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Brigham
Number of posts: 16 Age: 50 Location: Toronto, ON Tobacco: Brigham d-Series - Virginia Flake Pipe: Brebbia - 1
Brigham - 30
Brigham President - 3
Brigham POTY - 12
Caminetto - 1
Dunhill - 2
Jensen - 1
Larsen - 2
Lorenzetti - 3
Meerschaum Carved - 2
Peterson - 1
Porsche Design - 1
Reiner - 3
Ser Jacapo Picta - 3
Stanwell - 2
Registration date: 2011-11-28
 | Subject: Why is the Canadian Shape called a Canadian? Wed May 30, 2012 2:41 pm | |
| I've yet to get a satisfactory answer to this question. Dunhill has a Lumberman; Woodsman has been used; and Canadian is the standard. I understand the subtle differences the length of the shank and different stems and oval versus round make on the determination of a Canadian/Lumberman/Lovat/Liverpool. But where did the term Canadian come from originally? |
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TheSmokeamater

Number of posts: 254 Age: 46 Location: Freeport, New York Tobacco: Mostly VA & VA-PER, but I love them all, particularly the Lakeland "soapy" topping. The more bizarre the better. A quality straight VA in a clay is where I am most likely to find nirvana. The greatest complexity can be found in the most simple things. Pipe: Collection size: About 32. I favor straights, but have all sorts. Registration date: 2012-05-26
 | Subject: Re: Why is the Canadian Shape called a Canadian? Wed May 30, 2012 3:49 pm | |
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EC Outlaw

Number of posts: 259 Age: 66 Location: Kentucky Tobacco: MacBaren Non-Aromatics
Stokkebye Luxury Flakes
Experimenting with others
Pipe: Peterson 303
Savinelli Nonpareil
Vauen 233
Neerup Classic Smooth
Stanwell Featherweight
J.M. Boswell Cherrywood
And others
Registration date: 2011-11-24
 | Subject: Re: Why is the Canadian Shape called a Canadian? Wed May 30, 2012 5:10 pm | |
| My understanding is that the term 'Canadian' for description of a pipe came first. The early French explorers adopted the native american design of the smoking pipe (the calumet) with its flattened shank/stem carved and drilled from a single piece of wood, with the bowl carved from pipestone from what would become southern Minnesota. The French explorers, being traveling men, naturally reduced the length of the shank/stem to be more handy. When pipes began to be made from briar, the shape was retained, as it was a favorite of many French-Canadians at the time; some of which had emigrated to the USA.
The term 'Lumberman' was coined by Swedish emigres working in the lumbering business in the northern tier of the USA, from Michigan west to Washington and Oregon. They liked the style of the 'Canadian', but due to ill feelings over boundary disputes on timber tracts, wanted to call the pipe design by a name other than 'Canadian'.
Accurate account? Who knows? But it was told to me by my great-grandfather, who was a steam locomotive engineer who worked in the Washington state logging area in the late 1800's. |
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DustyRoundup

Number of posts: 518 Age: 48 Location: S.W. Montana Tobacco: G.H.&C. Bright CR Flake, Bobs Chocolate Flake.
G.L.P. Cumberland
Esoterica Dunbar
Pipe: 6 Peterson's
0 Lillehammer's
1 Brigham
1 Savinelli Churchwarden
7 MM Cobs,
1 Bruyerre from Natch
2 no names Registration date: 2011-11-03
 | Subject: Re: Why is the Canadian Shape called a Canadian? Wed May 30, 2012 5:20 pm | |
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Wow Outlaw, Thats pretty interesting! It sure makes sense. And, coming from your Great Grandfather, I bet its true. Nice
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DustyRoundup

Number of posts: 518 Age: 48 Location: S.W. Montana Tobacco: G.H.&C. Bright CR Flake, Bobs Chocolate Flake.
G.L.P. Cumberland
Esoterica Dunbar
Pipe: 6 Peterson's
0 Lillehammer's
1 Brigham
1 Savinelli Churchwarden
7 MM Cobs,
1 Bruyerre from Natch
2 no names Registration date: 2011-11-03
 | Subject: Re: Why is the Canadian Shape called a Canadian? Wed May 30, 2012 5:23 pm | |
| LOL  , Seiins how we are here, and on the subject of Canadians(style) Brigham,,,Do you yourself smoke a Canadian Style? I see you have 9 Brighams. Do you own a model 19 ? |
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Brigham
Number of posts: 16 Age: 50 Location: Toronto, ON Tobacco: Brigham d-Series - Virginia Flake Pipe: Brebbia - 1
Brigham - 30
Brigham President - 3
Brigham POTY - 12
Caminetto - 1
Dunhill - 2
Jensen - 1
Larsen - 2
Lorenzetti - 3
Meerschaum Carved - 2
Peterson - 1
Porsche Design - 1
Reiner - 3
Ser Jacapo Picta - 3
Stanwell - 2
Registration date: 2011-11-28
 | Subject: Re: Why is the Canadian Shape called a Canadian? Wed May 30, 2012 5:32 pm | |
| Dusty, I saw your inventory list and thought I would bring mine up to date. Those are the pipes I have here at home. I'll add the office inventory shortly. The "collection" does include at least 3-4 Brigham Canadians including a Dunhill Lumberman (same thing). I know I have the first #19 that was cut at the EU factory which I turned myself (after someone who knew what they were doing set it up for me). The decision to bring the #19 back into the Brigham fold just made sense being Canadian and all and was near and dear to me. |
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Brigham
Number of posts: 16 Age: 50 Location: Toronto, ON Tobacco: Brigham d-Series - Virginia Flake Pipe: Brebbia - 1
Brigham - 30
Brigham President - 3
Brigham POTY - 12
Caminetto - 1
Dunhill - 2
Jensen - 1
Larsen - 2
Lorenzetti - 3
Meerschaum Carved - 2
Peterson - 1
Porsche Design - 1
Reiner - 3
Ser Jacapo Picta - 3
Stanwell - 2
Registration date: 2011-11-28
 | Subject: Re: Why is the Canadian Shape called a Canadian? Wed May 30, 2012 5:34 pm | |
| EC, thank you for the explanation. This is the best I've heard. I assumed it had something to do with the voyageurs but no one has been able to make the connection for me. Greatly appreciated. |
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Kyle Weiss

Number of posts: 11513 Location: Reno, NV Tobacco: SG-KP/SL/BBF, R-HOTW, MacB-VA#1/NF/ODF, GLP-Emb/US/JKP/SXT/Nav, D-EMP/NC, C&D-BB, JP-SF/OD, S-660, WTF, BBQ -- hissing at Old Lady Lakeland; Cajun Hater. Pipe: Slightly bent bulldogs, classy Rhodesians, venerable cobs, pithy pokers, curvy blowfish, sleek Canadians, and almost anything bizarre. Registration date: 2011-09-18
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TheSmokeamater

Number of posts: 254 Age: 46 Location: Freeport, New York Tobacco: Mostly VA & VA-PER, but I love them all, particularly the Lakeland "soapy" topping. The more bizarre the better. A quality straight VA in a clay is where I am most likely to find nirvana. The greatest complexity can be found in the most simple things. Pipe: Collection size: About 32. I favor straights, but have all sorts. Registration date: 2012-05-26
 | Subject: Re: Why is the Canadian Shape called a Canadian? Wed May 30, 2012 7:36 pm | |
| That answer sounds quite plausible EC. |
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Yak Resident Philosopher

Number of posts: 7212 Age: 257 Location: Yaksylvania Tobacco: Embarcadero Pipe: London, Dublin, Pesaro & Sasquatchewan Registration date: 2007-12-10
 | Subject: Re: Why is the Canadian Shape called a Canadian? Thu May 31, 2012 6:56 am | |
| It does sound plausible. But then it makes me wonder about "Liverpool" . . . and "Dublin" . . . (?)  |
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Kyle Weiss

Number of posts: 11513 Location: Reno, NV Tobacco: SG-KP/SL/BBF, R-HOTW, MacB-VA#1/NF/ODF, GLP-Emb/US/JKP/SXT/Nav, D-EMP/NC, C&D-BB, JP-SF/OD, S-660, WTF, BBQ -- hissing at Old Lady Lakeland; Cajun Hater. Pipe: Slightly bent bulldogs, classy Rhodesians, venerable cobs, pithy pokers, curvy blowfish, sleek Canadians, and almost anything bizarre. Registration date: 2011-09-18
 | Subject: Re: Why is the Canadian Shape called a Canadian? Thu May 31, 2012 6:57 am | |
| ...shouldn't it be a "Liverpudlian?" |
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Yak Resident Philosopher

Number of posts: 7212 Age: 257 Location: Yaksylvania Tobacco: Embarcadero Pipe: London, Dublin, Pesaro & Sasquatchewan Registration date: 2007-12-10
 | Subject: Re: Why is the Canadian Shape called a Canadian? Thu May 31, 2012 1:09 pm | |
| Rhodesian (?) Bulldog (!)  |
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Rob_In_MO

Number of posts: 3549 Age: 39 Location: Park Hills, MO Tobacco: Mostly Aromatics, Some VA's, Mild English Blends Pipe: Bjarne, Peterson, Savinellis, Cobs & Basket Briars. Registration date: 2011-01-19
 | Subject: Re: Why is the Canadian Shape called a Canadian? Thu May 31, 2012 1:17 pm | |
| I believe EC Outlaw hit the nail on the head. Best explanation i've ever heard! Especially plausible coming from someone who was actually in that area - EC's Great Grandfather.
Yak - Rhodesian and Bulldog? Who knows... I've never understood exactly how they relate a Bulldog to the shape that we are all familiar with. There are still arguments as to the true differences between a Rhodesian and a Bulldog. Where did it start? Where will it end? You're guess is as good as mine, Brother. |
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Schmitzbitz
Number of posts: 78 Age: 32 Location: Port Coquitlam, British Columbia Tobacco: Three Oaks Syrian, Ten Russians, Tudor Castle Pipe: Uncle Arthur Spool, Iwan Ries Blasted Dog, GBD Prodigy or anything Brigham. Registration date: 2011-03-23
 | Subject: Re: Why is the Canadian Shape called a Canadian? Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:28 am | |
| I've always heard that the Bulldog shape resembles a bulldog's (dog) head when viewed from (pardon the pun) head on. Rhodesians, I assume, have been given the name to differentiate between the shank and stem cut (taper vs. saddle); but what do I know?
I know I like 'em, my favourite shape after long-shanked billiards, be they Canadian, Lovat, Lumberman, or Liverpool in nomenclature. |
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