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alfredo_buscatti

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PostSubject: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:48 pm

Do you know the status for pipes and cigars? Do you believe that it will pass and make the already ~200% taxes for cigarettes and RYO equally applicable?
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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:26 pm

Why shouldnt it? Shouldn't everyone pay their fair share.
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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:12 pm

Bring it on, I have enough in my cellar, the FDA can go suck eggs. We knew this was coming before this, then they announced pending regulation a year ago and I took it seriously. The only regret I have is one of my favorite tobaccos not being available during the last year so that I could buy a couple more pounds, other than that I'm good to go.

If you didn't pay attention last year, if you haven't taken this seriously up til now, you better get online and start buying some tobacco. No room for crying after all the notice they gave us.
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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:10 pm

puros_bran wrote:
Why shouldnt it? Shouldn't everyone pay their fair share.

Depends. Who gets to decide what's "fair?"
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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:18 pm

personally I think the fate of it all lays on how many cigar and pipe smokers are voting on the poroposal, or how many of them have anything personally to do with the commerce of tobacco
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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:23 pm

Links?
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PostSubject: Stupid kids    Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:53 pm

It's my generation being stupid... Of course my peers are all for smoking their precious green for its "medicinal and spiritual" qualities... But tobacco is criminal... Haha maybe I'm a little oldschool at heart.....
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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:07 pm

Whether or not we'll see a hike like this, the FDA will probably start making some ugly changes soon. I just bought 4lbs of some of my favs. A little Tax Return PAD to ensure I've got the goods for a while. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:07 pm

BigCasino wrote:
personally I think the fate of it all lays on how many cigar and pipe smokers are voting on the poroposal, or how many of them have anything personally to do with the commerce of tobacco

There is no vote. Per the Family Tobacco Control Act of 2010, the FDA was given the authority to regulate tobacco any way they see fit. It began with cigarettes and moist snuff, so you can look there to see what it will mean for "other tobacco products". They publish their regulation this year, supposedly April.
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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:15 pm

When does it go into effect??

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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:18 pm

We'll have to wait for the regulation for any details.
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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:32 pm

I remember seeing a a government page with all pending bills listed for the public to follow. I can't seem to find it. Do any of the bros happen to have have a link to it?

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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:02 pm

It's not a bill... it's an internal FDA regulation.. No votes, just a nameless administrative process and blamo.. taxation baby! I love it!


It's going to be great in The United States of YESWECAN!
But don't worry they won't tax any of YOU.. it's only for the vile rich people. AND it's for the children.. AWESOME! Pay Up Suckers!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:30 pm

While its true that FDA was given control of regulating tobacco, that power was granted by Congress right? If they do anything that enough legislators (or influencers) don't like, Congress can easily override them and/or change what or how much they can actually do. Some in Congress have already warned that that will happen, if I remember correctly.

Will Congress actually do that if the FDA taxes the shit out of non-cigarette/smokeless tobacco sales? Will they think the FDA goes too far? Dunno, a lot probably depends on how much the cigar industry can spend to lobby. And the pipe tobacco industry can only hope to continue beeing seen as part of the "premium-tobacco-that-kids-aren't-that-into" category with the cigars.
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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:34 pm

Examine what you said Bro....

Will Congress reign in a division of the administrative branch if it starts padding the General Fund... SURE.. Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:41 pm

There's only two things the FDA has to go through Congress to do:

1) Complete elimination of nicotine.
2) Complete banning of tobacco.

Other than those two items, the FDA can do anything it see's fit, such as reducing nicotine to miniscule levels. Dictating how any tobacco product is manufactured, marketed or displayed. Eliminating any tobacco sampling and walk-in cigar humidors. Requiring graphic labeling on all tobacco products. Requiring manufacturers to submit tests results (nicotine yields, flavorings, etc.) on EVERY tobacco blend or cigar they make or plan to, resulting in tens of thousands of dollars in added costs. The list goes on.

The eventual outcome is reduced choice, higher prices, and some manufacturers quitting the business entirely. But THAT'S the goal. Remember, the anti-tobacco forces want the complete elimination of tobacco. The FDA legislation is the pathway to that goal. Slowly, incrementally progressing to that end. In the not too distant future, tobacco will still be available, but at tremedous cost. Also, through FDA control, the end product will be so un-palatable and flavorless, folks will just plain quit.

Find your favorites and stock up now. Tobacco will never be cheaper and more available than it is today.

No cheers.

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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:52 pm

But... But... I just started this wonderful hobby D:
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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:20 pm

If I were younger I'd buy a 5-lb bag of a nice Va, an English and an aro (Revelation, maybe) and spend some time stuffing Mason jars. Very cost-effective.
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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:07 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:39 pm

I have done some math recently, and if I want a good hedge against this, I need to spend $3,800 =/- this year (preferably before June, from some sources I've read regarding the actual speed and efficiency any permanent price effect that will take place), in order to have enough tobacco to literally last me for the next 50 years. Considering doing this piecemeal would end up costing me about ten times this amount in the long run, provided tobacco isn't completely banned before then, I can see plenty of people depleting stocks quickly as the information sinks into people's heads--adding further dismay into the ordeal.

May our leaf age well, my friends, because it really isn't going to get any better/cheaper. Beyond black market, home growing or efficient use of what we have: we're screwed, so plan now.

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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:36 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
I have done some math recently, and if I want a good hedge against this, I need to spend $3,800 =/- this year (preferably before June, from some sources I've read regarding the actual speed and efficiency any permanent price effect that will take place), in order to have enough tobacco to literally last me for the next 50 years. Considering doing this piecemeal would end up costing me about ten times this amount in the long run, provided tobacco isn't completely banned before then, I can see plenty of people depleting stocks quickly as the information sinks into people's heads--adding further dismay into the ordeal.

May our leaf age well, my friends, because it really isn't going to get any better/cheaper. Beyond black market, home growing or efficient use of what we have: we're screwed, so plan now.

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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:37 pm

...plan B... make a ton of money and not give a damn, buy what I want. cheers

See? It ain't all bad.

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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:29 pm

I will probably pick up another 20-30 lbs or so between now and March/April. After that if internet sales go away I will buy local until the cost becomes to prohibitive.

I thought about trying to get a lifetime supply but I don't think I will. If I can get a retirement supply put back that would be pretty good.

Since I primarily have Virginias and VaPers put back I plan on letting it age.

A lot of the bulks I like are the less expensive C&D bulks. With current Louisiana prices I could spend $600.00 a year and still add to the cellar. If the taxes jack way up I may do a combination of buying local and smoking less.
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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:15 pm

Slide wrote:

I thought about trying to get a lifetime supply but I don't think I will. If I can get a retirement supply put back that would be pretty good.

I think about that a lot. Considering the condition of tins of tobacco from 30 years ago, I'd like to think we've come a long way into impervious containers that will last forever, but that's a tough order to fill. Which is why I won't go out and spend $4,000 in six months to say "...there! That's done!" I'll keep cellaring until I can't possibly smoke what I have in 15 years (give or take) and supplement until it gets cost-prohibitive. Then grow and learn about tobacco on my own. Then, and maybe then, I'll be 85 years old and remember the good ole days. Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Status Pending/New Federal Tobacco Legislation   Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:38 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
Considering the condition of tins of tobacco from 30 years ago, I'd like to think we've come a long way into impervious containers that will last forever, but that's a tough order to fill.

My purchases are primarily bulks and stored in mason jars. The tin concern was not the reason for the bulk purchases. That is because I am a cheap (thrifty) bastard Laughing The one large tin purchase was Hearth and Home. I am a little concerned about those tins. They are not as substantial as C&D and Pease tins.
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