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Kyle Weiss

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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Wed May 30, 2012 1:17 pm

Speaking of double-chamber pipes...

http://www.qualitybriar.com/2012/05/jonas-rosengren-a-swedish-prodigy/

Calabash-neuveau, anyone?



They look super cool, and I've never smoked a calabash. Apparently folks like 'em if they're sellin' like hotcakes. Or it's just the "new toy on the market" thing. Who knows.

Anyone?

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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Wed May 30, 2012 8:52 pm

I figured you'd assume I was addressing you.

I wasn't. Very Happy

When a guy like Craig Wolfley retires after 10 or so years of playing offensive line for the Steelers & does blog posts on the Steelers in general and their offensive line play in particular, people take him seriously because he knows what the f**% he's talking about. As opposed to fifty million babbleheads on discussion boards. Every one of whom has some opinion. The sum of which is the "garbage out" end of "garbage in . . ."

Some things just are true.

Go smoke some more Embarcadero Cool

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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Wed May 30, 2012 10:14 pm

Hermit wrote:
I am really drawn to the pregnant guppy.
That is an awesome shape. Period. I'd like a pipe shaped like that even if it wasn't hollowed out for a second chamber. As I've said elsewhere, the really bulbous, blown glass-like shapes are really, really neat.
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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Wed May 30, 2012 10:46 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
Speaking of double-chamber pipes...

http://www.qualitybriar.com/2012/05/jonas-rosengren-a-swedish-prodigy/

Calabash-neuveau, anyone?



They look super cool, and I've never smoked a calabash. Apparently folks like 'em if they're sellin' like hotcakes. Or it's just the "new toy on the market" thing. Who knows.

Anyone?

Cool

Got to see those at the Chicago show. Very cool shapes and very creative way to make a calabash. If I'd had cash to burn, I'd own one of them!
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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Wed May 30, 2012 11:05 pm

Yak wrote:
I figured you'd assume I was addressing you.

I wasn't. Very Happy

When a guy like Craig Wolfley retires after 10 or so years of playing offensive line for the Steelers & does blog posts on the Steelers in general and their offensive line play in particular, people take him seriously because he knows what the f**% he's talking about. As opposed to fifty million babbleheads on discussion boards. Every one of whom has some opinion. The sum of which is the "garbage out" end of "garbage in . . ."

Some things just are true.

Go smoke some more Embarcadero Cool

What a Face

I get ya, Brother. I was just clarifying a few things, only the last line was really for you. Laughing I had to find a way to get things back on track again. Sorry if you were the scapegoat. One of these days we'll tune in our mind-reading devices.

Embarcadero it shall be tonight. cheers I have an early morning meeting, so I better get an evening smoke in since my morning will likely be taken up with work.
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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Wed May 30, 2012 11:05 pm

UberHuberMan wrote:


Got to see those at the Chicago show. Very cool shapes and very creative way to make a calabash. If I'd had cash to burn, I'd own one of them!

I'm disappointed you didn't get one for each of us. Twisted Evil Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Thu May 31, 2012 8:24 am

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When a guy like Craig Wolfley retires after 10 or so years of playing offensive line for the Steelers & does blog posts on the Steelers in general and their offensive line play in particular, people take him seriously because he knows what the f**% he's talking about. As opposed to fifty million babbleheads on discussion boards. Every one of whom has some opinion. The sum of which is the "garbage out" end of "garbage in . . ."

Some things just are true.
Cue Twilight Zone music. 'Cause this is deja vu. All over again. While I was writing that, Craig was writing this :

Craig Wolfley wrote:
The Steelers have finally moved Willie Colon to guard. After seven years in the league, i think Willie has been expecting this move for a while as it seems Willie and i have talked about a possible move to guard ever since he came to the Burgh.

I chatted up the “320lbs of educated Big Nasty” when he came to the Light of Life “Walk For the Homeless.” He was very enthusiastic about the move to guard and the prospects of lining up next to his good bud Maurkice Pouncey.

It was great, first of all having Willie on board as a special guest at the walk because unlike his on-field demeanor, he is very fan-friendly. Secondly, Willie has always held a special spot in my heart because he plays the game like it was meant to be played. Big Willie asks no quarter and gives no quarter.

Too, let it be known that i’ve always secretly rooted for the under-sized guys. The frustration that i used to feel from post-workout interviews with scouts in my senior year at Syracuse University after they would casually mention, ”If you were just an inch or two taller…”

But yes i do like the move, however deep down my gullet isn’t totally convinced that it’s a done deal.

Prior to back-to-back season ending injuries Colon was heading for Hawaii in my most humble opinion. Despite his lack of heigth and arm-length, Willie had learned to time his grappling-punch correctly and combined with excellent footwork, he’d position himself to use his low center of gravity to frustrate would-be sackers.

Willie was never a classic punch and move guy in the tradition of Larry Brown, Jon Kolb and Tunch Ilkin. Colon pass protected like a guard playing tackle. He used his quick feet on his kick-step (notice i said quick, not fast-there is a difference) to mirror and ultimately force a pass-rusher to come to him at a bad angle.

It’s kind’a like King Leonidas and his Spartan warriors forcing the superior Persian army to battle at the “Hot Gates” of Thermopylae. The Persians couldn’t do what they do best because the Spartans and their Phalanx battle formation along with a narrow passage way forced the Persians into close-quarter-combat. So the Persians had to pay the price and go right down the middle.

That’s how Willie survives on the edge in pass pro. Quick feet that keep him in a postion of power, not biting on the trickeration tactics (head and body fakes, stagger-sprint footwork etc.) that a superior athlete might throw at him out on the edge, but patiently biding his time mirroring his opponents movements until the taller, faster, better athlete HAD to come into the Hot Gates of Willie and his massively muscled upper body. And that meant they had to fight their way through the center of Colon, not the edge.

To play in this style takes a certain amount of bravado, guts and determination, not to mention a “willingness to ruthlessness.” One has to be supremely confident in his abilities to throwdown with anybody physically, rather than to out-superior a man with technique.

If you like to watch boxing, look how few boxers like to sit in the pocket and have at it. Rather than throwing down in a phone booth, most prefer to stay on the outside where it’s not quite so brutal.

You only have to spend a single afternoon up at training camp and listen to Steelers defensive line guru John Mitchell and count how many times he barks at his players to fight through the edge of a man in one-on-one pass rush, not the center to realize how key this concept is.

As far as run-blocking goes, the hamhocks on Colon are so wide you could “Show the 2011 and the 2012 highlight films” simultaneously on his keester. But that is where ground’n pound power emanates. Because Willie is “Vertically challenged,” and has that low base, he can get under and up, a rising blow if you will, which was a Charles Henry Noll staple in run-blocking.

Under and up is nothing more than a basic centuries old Sumo wrestling concept of how you up-root a man and move him from “A to B against his will.” (Legendary Pitt line coach Joe Moore). Anything else ends up looking like fat-guys square dancing.
http://craigwolfley.com/

KNOWING stuff is the invisible dimension in discussions like this, IMHO. They proceed as if nobody really KNEW anything, and everything written just reduced to "opinions."

That's bullshit.

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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Thu May 31, 2012 10:34 am

Well, so much for this thread. Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Thu May 31, 2012 10:51 am

I am convinced that everyone has a built-in Bullshit Detector as part of the standard equipment package.

Whether people use it or not is another matter.

Knowing stuff -- and recognising when other people know stuff by (in this case) what they write -- is a program that runs in parallel with -- and independently of -- the satan's intestines of logical procedure. The only conclusion formal logic can generally reach is, "Well, we don't really know . . ."

But there are people who DO really know. Leaving direct perception out of it, or trying to rationalise ignoring it by various sophistries, is poop.

Poop is not food. Even when served on a plate as if it were.

You know this by direct perception.

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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Thu May 31, 2012 11:06 am

Gathering information, for me anyway, isn't strictly a one man bullshit-sifting party. One way or another. It's about amassing enough plausible data to confirm or deny general claims, laughing at a few unique accounts and sensing with my gut about which choice is best for me. Since my choice on a pipe (or bacca) is not life or death, perhaps my instincts aren't as naturally honed to such subject matter... Laughing (There have been a few instances where the choice has certainly enhanced my life, though!)

There are plenty of people who know much more than ME, but discerning them from each other on that level (from my perspective, once again, Yak) is something of a unique affair. One person's guru is another man's bagboy at the store. It's a catch-22: you take shots in the dark with folks and their words until you gain some of your own footing. Hopefully those shots in the dark have been chosen wisely. In my case, to repeat, from a larger pool than just one.

I mean, take you for example. I trust your opinion on many things. Pipes and tobacco in particular. But there have been times others that I hold in the same regard that have brought up contrary or counter points that ring true to my senses just the same. Have any of you never been wrong? Of course you have. I've read instances of them myself. It's not a point-based system, but at some level, suddenly you're surrounded by information and gurus, and less, in that case, is not always more--at this stage, speaking for myself. The lesson and learning comes from the sorting, not solely the information. I'm only myopic in sight, not mind. Tomorrow I may be able to pull from one or two guys who I know have it all figured out. That kind of knowledge takes verification and time. Plus, I enjoy the process, believe it or not! It's very personal and immersing at times.

I know, this wasn't necessarily directed at me, but since no one has anything to say about chamber pipes, I guess we can get all perspective-like and filly-softy. My father got in an accident yesterday (he's fine) so I'm just waiting around for him to call for a ride... Laughing Nothin' else to do.

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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Thu May 31, 2012 1:43 pm

All true enough.

And illustrative of the way that, if you only think analytically about something long enough, everything about it looks uncertain, relative and dependent. A lot of people go there, and never find their way back again.

But when you taste, you know.

Catherine Austin Fitts, for an example. Once you read "Dillan Reed & the Aristocracy of Stock Profits," it's obvious. She knows. Same with Craig Wolfley.

People knew how to make steel centuries before metallurgy came along. The thinkety, analytical, diagram-this-sentence, check your math process we call knowledge leaves a lot out that people knew even 100 years ago.

It's so freaking obvious but it's difficult to communicate. scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Thu May 31, 2012 3:05 pm

kaiser83 wrote:
They remind me of the balloons from Killer Klowns from Outer Space. I still think they would be interesting to smoke.

I'm in the music video for Killer Klowns!
I'm in the police lineup, wearing a Misfits shirt.
Long time ago... Cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NmbNOiOy1c
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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Thu May 31, 2012 3:14 pm

Harlock999 wrote:
I'm in the music video for Killer Klowns!
I'm in the police lineup, wearing a Misfits shirt.

Aren't you in this lineup, too?

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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Thu May 31, 2012 3:18 pm

[quote="George Kaplan"]
Harlock999 wrote:
I'm in the music video for Killer Klowns!
I'm in the police lineup, wearing a Misfits shirt.

Aren't you in this lineup, too?

Yeah, I am... silent
Damn you again, GK! cheers cheers cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Thu May 31, 2012 4:04 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
Well, so much for this thread. Laughing



Kyle, they say, what you do, comes back to you! Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:56 pm

Hermit wrote:
I am really drawn to the pregnant guppy. Shocked
It's a truly unique shape. It's at the very
high end of what I'm willing to spend on a
pipe, so I'm gonna have to think about it.

I can't stop thinking about this pipe.
I don't really care much about the double-chamber aspect, I'm just nuts for the shape.
I just sent Anthony an email. My resistance has failed; if it's still available, I'm caving. Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:58 pm

It'd be fun to watch your good-ol'-boys buddies' reactions when they see you smoking it for the first time Shocked

I lived in Alabama for two years once. Neat place & nice people. But Eisenhower was still president there . . .

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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:13 pm

Yak wrote:
It'd be fun to watch your good-ol'-boys buddies' reactions when they see you smoking it for the first time Shocked

I lived in Alabama for two years once. Neat place & nice people. But Eisenhower was still president there . . .

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I generally smoke at home.
The cats and the dog won't laugh at me. Laughing
I don't think it's one I'd tote around with me.
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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:32 am

Dutch wrote:
Kyle Weiss wrote:
Well, so much for this thread. Laughing



Kyle, they say, what you do, comes back to you! Laughing

Too true. Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:33 am

Hermit wrote:


I can't stop thinking about this pipe.
I don't really care much about the double-chamber aspect, I'm just nuts for the shape.
I just sent Anthony an email. My resistance has failed; if it's still available, I'm caving. Neutral

cheers I like this post. Cool

I really, really hope you post all about it.
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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:34 pm

I own a Wellington pipe which is a double chamber knock-off of the Peterson design. In fact, there were lawsuits between Peterson and Wellington over patent issues. A genuine Wellington knock-off of a Pete has a little triangle stamp on the stem just ahead of the word Wellington.

The Wellington looks like a Pete, it would be a good prop in a Sherlock Holmes summer theater production. The bit looks like the Pete P-lip except the draft hole at the end of the mouthpiece doesn't point upward and functions as the traditional fishtail. The double chamber is kinda clever. The second chamber opens just below the air hole coming from the pipe bowl. Moisture comes out of the bowl, heads North and (supposedly) drops into the 2nd chamber before it can be pulled up the stem into the smoker's mouth.

I can easily clean the second chamber of my Wellington with a Q-tip, though in fact it's hardly necessary, because the pipe bowl has a sizeable drop between the bottom of the bowl and the air hole. It would take quite a bit of wet dottle to fill that gap. Maybe it's a triple chamber? Actually, the pipe smokes reasonably dry as long as the puffer isn't too enthusiastic. I understand these pipes are still available for cheap, and I've seen them on ebay for less than $15.

I think my Wellington is among the first five pipes I ever bought. It's not my go-to pipe, the briar isn't grade A, and the lacquer is laid on kinda thick. But the design is attractive in an old-timey way, it's light and people have complimented it. Used to be, when I walked into a smoke shop there would be several cardboard displays of inexpensive pipes -- cobs, Grabows and Wellingtons. The Wellies had the nicest display and the knock-off of Peterson was an ingenious marketing approach. They came in sizes from poclet to jumbo and just about every piper I knew had one. I've heard that there are Wellington collectors, though I didn't think there was enough variety to support even a medium sized collection.

Well, the Steeler OL promises to be much better this season.
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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:35 pm

KevinM wrote:
...... The bit looks like the Pete P-lip except the draft hole at the end of the mouthpiece doesn't point upward and functions as the traditional fishtail.

I modify the P-Lip draft hole of all my Petes with a needle file. I remove a small amount of material at 6 o’clock of the hole so the smoke is not directed up at my palette as much. I just prefer it that way.

My first and second pipes were Peterson’s. They are a 301 & 309. Much later I got hold of a 317. I am very fond of them in sentimental terms, and I have had a few memorable, even transcendental smokes from the 01 & 09. But I must admit I am getting lazy in my old age. I don’t smoke the system Pete’s as much as I used to simply because I am too lazy to clean out the chamber anymore.

If I am smoking a conventional pipe and I want to put it down and come back to it hours later, as I often do, I can just shove a cleaner in it and walk away. It’s not that simple with a Pete. You can put a cleaner down the stem, but not too far because the end will dip into the reservoir full of rank juice. When you withdraw the cleaner you carry all that yuk up through the stem. So I am careful enough not to feed the cleaner all the way down, but still I don’t like the idea of all that rank juice sitting in the pipe that long.

As much as I love them, they are just a bit too much work for me. Although I happen to have the 317 at work with me right now.

As for Peterson knock-offs, my allegiance is too strong. I could never own a Pete knock-off, just on principal.
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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:08 pm

I got mine this morning. I love this pipe.
It smokes great, definitely cool and dry.
When I cleaned it there was no moisture in the chamber.
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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:25 pm

I modify the P-Lip draft hole of all my Petes with a needle file.


I'm going to give this a try. My complaint about the P-lip is that it aims the smoke in the wrong direction, causing it to taste thin. I'm always fidgeting with the pipe to get it aimed more advantageously. Your approach sounds like the sort of change that has minimal downside even for the undexterous. Thanks.

P.S. Is that the Freeport that's just over the Pennsylvania line? I once lived East of Erie, in that little northern Pa. notch., and we used to make regular treks to a Freeport smoke shop -- no, no, I mean smoked white fish -- and the fare was the best I've ever had. Only problem was we'd consume a good bit of it on the way home. Like many good things, it's probably not there anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: Double-Chamber Pipes   Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:23 pm

Hermit wrote:
I got mine this morning. I love this pipe.
It smokes great, definitely cool and dry.
When I cleaned it there was no moisture in the chamber.

Is that the official review? Very Happy
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