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PostSubject: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Mon May 28, 2012 9:46 am

Would someone, anyone, please be kind enough to explain to me why someone would use the phrase, "The taste and flavor of this tobacco is....."
Isn't taste and flavor, when both are used as nouns, the same thing?
Isn't the taste of an apple the same thing as the flavor of an apple?

I've also heard people say things like, "...the odor and aroma of a rose...".

Why? What's the difference? WTF am I missing?
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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Mon May 28, 2012 10:03 am

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I don't believe you are missing anything!!! You are correct in my opinion, they are just repeating themselves trying to be a bit more descriptive. I'm far from being an English scholar but I'm sure others will post on this as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Mon May 28, 2012 10:09 am

Your Perception and cognition is true and correct Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Mon May 28, 2012 10:21 am

I would agree you are generally correct; in usage, however, I would say they are actually used slightly differently --

That tastes like an apple vs That is apple-flavored

or

That apple tastes good vs That apple is flavorful

i.e. verb vs adjective, but when both are used as nouns, the taste is your perception, the flavor is a property of the object, but I would agree there is no reason to use both as in your example.

H'mm, I shouldn't have answered this from my office -- too pedantic. I just stopped in to exchange pipes. . . .
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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Mon May 28, 2012 11:07 am

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Your Perception and cognition is true and correct Smile
lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Mon May 28, 2012 11:35 am

"Taste" being used as anything other than a verb is a bit awkward (but became perfectly acceptable at some point in history), and you can't really say "...I can't wait to flavor this tobacco..." when you use its counterpart in the same manner.

Thanks, English, for being so straightforward. Rolling Eyes Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Mon May 28, 2012 12:25 pm

PuffDaddy is both right and correct.
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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Mon May 28, 2012 1:38 pm

Also, if you see those two words used that way, it'll soon be followed by a misused apostrophe. Or several.

The taste and flavor of Latakia's and Oriental's is really strong. Evil or Very Mad

lol! lol! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Mon May 28, 2012 1:43 pm

MisterE wrote:
Also, if you see those two words used that way, it'll soon be followed by a misused apostrophe. Or several.

Errant apostrophes irk me. Especially on business signs or advertisements.

"Puppy's For Sale" -- "Kyle Weiss'es's Tobacco's Inc." Razz

The only time I use 'em wrong is when I'm usin' 'em to indicate "flavor." (or would that be "flava'"?) Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Mon May 28, 2012 1:53 pm

williamcharles wrote:
Would someone, anyone, please be kind enough to explain to me why someone would use the phrase, "The taste and flavor of this tobacco is....."
Isn't taste and flavor, when both are used as nouns, the same thing?
Isn't the taste of an apple the same thing as the flavor of an apple?

I've also heard people say things like, "...the odor and aroma of a rose...".

Why? What's the difference? WTF am I missing?


Actually, I think what they’re trying to describe is the taste of the tobacco versus the flavor of the toppings or casings. For example, Mac Baren 7 Seas Red has a solid taste of Virginias and Black Cavendish with the added flavor of Wild Cherries.
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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Mon May 28, 2012 1:58 pm

Dis cherries jubilee be smackin' me wit taste n' flava, yo! Laughing Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Mon May 28, 2012 2:03 pm

MisterE wrote:
Dis cherries jubilee be smackin' me wit taste n' flava, yo! Laughing Laughing

W3RD! cheers

By that I mean, gross. Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Mon May 28, 2012 4:03 pm

"There is no such thing as a synonym" - Tom Robbins (and others)

"The meaning of a word is its use in the language" - Ludwig Wittgenstein
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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Mon May 28, 2012 5:05 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
(or would that be "flava'"?) Laughing

Flavor flav?
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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Tue May 29, 2012 3:38 am

They may be using 'taste' to describe the initial hit, and flavour to describe the lingering sensation.

Out of context it is difficult to decide exactly what was intended. The use of both words together may indeed be superfluous.
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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Tue May 29, 2012 9:28 am

williamcharles wrote:
Would someone, anyone, please be kind enough to explain to me why someone would use the phrase, "The taste and flavor of this tobacco is....."
Isn't taste and flavor, when both are used as nouns, the same thing?
Isn't the taste of an apple the same thing as the flavor of an apple?

I've also heard people say things like, "...the odor and aroma of a rose...".

Why? What's the difference? WTF am I missing?

williamcharles, most people confuse taste with flavor. Taste is a chemical sense perceived by specialized receptor cells that make up taste buds. Flavor is a fusion of multiple senses. To perceive flavor, the ­brain interprets not only gustatory (taste) stimuli, but also olfactory (smell) stimuli and tactile and thermal sensations. With spicy food, the brain will even factor in pain as one aspect of flavor.

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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Tue May 29, 2012 10:24 am

My take on the second unanswered question: odor vs. aroma is.....

odor is a negative smell sensation and aroma is a positive one.

The odor of underarm persperation vs. the aroma of cologne.
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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Tue May 29, 2012 12:41 pm

LIPIPE wrote:
My take on the second unanswered question: odor vs. aroma is.....

odor is a negative smell sensation and aroma is a positive one.

The odor of underarm persperation vs. the aroma of cologne.

That all makes sense. That must be why we have aromatic, not odormatic, tobaccos.
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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Tue May 29, 2012 12:43 pm

Buckshot wrote:
LIPIPE wrote:
My take on the second unanswered question: odor vs. aroma is.....

odor is a negative smell sensation and aroma is a positive one.

The odor of underarm persperation vs. the aroma of cologne.

That all makes sense. That must be why we have aromatic, not odormatic, tobaccos.

Stankomatic = Lakeland. cheers Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Tue May 29, 2012 12:49 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
Stankomatic = Lakeland. cheers Laughing

Cool


Aromatic = Boswell's Best. cheers Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Tue May 29, 2012 12:53 pm

Robomatic - Mixture 79
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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Tue May 29, 2012 12:55 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
Robomatic - Mixture 79

Floor Sweepings and Rat Droppings = Mixture #79 affraid
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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Tue May 29, 2012 12:56 pm

They have a huge tub of that stuff at my Tinder Box, Rob, and I have to hold back the guffaws. Laughing I imagine what a pallet of that stuff would look like in front of your place. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Tue May 29, 2012 12:57 pm

Kyleomatic--a post based upon Kyle trying a new tobacco blend. Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Taste AND flavor. WTF!!!!   Tue May 29, 2012 12:59 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
They have a huge tub of that stuff at my Tinder Box, Rob, and I have to hold back the guffaws. Laughing I imagine what a pallet of that stuff would look like in front of your place. Razz

Brother - I tried it once - years ago - and threw the pouch in the trash can. I didn't even finish the bowl...

That has to be the only tobacco i've ever tried that I absolutely DID NOT LIKE.
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