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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:34 pm

And the heck of it is they keep giving you grounds for optomism. Teams others beat by 24 we beat by 3 in cliffhangers.

They must figure it's not fun if people aren't on the edges of their seats holding their breath.

Except for one stretch in '76 and Ben's first year it's been like that pretty much since 1974.

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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:36 pm

Your just jealous of The Kardiac Kids
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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:49 pm

We've got our own now lol!

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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:00 pm

MEMORANDUM
TO: Owners of NFL Teams
FROM: NFLPA Executive Committee
DATE: September 20, 2012
RE: Your Lockout of the NFL Referees and the Negative Impact on Football

The NFL Players Association Executive Committee is calling on you to end the lockout of our referees. We believe there is substantial evidence that you have failed in your obligation to provide as safe a working environment as possible.

Your decision to lock out officials with more than 1,500 years of collective NFL experience has led to a deterioration of order, safety and integrity. This affirmative decision has not only resulted in poor calls, missed calls and bad game management, but the combination of those deficiencies will only continue to jeopardize player health and safety and the integrity of the game that has taken decades to build.

As we predicted and explained to you weeks ago, the removal of the veteran officials from regular season games left a group of your replacements who have proved to be incapable of keeping pace with the speed of the game. Coaches and players have complained of numerous errors and failures including: erratic and missed calls on egregious holds and hits, increased skirmishes between players and confusion about game rules. Many replacements have lost control of games due to inexperience and unfamiliarity with players and rules.

The headlines are embarrassing: a scab working a game despite having been on the payroll of one of the teams, another who was assigned to referee a team he publicly supported on Facebook, and one who is a professional poker player when you propose even more stringent player rules on gambling.

It is lost on us as to how you allow a Commissioner to cavalierly issue suspensions and fines in the name of player health and safety yet permit the wholesale removal of the officials that you trained and entrusted to maintain that very health and safety. It has been reported that the two sides are apart by approximately $60,000 per team.We note that your Commissioner has fined an individual player as much in the name of "safety." Your actions are looking more and more like simple greed. As players, we see this game as more than the "product" you reference at times. You cannot simply switch to a group of cheaper officials and fulfill your legal, moral, and duty obligations to us and our fans. You need to end the lockout and bring back the officials immediately.

We are all men who love and respect this game and believe that it represents something beyond just money. For our teammates, our coaches and our fans who deserve better, vote to end this lockout now.
Sincerely,

Domonique Foxworth, NFLPA President
Charlie Batch, NFLPA Vice President, Pittsburgh Steelers
Cornelius Bennett, NFLPA Former Players Board of Directors Chairman
Drew Brees, NFLPA Vice President, New Orleans Saints
Brian Dawkins, NFLPA Vice President
Scott Fujita, NFLPA Vice President, Cleveland Browns
Matt Hasselbeck, NFLPA Vice President, Tennessee Titans
Brandon Moore, NFLPA Vice President, New York Jets
Jeff Saturday, NFLPA Vice President, Green Bay Packers
Mickey Washington, NFLPA Former Players Board of Directors Member
Brian Waters, NFLPA Vice President, New England Patriots
Benjamin Watson, NFLPA Vice President, Cleveland Browns

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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:50 pm

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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:01 am

OH MY DEAR LORD.....................What are these guys doing to my beloved football??????

The end of the MNF game was redonkulous Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

The REAL REFS need to get over the fact that they only make 150K for a job that they work maybe two days a week for right around half the year. This is very very sad and frustrating as a fan.

It's really not the replacement's fault. They really are trying their best. They are not trained for the speed of the NFL. They are doing us, the fans, a service by working these games so we can watch them. But, COME ON....Someone needs to slap someone and get the real refs back
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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:57 am

How bout Big Poppa G and the rest of the billionaire owners or the 1800 millionaire players get up off some dough and pay these guys what they are apparently worth ... AND. the didn't leave, Big Poppa G locked them out.. big big Huge HUGE diff
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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:26 am

Wow, the Pack did get ripped on that Hail Mary.
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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:07 am

That was the right call, I think...well, ok, they missed a pretty clear offensive pass interference call, but those go uncalled almost all the time on those last play of the game scrums.

I know everyone, everywhere is complaining about the TD call, but it was a good call. Possession isn't "official" until a receiver/defender touches down with the ball; by the time the players' feet hit the ground, both the receiver and the defender had a claim to possession; simultaneous possession is always awarded to the offense. Silly as it seems, the fact that the defender seems to have had the ball "first" and seemed to have better positioning of the ball once they came down with it, the rules are written to take that into effect. I'm pretty sure if the usual refs where calling that, the result would have been the same.
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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:29 am

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SEATTLE — Golden Tate shoved a Green Bay defender out of the way, wrestled another for the ball and was awarded a disputed touchdown on the final play.

But it was another 10 minutes before the game actually ended, when the Seattle Seahawks and the stunned Packers were called back on the field for the extra point.

Replacement ref rage may have peaked Monday night.

Just when it seemed that NFL coaches, players and fans couldn’t get any angrier, along came a fiasco that trumped any of the complaints from the weekend. The Seahawks’ 14-12 victory featured one of the most bizarre finishes in recent memory and was certain to reignite frustrations over the locked-out officials.

“Don’t ask me a question about the officials,” Green Bay coach Mike McCarthy said. “I’ve never seen anything like that in all my years in football.
http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/2664736-85/tate-packers-seattle-wilson-bay-green-ball-possession-touchdown-field#axzz27U3LB2lV

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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:50 am

From what I read and listened to this AM, no one but Seahawks think that was a touchdown. The Green Bay defender had both hands and arms wrapped around the ball. I havent heard or read from anyone who thinks they got that call right. What a travesty, it is time to start boycotting the NFL.
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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:35 pm

riff raff wrote:
From what I read and listened to this AM, no one but Seahawks think that was a touchdown. The Green Bay defender had both hands and arms wrapped around the ball. I havent heard or read from anyone who thinks they got that call right.

Sure you have...idbowman thinks they got the call right.
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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:07 pm

Yes indeed. In addition to my last post, I also posted the following on a different site:

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" The rules don't account for whose catch looked more like a catch...if both have possession - chested, hands-only, behind the back, upside down, whatever - it's simultaneous possession. That's it. You don't get style points. Steve's right...spike the ball like you're taught to do, and the game ends on an incomplete pass. Basically, the only way that was truly an interception, according to the NFL rules, was if the catch was made ONLY by the defender and if ONLY the defender maintained possession at the end of the play; in this case, that didn't happen. He definitely caught it more "cleanly" than Tate but the rulebook doesn't account for that. You catch it or you don't - all or nothing, not by degrees.

The refs called it according to the rulebook. Believe me, I can't stand the replacement refs either, but IN THIS CASE, blame the rules, not the officials.

And yeah, that interference was pretty obvious - but be HONEST now...how often do those go uncalled on a last-play-of-the-game toss up in the end zone?"


Like it or not, the call was pretty much according to the rulebook - but since everyone has already developed such a negative attitude towards the replacement refs (and absolutely, positively, rightfully so), it's taken on a whole new meaning. Instead of a bizarre finish, or something for the ESPN Bizarre Plays file, it turns into a cause for a lynch mob.
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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:03 pm

Because New Jersey has nothing better to deal with.. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE88O14V20120925?irpc=932



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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:03 pm

Obviously we need separation of church, state, and sports.

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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:03 pm

I say NJ should put Chris Christie in a Ref uniform and let him do the Jets/Giants games...

A Michigan Senator tweeted Roger Goodells office phone number earlier today.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-57519885/packers-backing-senator-tweets-roger-goodells-phone-number-over-monday-night-football-call/
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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:14 pm

There quite a few blown calls in that game. But, if you watch the replay closely when the defender hits the ground (down by contact) he and only he has posession of the ball. It isn't until after the wresling in the scrum start that the ball ends up in the receivers hands. It wasn't simultanious possession, at all.

Anywho....if this keeps up I'm going to have to find a new sport to watch.
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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:37 pm

A lot of people on the message boards I lurk on are coming to that conclusion.

The new NFL keeps exposing what it really is and what really animates it, and peoples' bullshit detectors are going off all over the place.

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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:17 am

scotties22 wrote:

Anywho....if this keeps up I'm going to have to find a new sport to watch.

I wish curling was on TV more often than every four years when the Olympics come around (completely serious). I also wish soccer was more readily available without having to subscribe to a ludicrously expensive package of channels (I get Fox Soccer Network, which is nice, but I wish I had more).
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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:23 am

Y'all do realize the refs are locked out for
$93,750 per team.

To put that in perspective..
The league minimum wage for a rookie is $390,000.
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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:01 am

A little more perspective.

According to Forbes the Average NFL team revenue in 2010 was a tad over $250,000,000. Correct my math if wrong but by truck driver figuring The NFL locked out those money grubbing filthy refs for a tad less than one third of one percent of average revenue.

Roughly the cost of about 700 beers per game, not including preseason or playoffs.
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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:42 pm

Wilcox & Gannon are saying the negotiations are open and the real refs will be back for week 4..


We will see.
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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:48 am

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PostSubject: Re: The Replacement Refs   Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:05 pm

They are back... my numbers were off.. it wasn't 92,750 it was 103,*** per team.. no wonder they locked them out. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Oh and while the players have pensions and the execs have golden parachutes the refs lose their pensions in 5 years.. YAY NFL!!!!
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