as Latakia-forward as Northwoods---which is odd considering the GLP pipedia.org page lists Odyssey as one of their fuller blends.

I've tried McConnell's Latakia Flake which is definitely a fuller bodied lat bomb. Unfortunately, I found it lacked the "meaty" (literally) appeal found in most of GLPs English blends. I've got C&D's Pirate Kake and Capt. Earles Ten Russians here are as well and while both are lat bombs I got to them once for every five times I go for a Pease blend.

Now, since you mentioned GLP, I have a tin of Westminster that I'm just dying to open. I keep trying various GLP blends---those which are described as having generous portions of latakia--- hoping that one of them is the creamy, lat powerhouse that I've been looking for. I keep looking at the Westminster and wondering. Maybe I'll stop wondering and try it out tonight before bed.

Wow! I find Odyssey to have far, far more latakia than Northwoods! Just goes to show that we all taste everything differently. On that note, though, there is something unusual about Northwoods' flavor, something that adds a bit more spice and smoky flavor/aroma to it. But I don't think that's the lat -- I think there are some orientals, or perhaps even some type of flavoring, that gives it that unique punch. Just IMO, though! Smile

If you've got Pirate Kake, Ten Russians and Odyssey... well, I hate to say it, but I doubt that anything on the market will have more of a latakia punch than what you have already. You might try C&Ds Da Vinci, or perhaps try to mix your own blend, but other than that you've pretty much hit the ceiling, I think. Good luck on the Westminster, and let us know what you think of it. Westminster has significantly less latakia than Odyssey, but based on what you're saying I'm not at all sure that more latakia is what you're really looking for. Latakia, believe it or not, is a fairly mild tobacco -- not much nicotine, and it's nowhere near as strong a condimental as, say, perique. What usually adds "power" is the other tobaccos in the mix, and I would suspect if you want something "creamy" than you need some orientals or even cavendish. Also, Kentucky is a very "smoky" flavored tobacco, and I find it's useful when I want to add a nice kick to a lat mixture.

Larry's Blend might give you the "creamy" flavor you're looking for, but I'd also reckon it a full order of magnitude less full than the other blends we've mentioned. Magnum Opus is delicious, but it's far from being a latakia powerhouse -- it's more of an oriental blend than a traditional Balkan. They are both absolutely top-notch blends.

First of all, I agree that Odyssey has much much more Latakia in it than Northwoods. Northwoods at best IMO, would be classified as a quasi-English blend due to the fact that there IS some sort of topping added and I suspect that the black cavendish they use in Northwoods is probably what has been cased or topped with something or another. This is not to take away from Northwoods at all, as I have enjoyed several ounces of it in the past, but this is merely my opinion on the Latakia content and the flavoring.

Secondly, I disagree about Larry's Blend not being a "Latakia powerhouse". From talking to Russ Oulette at Newark, I gather that Larry's Blend has at least 50% Latakia. I also suspect that if this is not the case, the Smyrna leaf used tends to give the false impression that there is actually more Latakia in the blend than there actually is. Greg Pease has talked about this several times, how Orientals can actually work in tandem with Latakia to give the blend a false impression of having higher Latakia content than it really does. At any rate, having smoked C&D Star of the East Flake, Nightcap, Commonwealth, and several other Latakia heavyweight blends, I would definitely put Larry's Blend in the same category.

-Scott

Again - that just goes to show how we each taste things differently! I've smoked several pounds of Larry's Blend (for a long time it was my go-to daily smoke) and I never considered it to be a lat-bomb in the sense that Odyssey is. It's a lot more complex, and the latakia never reached the point where it tasted like I just licked a campfire. The latakia is definitely prominent in Larry's Blend, but I just don't put it in the same category as Pirate Kake, Odyssey, etc. Just my opinion, though!

Your point about the interaction with the orientals is kind of what I was driving at above -- I think that the choice of orientals and Vas tend to be what drives the "fullness" of a blend. It's why Odyssey and Larry's Blend -- to me at least -- both have "fuller" profiles than, say, Pirate Kake. It's always a mistake to focus on one component of a blend, as it's nearly always the synergy of tobaccos that makes the final product memorable.

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I've got a surprise for you- Larry's Blend is 67% Latakia by weight, but the Smyrna is so buttery that it seems to tame down the Lat a bit. Our new Marquee Series Cerberus is 70% Latakia and has a little more kick because of the different Orientals plus a touch or dark-fired Kentucky.

Russ

Subject: Re: Latakia Powerhouse Wanted? Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:12 am

Though not a Powerhouse, Dunhill 965 isn't too bad either.

Subject: Re: Latakia Powerhouse Wanted? Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:33 am

blendtobac wrote:

I've got a surprise for you- Larry's Blend is 67% Latakia by weight, but the Smyrna is so buttery that it seems to tame down the Lat a bit. Our new Marquee Series Cerberus is 70% Latakia and has a little more kick because of the different Orientals plus a touch or dark-fired Kentucky.

Russ

I am a little surprised to hear that, but not so much, because it does make sense. The Smyrna definitely has another character to it that it tones the Latakia down to the point that if someone didn't know any better, they may indeed have guessed that it was in the ballpark of something lower like 40-50%. I also see the point you make with your Cerberus blend, where the Kentucky acts as a sponge of sort to really amp up the Latakia and Orientals, not to mention that is adds the nicotine strength to the bowl as well. I am really interested to re-visit Pipeworks&Wilke's #400 whenever I decide to get some again. It has been a few years since I have smoked it, but I remember #400 having a LOT of power to it from the Kentucky and Perique that were added onto the Lat/Yenidje/Va combo. If I am not mistaken, #400 is actually Wilke's #524 with KY and Perique added. I remember it being a fine smoke and probably the best usage of condiment tobaccos that I ever witnessed between the Yenidje, Kentucky, and Perique. Gotta place an order sometime soon!!!

-Scott

P.S. Has anyone ordered from Wilke (Carole) lately? I know she is recovering from surgery and said that she is only back part-time, so I am wondering what the turn around is right now on orders? Aside from that, I would almost hate to bother her right now while she has more important things to worry about than blending tobaccos

Subject: Re: Latakia Powerhouse Wanted? Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:41 am

blendtobac wrote:

I've got a surprise for you- Larry's Blend is 67% Latakia by weight, but the Smyrna is so buttery that it seems to tame down the Lat a bit. Our new Marquee Series Cerberus is 70% Latakia and has a little more kick because of the different Orientals plus a touch or dark-fired Kentucky.

Russ

Russ,
WOW! I would never, in a million years, have guessed that the lat content was higher than 40 t0 45 percent (and I blend a lot on my own). As has been said many times already, it's the synergy of the components that counts. I might need to order some smyrna to blend with -- do you all sell it? Very Happy

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Subject: Re: Latakia Powerhouse Wanted? Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:34 am

jj1015 wrote:

blendtobac wrote:

I've got a surprise for you- Larry's Blend is 67% Latakia by weight, but the Smyrna is so buttery that it seems to tame down the Lat a bit. Our new Marquee Series Cerberus is 70% Latakia and has a little more kick because of the different Orientals plus a touch or dark-fired Kentucky.

Russ

Russ,
WOW! I would never, in a million years, have guessed that the lat content was higher than 40 t0 45 percent (and I blend a lot on my own). As has been said many times already, it's the synergy of the components that counts. I might need to order some smyrna to blend with -- do you all sell it? Very Happy

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"Russ" as in H&H's Russ O? If so, thanks for chiming in here. Where (outside of Albany) can I get the Marquee Series Cerberus (as well as the Larry's Blend)? Though more appropriate for a different thread, I'm dying to try the Marquee Magnum Opus as well.

Thanks,
-- M

Subject: Re: Latakia Powerhouse Wanted? Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:35 am

Rob_In_MO wrote:

Though not a Powerhouse, Dunhill 965 isn't too bad either.

Ergo, I should probably try the 965 before the Nightcap?

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