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PostSubject: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyWed Aug 29, 2012 10:19 pm

I'll start this one with some links to suppliers and photos of the Parangs I'll be working on.

There are only two places in the world that these are obtainable...Machete Specialists and Outdoor Dynamics...unless you go to Malaysia and find the blacksmith's shop. I got onto these due to the reputation of the 70 year old blacksmith that makes them and the fact that they are authentic and have both a progressive temper and convex grind.

This isn't really a big project at all. I just find the pieces really interesting and thought others might enjoy seeing them.
Here are pics of the stock Parangs:

In the first pic I got the middle one. The overall length is 17" blade is 11". Thickness 1/8" and tapers to the tip.

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This one is said to be 20"...the thickness of the steel is 1/4" and also tapers to the tip.

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Both handles are solid plastic...and I MEAN solid. They will come off and new ones of my design will go on using a special wood provided by my brother-in-law up in Tacoma, WA. They are from a torn up dock that used the wood when it was already old...it seems related to Teak...details on the wood forthcoming.


Here's two links to the sites:

http://www.machetespecialists.com/malaysian-20-parang-panjang.html

http://www.machetespecialists.com/malaysian-11-golok-bersarung.html


This is a link to the blacksmith's shop in Bidor, Malaysia. Very interesting blog if you go past this page and see what else Jason has...extensive.

http://jasonongsg.multiply.com/journal/item/7/Blacksmith-in-Perak-Chop-Kwong-Yuan-Loong

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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyWed Aug 29, 2012 10:32 pm

Very cool!

A Damascus steel one would be a neat amalgam after your last project. There probably aren't many parangs made from that!
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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyWed Aug 29, 2012 11:56 pm

Mr.E -

You obviously haven't bothered to do the obligatory google on 'damascus parang'.

A comment used by one guy was that in Malaysia you could get a very, very good carbon steel parang for about $10 USD just in the steel cost. For a stainless steel really equivalent to the propreties of the high carbon metal it would cost ten times that much, for a variety of reasons. Then step up to Damascus...and you begin to see what I suspect...that a damascus parang, while out there and available (it's a big world) is an item for collectors, not users. In all respects these are tools for the common man in the country where they are made. They are rough...with any star quality being in the handling of the steel and how totally suited they are to the use to which they are put. I mean, finding an item like this that has a progressive temper with the edge hard so it will hold and the rest soft to absorb the shock of chopping (what they are intended for) is amazing...and to also have a convex edge grind...simply amazing to me. Directly from the blacksmith these would go for something like $12 USD...and these are made from new spring steel, while many are recycled leaf springs from cars and such. Pretty cool.

My part in this (as I see it) will be to make a wood scabbard and handle that honors the region, the smith and the item.


PS: I've also got another 'two item' project on which I'm working. It consists of two small blade carving knives. One with an EnZo blade designed as a whittler...made of O1 steel...which has a handle (since I've finished carving it and all the parts have at this point been epoxied together and now await final shaping and finishing) of the most beautifull piece of Curly Birch I've ever seen, plus spacers of nickel silver and ivory paper micarta. The blade:

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And...one using a Rosseli UHC blade (Ultra High Carbon Roselli blades have a carbon content of 1.5 - 2.0%. They are hardened to HRC 64 - 66. They require either a diamond or ceramic shapener.)

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So perhaps I should ammend this post to include those and focus on the contrasting aspects of the two sides. One being the big, rough chopper of basic steel made to be used in the mixed wood jungles of Malaysia...the other being the ubber high tech steel of the little carvers made literally on the other side of the world for a totally different purpose and due to the differences in the economics of the two areas are typically issued as a highly decorated and finished item with top grade materials and craftsmanship...etc., etc., etc. To me, interesting either way.

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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyThu Aug 30, 2012 12:30 am

The blade and general design of that first parang is just eye catching. I can definitely see replacing the handle for aesthetic appeal but that thing is purdy. I can't wait to see pics of what you do with it brother. The other 3 blades are cool too, but that first one is going to be awesome.
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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyThu Aug 30, 2012 12:36 am

You know, I was tempted to leave the plastic handle on the thing at first. In a way, it's 'right'. But given the differences in the size of what must be the common Malaysian hand and the monster mitts that God gave me...it wouldn't work. The current handle comes to about my third finger. lol Totally unsafe. The one I roughed out today is a good 3" longer. Plus, I'm incorporating a lanyard hole as part of the carved design.

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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyThu Aug 30, 2012 12:42 am

It'd be comfortable with the plactic for long term zombie head whacking but for the treks around Mt. Hood and Ranier a wood handle will be wonderful to handle those yeti. In reality the plastic probably serves its' purpose in Malaysia just fine but aesthetically I think the wood handle on there will do wonders for it, like the difference between a pressed stem with the lines still on it not sanded down and a hand turned acrylic swirl. It's a well deserving piece in need of your upgrade IMO.
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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyThu Aug 30, 2012 2:07 am

Lol, nope I didn't google it, but I read the "Jason's Photos" article. The guy was talking about the carbon steel "will rust" knives versus the more expensive stainless ones and I thought "why not just go all the way with it!?" It'd be a Malaysian verson of a Hattori Hanzi samurai sword. Razz

I thought it was intersting that they sharpen them before tempering to make it easier on the worker. Makes sense.

Either way, the second two "high end" ones look killer too. The shape of the EnZo is perfect, and just the quality of the other one makes it sexier still.

I love knives. rabbit
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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyThu Aug 30, 2012 2:14 am

Hattori Hanzo...'Very goooood!'. Uma would be impressed.

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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyThu Aug 30, 2012 1:19 pm

Nice cuttin' tools, BH. You never cease to impress. I'm not a knife guy, but this kind of stuff gets my blood movin'.

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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyThu Sep 06, 2012 10:23 pm

OK gents...the first piece of the four is done. Man! That little sucker is SHARP!!!


This is the Roselli "Bear Claw" blade shown above, with the Snakewood handle and fittings of very heavy brass and black paper micarta. It turned out well.


There's always some damn thing the comes up. This time it was a hairline crack in one of the sides. It goes from the butt about a third of the way toward the front on a 30 degree angle. In the last photo you can just see what I did to try and counter the furthering of the crack...there are two large brass pins that go through the butt plate (which is 1/4" stock) into the wood about an inch...straddling the crack. Maybe that will help. As I intend to use this one as a working carver (with the Ultra High Carbon steel at an Rc of 65...what else?) a slight fissure isn't the end of the world. I'll just spackle it.


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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyThu Sep 06, 2012 10:31 pm

Geez, I just wrote a reply and somehow I deleted it. scratch

That knife looks great BH! I've always liked thle look of short bladed knives. The handle has terrific grain, the butt in solid. The little crack in the grain doesn't really hold it back either IMO. Ixnay on the spackle, LOL.
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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyThu Sep 06, 2012 10:43 pm

Yeah...you can see the crack in the first photo. At the butt, where it was likely the most significant, it went about 1/4" into the wood. After about 10 soaking coats of 100% pure Tung oil...it may not expand. But if it does I'll just sand it a bit and re-oil.

And I mis-spoke. The thickness of the butt plate is not 1/4". It's more like 3/16". But with most of the wood mass and all that brass past the mid-point of the handle...it's very butt heavy.

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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyThu Sep 06, 2012 11:48 pm

One possible solution could be a hand guard at the blade as a counter weight. Not anything gaudy, just a longer brass fixture perhaps. Thinking out loud...
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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyFri Sep 07, 2012 12:25 am

Not a good plan for a carving knife like this. The guard gets in the way of the cuts and limits any kind of low angle work...like side shaving, etc. And one doesn't heft the piece like one would a Bowie or a Dagger for instance...preparing for a slash or a lunge. Cuts with a blade like this are carefull...considered. So while balance is always a good thing, here it's not mandatory.

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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyFri Sep 07, 2012 12:31 am

I can see your point about the flatter angle. Back heavy or not, it's still a really nice piece. I'd use it as a plug cutter! Wink
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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyMon Oct 22, 2012 8:33 pm

Just finished the handle on the smaller Parang so thought I would put some photos up on the thread here.

The larger one is done from ?Ginko Wood, stained Ebony with copper caps fore and aft and a lanyard fixture that goes about an inch into the butt, through the cap there. The Ginko is carved with extreme finger grooves to fit my hand. I'll say one thing about function - this baby make short work of Blackberry vines!

The smaller one is done with a nicely curved piece of Blacktail antler that I scrimmed. My first attempt at scrimshaw. As a number one piece, it turned out OK, learned a lot. The forend of this handle has several decorative pieces, brass and a square copper/enamel piece, just for fun. The antler has two pieces of micarta at the forend, one black and one ivory. They allow the flanged contour, which I like. The antler looks as though I smudged the ink during that part of the scrimming...it actually natural coloring in the antler. There is some minor 'spread' of the ink into the antler in a few places and I think that the material is just prone to doing that, not being totally solid like ivory or something would be. I'm glad that about a year ago when I stumbled onto some colored india type inks I bought a bunch...brown, green, red, etc. I like the multi-colored look.

Still to do? The larger Parnang has a scabbard I did from Pine, that may or may not be covered. The smaller one came with a funky but functional sheath...made from PVC. (lol) That one will be covered with some sand colored leather that's already cut and now needs some design refinement and final gluing (it will be about 3/4 glued with Barge Glue and the stitched and trimmed to final shape. I'll add pics of those when done.

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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyMon Oct 22, 2012 10:19 pm

Hey man, nice work! cheers

The scrimshaw handle turned out especially well, with your now-signature reindeer on it! Cool
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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyMon Oct 22, 2012 10:34 pm

Those are really awesome! That large one looks like a workhorse indeed. I really like the artwork on the handle of that smaller one though. That deer design is really cool... I don't think it looks like a smudge at all, as you said, antler is porous and ink is going to settle in those spots, doesn't take away from the art a bit.

Looking at all of the craftsmen and artists on BoB, I'm going to have to try my hand at something... can't be a spectator forever. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyTue Oct 23, 2012 7:25 am

Very nice!
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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyTue Oct 23, 2012 8:51 am

Damn, BH. You do some fine work.
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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyTue Oct 23, 2012 1:04 pm

Blackhorse,

Those are beautiful... I must say, I'm a big fan of everything you make!! And the reindeers, I love em!

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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyTue Oct 23, 2012 2:19 pm

Thanks. And also for recognizing the correct species! lol

Being half Norwegian in terms of family history, etc. I adopted the glyph of the Reindeer used on the handle as a kind of personal maker's logo and I usually hand carve one on the knives and handles that I make. I think the original rock art that I used as a basis is in Alta, Norway. The conifers represented on the handle are also a nearly exact copy of some found in the rock art in the Alta area. As I've said before I love the Nordic style of knives...their 'form follows function' ethic, the deceptive simplicity, the clean lines and extreme emphasis on the quality of the materials used (super steels with a balance between edge holding and ease of maintenance). On my personal pocket knives I'll usually opt for some of the ubber cool and super tech stainless powder steels used today, but in fixed blades I prefer high carbon steels that above all else will hold a scary sharp edge nearly forever.

Time for some shameless self-promotion - examples of what I like to do follow:

A Leuku made with a Kankaanpaa blade of Bohler Uddeholm 0.8% carbon steel and African Blackwood / ivory micarta and nickel silver spacers. This one has a 'partial convex grind'.

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A knife made for a BoB bro...EnZo D2 blade with Snakewood handle. Convex grind, which is my favorite.

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My favorite...a personal carving knife...2 1/4" Roselli Ultra High Carbon (a proprietary steel with a carbon content of 1.5 - 2.0% hardened to HRC of 64 - 66) blade with Snakewood handle, brass and black micarta guard, cap and spacers. Scandi grind.

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And the first one I did that has a Yrjo Puronvarsi blade (hammered out of old Krupp carbon steel, unique with their rhombic transversal section, i. e. they are thickest in the middle where the grind line begins) and a handle of Gabon Ebony and Reindeer Antler, etc. in which the butt forms a stylized head of a seal, complete with sterling eyes and nose holes (these latter are tube form which the eyes are solid...so she can breathe! lol). The spaces are black micarta, nickle silver and brass and two are file worked (which I'll never do again as the fitting was a total bitch and ended up about 'half right' - but quite 'festive'!). A scandi grind.

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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyThu Oct 25, 2012 4:03 pm

Wow, hadn't seen this thread before. Just...wow.
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PostSubject: Re: New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs   New Project...Two Malaysian Parangs EmptyThu Oct 25, 2012 10:55 pm

Yep, very high quality attractive work indeed.
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Some darn sexy work on hose blades brother, keep up the great work.
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