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alfredo_buscatti

Number of posts: 2129 Age: 58 Location: Piedmont, North Carolina Tobacco: Dark Flake, Escudo, aged Cumberland and Haddos, Cool Hand Fluke, Oriental Dusk, Old Dark Fired Pipe: cobs, wire-brush rusticated Jobey, Milville Dublin (my best smoker), tortoise-stained GBD billiard with white acrylic stem Registration date: 2007-12-16
 | Subject: Single Malt Value Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:32 pm | |
| I can get very good bourbon for ~$30 for 750 ml. For me this is Evan Williams Single Barrel Vintage or Woodford Reserve; in scotch McClelland's single malts are ~$25. For me McClellands is great scotch, especially the Islay.
Yet the typical single malt is at least $50, and they ascend rapidly; most are more in the range of $60-$90.
I think NC has a heavier tax than other states, but that's all I can get. I think I can get it cheaper online but then must pay shipping.
So my question is how can these upper-end single malts be worth two and three times as much as what I now regard as fine spirits? Perhaps their advocates drink an oz one or twice a week when they really want to savor the best. Is this like some out-of-production, fabled tobacco they you sip from only sporadically.
You will reply that they have fabulous flavor and complexity, in which case I may yet venture forth.
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|  | | puros_bran Nightrider

Number of posts: 9207 Registration date: 2007-12-10
 | Subject: Re: Single Malt Value Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:56 pm | |
| Mostly it's because Scotch is 'in' right now.
Just a few years back Vodka was the 'in' and some of it was going well over triple digits per 750ml.
Is it good stuff? Yes, is it worth that much? If you truely have the tongue for it then yes. For the other 99% of us probably not. Me? I'm a luddite of late. If its not Gin (preferably Beefeaters), vermouth (preferably Noilly Prat extra dry), and a green olive I'm really not interested... _________________ "Pacem en Puffing!"
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|  | | Puff Daddy

Number of posts: 5536 Age: 49 Location: South of heaven Tobacco: Mostly simple burleys these days Pipe: Stanwells and Petersons Registration date: 2007-12-09
 | Subject: Re: Single Malt Value Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:32 pm | |
| Well, the real value is in finding a good single malt at a good price. Though there are some really good expensive single malts worth the asking price, there are plenty of expensive single malts that are not. Not thatnthey aren't good, they just aren't that good. Of course, that's all relative, a matter of taste and how easy it is for you to spend $50, $60, $70 a bottle. There are some great malts in the $30-50 range (California prices) but there are some good bargains out there too.
Worth the money:
Lagavulin - $65 Bunnahabhain -$50 Aberlour A'Bunadh -$60 Ardbeg -$48
Good stuff at reasonable cost:
Aberlour 12 -$32 Old Pultney 12 -$34 Laphroaig -$34 _________________ These are horrible times and all sorts of horrible people are prospering, but we must never let this disturb our equanimity or deflect us from our sacred duty to annoy and hinder them at every turn.
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|  | | Dutch

Number of posts: 2535 Age: 47 Location: Athens Alabama Tobacco: http://tobaccocellar.com/Dutch Pipe: Moretti, Rolando Negoita, Ferndown, Boswell, Caminetto Lee Von Erck, Charatan, Il Duca, Viprati, L'Anatra, Sadik Yanik, GBD, Design Berlin, Peder Jeppesen, Peterson, Thomas Cristiano, Savinelli, Stanwell, Kaywoodie, Mark Tinsky, Jake Hackert, Radice, Preben Holm, Mastro de Paja, Nording, Mario Grandi, Missouri Meerschaum, Don Florian, Riccardo Santia, Aristocob, Ropp, Ardor.
Registration date: 2010-11-06
 | Subject: Re: Single Malt Value Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:03 pm | |
| Alfredo, not sure if you have ventured across state lines into Tennessee, but their selection of fine liquors is much better than here in Alabama, and the prices are much more affordable. Another thing I enjoy about Tennessee, is they carry a lot of limited editions, which may equal a nice decanter, or possibly some freebie item, to go along with your purchase.
As for single malts, I usually always keep a high grade version on hand, but personally my palate much prefers a good single barrel bourbon, regardless the price comparison. |
|  | | ScurvyDog

Number of posts: 23 Location: St. Augustine, FL Tobacco: FVF, University Flake, Frog Morton, Balkan Flake. Registration date: 2012-09-24
 | Subject: Re: Single Malt Value Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:22 am | |
| Also Scotch has to be imported, and comes from much further away (if you're in the US). Have you seen the cost of fuel? Some scotches are brought to the US in bulk containers and bottled in US but some are bottled where distilled.
Just keep sipping bourbon. |
|  | | Hereward

Number of posts: 153 Location: Florida Tobacco: Full Virginia Flake, Irish Flake, Blackhouse, Carter Hall Pipe: MM Diplomats, MM Diplomat w/ Forever Stem CW, Peterson 106 Army, Savinelli CW & BB Pot Registration date: 2012-08-02
 | Subject: Re: Single Malt Value Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:30 pm | |
| I look at fancy-shmancy scotch the same as I do golf. I'm sure it's great fun but that's one more expense I don't need.
If you do venture into a $100 bottle, maybe try to find someplace with a good selection and a good bartender to try to match your tastes to a particular type. Don't be afraid to tell them you would like to try the best, not the most expensive. That's usually in their marketing framework anyway.
I have a few friends that are really into scotch but when the topic comes up (bar, dinner party etc) I'm usually a too little tipsy to remember the technical specifics of their reason for purchasing a specific bottle.
I love scotch but I need a buffer like equal parts water. I wouldn't want to subject a single malt to any more than a thimble.
I'll stick to Johnny Walker Red and my staples Pimms, Bombay and Jamison. All are around $20-25 here. I'm not a Bourbon fan though. Too sweet...
People will swear they can taste the difference between Grey Goose and Brand X. Vodka varies between drinkable and rot gut. Having a neutral flavor is the point. Stolichnaya is a fine vodka at $20/750ml. |
|  | | Kyle Weiss

Number of posts: 11546 Location: Reno, NV Tobacco: SG-KP/SL/BBF, R-HOTW, MacB-VA#1/NF/ODF, GLP-Emb/US/JKP/SXT/Nav, D-EMP/NC, C&D-BB, JP-SF/OD, S-660, WTF, BBQ -- hissing at Old Lady Lakeland; Cajun Hater. Pipe: Slightly bent bulldogs, classy Rhodesians, venerable cobs, pithy pokers, curvy blowfish, sleek Canadians, and almost anything bizarre. Registration date: 2011-09-18
 | Subject: Re: Single Malt Value Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:23 am | |
| Auchentoshan (various) and The Singleton are among my favorite $35 +/- scotches.
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|  | | keen smoke

Number of posts: 86 Registration date: 2012-04-21
 | Subject: Re: Single Malt Value Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:26 pm | |
| There's a few things here I think - Scotch is kinda collectible, some people collect and keep sealed and others collect lots of bottles to build up and sample around small amounts from each here and there. Some of the more expensive malts are simply made in lesser volume that the cheaper ones, and perhaps with with deliberate methods, and supply/demand takes effect and collectibility drive the price up more. Others are just overpriced and not very good, and then others are overhyped and overpriced and just OK. At least in my experience, which isn't that extensive, but I've sampled quite a bit. Its all about what you like, as with anything else.
There are some great malts at the lower end, but if I don't want to spend more than $20-24 I go with bourbon. (Buffalo Trace, Elijah Craig 12yo, and Connor Creek stand out in my mind as incredibly good values.) |
|  | | Paul 2.0

Number of posts: 87 Location: Anderson, South Carolina Tobacco: Presbyterian Mixture.
Marlin Flake
SG Balkan Flake
Pipe: Registration date: 2011-10-27
 | Subject: Re: Single Malt Value Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:31 pm | |
| Depends, Ive had a few that werent worth it and some that were. I tend to towards Ardbeg and The Balvenie, granted they are very different, but they are equally adept at scratching the same itch when the mood calls for it.
Bourbon I tend to head towards Willett over all others, even the mighty Pappy Van Winkle (overpriced) |
|  | | cds43

Number of posts: 118 Location: Hendersonville, NC Tobacco: Still trying to figure it out. Pipe: Abe Herbaugh, Castello, Dr. Grabow, Dunhill, Rad Davis, Joby, Peterson, Savinelli, MM Cobs, I love them all! Registration date: 2012-09-05
 | Subject: Re: Single Malt Value Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:07 pm | |
| I would probably have to do some looking for a good $30 single malt. I have a bunnahabhain 12 that I paid $39 in SC. And you are right, NC has some high taxes and a fairly crappy selection of good spirits. This is my absolute favorite single malt, but it runs about $54 in SC.  |
|  | | cds43

Number of posts: 118 Location: Hendersonville, NC Tobacco: Still trying to figure it out. Pipe: Abe Herbaugh, Castello, Dr. Grabow, Dunhill, Rad Davis, Joby, Peterson, Savinelli, MM Cobs, I love them all! Registration date: 2012-09-05
 | Subject: Re: Single Malt Value Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:09 pm | |
| | keen smoke wrote: | There's a few things here I think - Scotch is kinda collectible, some people collect and keep sealed and others collect lots of bottles to build up and sample around small amounts from each here and there. Some of the more expensive malts are simply made in lesser volume that the cheaper ones, and perhaps with with deliberate methods, and supply/demand takes effect and collectibility drive the price up more. Others are just overpriced and not very good, and then others are overhyped and overpriced and just OK. At least in my experience, which isn't that extensive, but I've sampled quite a bit. Its all about what you like, as with anything else.
There are some great malts at the lower end, but if I don't want to spend more than $20-24 I go with bourbon. (Buffalo Trace, Elijah Craig 12yo, and Connor Creek stand out in my mind as incredibly good values.) | [u]
I have a little problem with that. Small compared to others.
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|  | | Puff Daddy

Number of posts: 5536 Age: 49 Location: South of heaven Tobacco: Mostly simple burleys these days Pipe: Stanwells and Petersons Registration date: 2007-12-09
 | Subject: Re: Single Malt Value Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:11 pm | |
| Excellent choice on the Springbank, that's fantastic stuff. They malt their own barley in house, bottle at 46%, and add no artificial coloring. It's darned good stuff. Runs about $58 a bottle here. _________________ These are horrible times and all sorts of horrible people are prospering, but we must never let this disturb our equanimity or deflect us from our sacred duty to annoy and hinder them at every turn.
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|  | | Harlock999

Number of posts: 5006 Location: Los Angeles Tobacco:
English
Pipe:
Italiano Registration date: 2010-10-22
 | Subject: Re: Single Malt Value Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:54 pm | |
| I wish I could drink Ardbeg and Lagavulin all the time, but I can't afford to. I did just pick up a bottle of Glenlivet 12 for $22.00, and it'll get me through the night... |
|  | | WaydeG

Number of posts: 168 Age: 55 Location: DFW - Frisco, Tx Tobacco: MM 965, Black Mallory, Squadron Leader Pipe: GBD Prehistoric, Rattray Volcano, assorted MM cobs - love 'em Registration date: 2011-05-01
 | Subject: Re: Single Malt Value Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:01 pm | |
| | cds43 wrote: | | keen smoke wrote: | There's a few things here I think - Scotch is kinda collectible, some people collect and keep sealed and others collect lots of bottles to build up and sample around small amounts from each here and there. Some of the more expensive malts are simply made in lesser volume that the cheaper ones, and perhaps with with deliberate methods, and supply/demand takes effect and collectibility drive the price up more. Others are just overpriced and not very good, and then others are overhyped and overpriced and just OK. At least in my experience, which isn't that extensive, but I've sampled quite a bit. Its all about what you like, as with anything else.
There are some great malts at the lower end, but if I don't want to spend more than $20-24 I go with bourbon. (Buffalo Trace, Elijah Craig 12yo, and Connor Creek stand out in my mind as incredibly good values.) | [u]
I have a little problem with that. Small compared to others.
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Oh my dear Lord. I'm currently up for adoption...
Harlock, I just picked up a bottle of Ardbeg 10yo. Wow! The peat/smokiness hit me right between the eyes. It has a fairly similar nose and finish like a good pipe tobacco. (Weird) I see that Balvenie peking outta the back. Also good stuff. |
|  | | Harlock999

Number of posts: 5006 Location: Los Angeles Tobacco:
English
Pipe:
Italiano Registration date: 2010-10-22
 | Subject: Re: Single Malt Value Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:22 pm | |
| | WaydeG wrote: | | Harlock, I just picked up a bottle of Ardbeg 10yo. Wow! The peat/smokiness hit me right between the eyes. It has a fairly similar nose and finish like a good pipe tobacco. |
Absolutely! The Islay malts produce an aroma that compares very favorably to a strong English blend tobacco, which you seem to enjoy as well. Cheers!
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