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I think it would be cool to make a sheath for the the tamper that could be put length wise on a belt.
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Yeah, copper prices are ridiculous nowadays.

Basically, if you put two dissimilar metals of different electric potentials in contact with each other in a wet (or moist) environment, it sets up a cathode (copper) anode (steel) relationship with the water/electrolyte closing the circuit, causing electrons to flow from the steel (oxidation) to the copper, causing galvanic corrosion of the steel. Chances are you won't be submerging your knife, so it shouldn't be too bad, but enough moisture and the corrosion could still happen. If you look at properly installed plumbing systems, you will never see steel connected directly to copper. there will be a brass or dielectric fitting between the two. Unscrupulous gasoline tank (like at a gas station) installers used to toss pocketfuls of pennies on top of the steel tanks when they were being installed "for good luck" knowing that they would eventually get hired again to replace the tanks that had rotted out.
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Interesting. I didn't know I could put brass between them. And yes, copper prices are insane. I priced some sheetstock a couple of days ago and was astonished at how much it was. I went ahead and got nickel silver and brass in 1 mm and 2 mm instead.

I do admit to being a total scrounger though. In addition to the local Goodwill stores (where I've found some good copper and brass pices on occasion) I used to make a Sunday trip to a little industrial park about a mile from where I live to 'walk my dog'...and where Benchmade has their factory. You cannot imagine what I've pulled out of their dumpster...among which are a dozen good full tang knife blanks, lots of good steel blades (intended for folders), carbon fiber sheets that scales had been stamped from (with large areas still there) and the same with impregnated wood laminates. A damn gold mine esp. the full tanks and the carbon fiber. I can go into their catalogs and find the knife they were intended for and get the steel i.d. that way or sometimes it's stampled right on there. The first blade I got over there I dipped in Platisol of whatever it's called, and made a good garden knife that's likely not tempered, but is fine for whacking plants and digging - and it's super easy to replace the edge with a file or sandpaper or my belt sander.


Anyway - took my daughter to the beach yesterday and had my Maxpedition Fat Boy filled with project stuff to fiddle with after I'd completed the obligatory beach combing. The finds? Two lousy rocks and two pieces of driftwood. But I was able to get the crown antler piece to a state of near completion while my daughter did some clandestine "Game of Thrones" reading. Then we hit the local major destination dairy place (Tillamook - makers of fine cheese and ice cream, etc.) and snagged cheese samples and a huge waffle cone each. All in all a nice day.

Knife project on hold today to start and finish 1) a 5" strope made from Rosewood and a chunk of insanely thick leather cut from a $2 weight lifters belt from, you guess it...the Goodwill. And get almost the 2nd half of a staff made to resemble the one brandished by The Riddler...for my boy and his CosPlay fettish...or whatever he calls it. I can hardly wait to see him in his little green derby, tights and question mark jacket. Digital camera...earn your keep!!! lol

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Your boy going to PAX this year in costume?
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PAX?

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PostSubject: Re: Help me design 2 Nordic knives...   Help me design 2 Nordic knives... - Page 2 EmptySun Jun 24, 2012 11:20 am

With the shorter knife are you going to put some kind of metal cap our just sand the antler smooth?
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Two photos below. One shows the orientation of the antler section to the blade...about where it will be. Then of course the wood and spacers will fit between where the tang ends and the start of the antler. The other photo shows the very heavy brass endcap, the antler section, another brass spacer that will go on the front of the antler, the brass 'guard' (which I'll likely have to redo) and some of the potential spacer materials.

I JUST found (finally) the chunk of Gabon Ebony I had intended to use, after (of course) I found a nice piece of African Blackwood (cousin to Ebony). But I'll certainly use all of it...and more...much more...eventually.

Don't know if the black micarta and red fiber spacers will be used, maybe opting for ivory micarta and some combination of light and dark green fiber spacers instead. We'll see.

But the short answer to your question is...yes...a buttcap will be used.

(With the other piece of antler, the one going on the Leuku (long) blade...I filed down the inside of the very end area to semi-smooth and am thinking of what to do there. Getting it flat enough to accept a piece of any sheetstock would be a challenge indeed...but I do have some ideas about insetting some kind of medallion into it. Not sure what yet.



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Thanks, can't wait to see the finished product.
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PostSubject: Re: Help me design 2 Nordic knives...   Help me design 2 Nordic knives... - Page 2 EmptySun Jun 24, 2012 3:16 pm

Well...you have to.



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Actually, true to standard protocol, I may belay the plan to put that large antler section at the end of the small knife. After finding my long lost Gabon Ebony and procuring the African Blackwood I may instead use one of the other together with black micarta and spacers that are even now wending their way toward me. Much as I like the antler piece after getting things laid out it seems far too large for the intended target. When looking at the remaining Ebony it seemed very close to the needed size to accomodate the wood sections of BOTH knives, which would still provide the "set" thing I was hoping for.

Below is an example of a Leuku and Puukko offered as a combination of two knives...at the excellent "Ragweed Forge site (link below photo).


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I was thinking that the antler on the smaller one was disproportionate.
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PostSubject: Re: Help me design 2 Nordic knives...   Help me design 2 Nordic knives... - Page 2 EmptySun Jun 24, 2012 8:38 pm

Well...Northern Finnish Sami style knives (the ones that usually have the sharply curving antler sheath) also often have a sort of knob on the end. I guess this is so the thing won't go flying when wet or snowy or whatever. Plus they are usually more of a Leuku style, for bushwhacking and camp use, etc. But some still have large handles, but with a smaller style blade.

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Also, I've seen handles very much like that one would have turned out. And even though the photo below is maybe a bit smaller, it wouldn't have been THAT different.

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What I'd REALLY like to find is what they call "Aged Copper Burl" - but I have no idea where to find it, even though I've looked. I think it's stabilized and colored Box Elder Burl...but I could be wrong.

If you scroll down the page at the link...which has more handle materials that I'd call exotic than anywhere else I've ever seen. Some darn nice Sambar there, and lots of really nice stabilized wood. Fun to see what Mike Stewart does with all this stuff. He's made a couple for me on special order. One is a nice Bark River hunting knife that has Impala scales...looks good. He did another that I call a set...a Bark River North Wind and Tanto that have what they call "Twisted Wire Micarta" or I've also seen it referred to as Barbed Wire Micarta...I think they're the same. There are some pretty cool and fairly expensive micartas out there.

http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?tid/777077/


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PostSubject: Re: Help me design 2 Nordic knives...   Help me design 2 Nordic knives... - Page 2 EmptyWed Jun 27, 2012 12:08 pm

Help me, I've fallen...and I can't stop carving!!! Whatever.


So I started the other handle idea for the small knife a couple days ago...have been working on it during 'free time' (my daughter just had 4 wisdom teeth 'extracted' - it's kind of elbowed the project aside a bit). BTAIM (be that is it may) I started out by carving a fairly standard handle...one index finger groove...left a bog hook on the end of the butt. Then I got to looking at it (always dangerous) and thought I saw a seal in there (Inuit style) so I released that and it looks pretty good in a minimalist way. Then inside of THAT I started seeing an old friend...the Maltese Falcon. I think he winked at me. I need one of two things...more sleep of more coffee!

I had lost the previous photo search file I had on the Black Bird (or perhaps better known as 'the dingus') so I re-did the search and came up with some new stuff that really does a good job on showing the bird in rotation. Check this one out.

http://props.steinschneider.com/maltese_falcon/malt_falcon.htm

If I end up doing the Falcon as the head that's on the butt (heh, heh) I would likely carry the incised 'feather' design into the handle about ahlfway to the forend. I made a tamper one time that was an "exact" duplicate of the Maltese Falcon...out of Oak (groan)...painted Jet Black, with a copper tamp head. I sold the piece via Mars for over $100. So it must have been pretty well received by someone out there. I'm thinking that the Inuit style seal would get an, 'oh, that's nice...a seal' reaction...while the Falcon would be a MUCH more enthusiastic reaction. It's a 'Movie stuff vx. Eskimo stuff" kinda thing I guess.

I'll take some photos today before I do any revisions...IF I do any revisions. Then I need to start making the spacer assembly...still thinking black micarta and red fiber spacers...but the ivory does have it's own draw and appeal...

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Boy that's gonna be cool. Can't wait to see. So the beak is going to be hook on the butt cap right?
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Well, not any longer. The idea of the Maltese Falcon has been set aside for a future project. After getting into a bit the revision wouldn't have worked. For things to look like it was intensional I should have started with that idea. At this point the head (with the nose, instead of a beak) forming the 'hook' you referred to, looks more like a seal or maybe even a polar bear. Eyes and nostrils have been drilled, brow shaped, snout with nose, lip flaps (like a dog's anatomy) carved...and it has an initial buff on it using black emory. Also, the micarta spacers (ivory) and the guard have been rough cut. Next I'll drill the handle and spacers and start the final spaing of the front section. Ivory Micarta is a bit touchy, if you want it to stay as white as it can be. All the metal will be Nickel Silver. Should look OK. Photos ASAP.

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Can't to slowly acquire the tools I need to start taking on projects like this one.
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So check this out...AUS 8...already tempered and drawn...includes pins and bolster material...plus a sheath...everything you need but the wood. For this kind of thing...it really is a stellar price.


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Why must you enable me.
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The correct phrase would be, "Why must you enable me, Obi Wan?".

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Luke, beware the dark side of the Force or the Blackhorse. Once you journey that path...
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I'm bad, once I start in on something like this I want to go all out.
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Lesath should talk. He's the one that pulled me into this whole thing. Now, I am merely returning the karma to another.

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And an outstanding job you are doing. You've been an apt pupil which blends perfectly with your skills as a natural instructor. Good Karma, in my opinion.
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Blackhorse wrote:
Well...Northern Finnish Sami style knives (the ones that usually have the sharply curving antler sheath) also often have a sort of knob on the end. I guess this is so the thing won't go flying when wet or snowy or whatever. Plus they are usually more of a Leuku style, for bushwhacking and camp use, etc. But some still have large handles, but with a smaller style blade.

My wife's a Finn (well..Finn/Swede mix, really, but if you ask her she'll tell you she's Finn). I actually tried making a Sami knife for her for an anniversary a few years back. I also have the skill of a three year old when it comes to such things...so I said the hell with it and bought her some Finnish serviceware instead. *Sigh*
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I think I'll live vicariously through you for now.
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OK - Fine with me! I've got some new shots to post up here. They are not the best quality, but they at least show what's going on in terms of process.

First off I have to admit that that way I do this is not the proscribed methodology. Normally, one stacks all the parts of the handle onto the tang and glues them all at the same time...set in a small "vise" made just for this. When I do the glueing I'll show that. Me? Well, what I've had to do was do the spacers and handle parts in stages...glueing a few pieces together and then assembling those 'sets' into the full handle. The photos below show the spacer pieces set onto a bolt in the same orientation they will occupy on the handle...for shaping. I use a belt sander, a small 2"X42" and although real pros will go on and on about this machine of that machine...the little one I got for about $150 does what I need it to do just fine. The 2" belts are not all that common, but I've found them online pretty easily.

I'll post some photos of the same thing, after sanding.

Also, check in the jaws of the green vice. The three pieces that form the guard are set in there for edge shaping. I take them down to rough form with files and then 220 grit paper in a block. Note that the guard is made up of three pieces of metal, 3mm nickel silver, 3mm brass and 1mm nickel silver. They are set up this way so that I can do some filework on the middle piece of the sandwich...the brass...which should look cool when assembled (saw it on the internet! lol). Aside from the metals the materials used are Reindeeer antler, green dymondwood, and Ebony.

Last thing. The Gabon Ebony handle. I ended up carving it to sort of resemble (how much depends on the number of drinks you're had) a seal...or a Polar Bear...or whatever. The eyes and nostrils are drilled and I set some sterling silver wire into the eyes and some sterling tubing (cause...like...he's gotta breathe, right?) into the nostril holes.

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