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Kyle Weiss

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PostSubject: Re: Finnish education   Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:00 pm

Listen to PeeB...he's more educated than I am...I had to go back two years later for my Good Enough Diploma. Laughing

He's right though, the superfluous college classes that extend the four year stay at New-Adult Daycare are useless (but fun, I guess, to some) material to make sure tuitions are plump.

At least CDL training gives folks that go there something; art school hasn't produced as many good artists, per attendance and completion. Especially for the kind of dough they ask for. Art school. Feh. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Finnish education   Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:29 pm

My wife attended school in the Soviet Union. She is amazed that college students here have to take so called "core curriculum" course the first 2 years. She spent 4 years working on her degree (a soft one Mad ) with only major courses. If you didn't get the basics in high school you are out of luck in college.

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PostSubject: Re: Finnish education   Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:27 pm

Education systems have always reflected the society that they exist in and the demands that society wants to impose on them. At one time education was focused on "learning and knowledge" but with our Corporate/Commerce dominated society we've turned our University system into High Tech Trade schools that try and turn out the "high skill" workers the Corporations want, ready to turn out the goods and gadgets they want us to buy and consume. As one of my managers at a mill I worked at said "... I don't want 'em to think, just get the product out the damn door." We are a society focussed on PROCESS, not THOUGHT so we get what we demand in our education system. If that were'nt so, we would change it. Twisted Evil Onward thru the Fog Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Finnish education   Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:27 pm

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PostSubject: Finnish education   Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:24 pm

Kyle said: "....I watched my peers dwindle in confidence, financially, and emotionally as they adhered to this unidirectional scholastic path, it became an important lesson for me: don't walk down that dark alley, you'll get mugged. How do I know? I've watched it happen. I didn't need first-hand experience to teach me that."

What I find amazing is that Kyle got it......while most of us didn't....and suffered for it for the rest of our lives. Good for you, having uncommon sense...6 years of college and still dumb and a rock.
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PostSubject: Re: Finnish education   Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:16 am

I went to a university for one year and then dropped out when I had a kid at 20. No problem, I'm a hard worker and have a personality where if I can get them to actually give me an interview I can get the job most of the time. Most of my friends stayed in college and have no kids. I am the one doing off better. scratch

I got the life experience they didn't fast and in a hurry though. I started an industrial job at 19 working 6 12's a week when I found out about the baby. I felt I learned more about life and responsibility in a month in an oil pipe manufacturer than the whole year at USM.

Now where I work the problem is I can't get that interview with out a degree, need to go back but the idea taking a three hour long class on music history make me want to run back to the mill. I like music but after an hour of talking about Bach's child hood and nothing about music composition or the like , I just zone out.

They make it easy for people who shouldn't be in college to survive where they shouldn't be able to, they worry about making the college look good and not about what you'd learn. I'd make 110 on my chemistry 101 test but they wanted us to do 6 hours of online home work a week and they'd give you a 100 test grade for it. The online home work was easy because if you got the answer wrong it'd show you the answer and give you the same question again. The online course made sure there was not skipping through the home work either, forced you go through the whole problem, there was not skipping to the end and inputting the answer. Spoke with my professor and told him that I was not doing the ignorant online crap and he agreed it was ridiculous but said there was nothing he could do about it. Kids making 60's and 50's on their tests made higher grades than me because they did online learning where you got a hundred if you learned nothing and just spent the time. Evil or Very Mad

Sorry for the rant.
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PostSubject: Re: Finnish education   Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:03 pm

i.keenum wrote:

They make it easy for people who shouldn't be in college to survive where they shouldn't be able to, they worry about making the college look good and not about what you'd learn. I'd make 110 on my chemistry 101 test but they wanted us to do 6 hours of online home work a week and they'd give you a 100 test grade for it. The online home work was easy because if you got the answer wrong it'd show you the answer and give you the same question again. The online course made sure there was not skipping through the home work either, forced you go through the whole problem, there was not skipping to the end and inputting the answer. Spoke with my professor and told him that I was not doing the ignorant online crap and he agreed it was ridiculous but said there was nothing he could do about it. Kids making 60's and 50's on their tests made higher grades than me because they did online learning where you got a hundred if you learned nothing and just spent the time. Evil or Very Mad

Sorry for the rant.
Higher ed has become factories turning out sheepskins for people so HR departments can look, see a sheepskin, and put it in the 'second look' pile. They have a sheepskin so it must be important. If it wasn't important, then they have have wasted their time and money which makes them foolish/stupid. They don't want to feel stupid/foolish ergo it must be important. It is like people, having bought a piece of crap, will recommend it to you.
Used to be you "can't get a good job without a HS diploma". Then everyone got a HS diploma. Bar has been raised. "Can't get a good job without a degree". Bar raised. "can't get a good job without an advanced degree". Pretty soon you'll have to a Doctorate to be a bank teller...but then you would be "over qualified" and they won't hire you anyway! Son has two degrees, works as a part time teacher. One of the degrees is to be a middle-school math teacher. Go figure!
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PostSubject: Re: Finnish education   Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:39 pm

What poured gas on the "education" fire was the "civil rights" legislation that forced human resource departments to come up with an "objective" reason why they hired somebody civilised instead of a street thug from the inner city with sub-minimum mental ability.

It pushes the conditioned "racist" button, but all the old cliches are true, "racial" or not. And the people who had enough motivation to at least drift through a bit of "higher education" tended to be color-sortable -- a pattern that time hasn't changed much.

As with anything else, every attempt to impose "justice" only imposes injustice.

In some fields, it's a way to keep worthless college programs going at gunpoint. You CANNOT be a teacher in a public school, for example, unless you have several pieces of very expensive paper that prove you're a robot. Same with "counseling" and other rackets. Without that, most of the people in both fields would be counter help at Booger King.

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PostSubject: Re: Finnish education   Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:56 pm

It's an inevitable pattern. When an institution begins, it has a practical, goal-oriented, few/no frills outlook. But a mature institution is populated by people who are protecting their prerogatives and self interests. Doesn't matter whether it's Hogwash U, GM or the United States congress. At some point soaking up benefits and pensions takes over.
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