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PostSubject: Mason Jar Ambiance   Tue May 07, 2013 9:10 am

I see everyone wanting/using/buying Mason jars with fancy two piece lids. That is great if you are canning peaches. This is tobacco storage and often under a bed.

Look at what comes home from the store. Smucker's Strawberry Preserves! Rago Sauce! A host of others. Run'em through the dishwasher. Is it, "Look at how all my jars match. I am so foo-foo I could be an interior decorator." or "Hey, it may be eclectic but it works for a he-man."

Stone up, guys! (Yak exempted)
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Tue May 07, 2013 9:38 am

a flat of mason jars is $8 at half a dozen stores within walking distance of your house, and they form an airtight seal. They work and they're cheap.

use old food jars if you like, but I have a hundred pounds of tobacco that I need to be smokable tonight, next year, and with any luck 20 years from now
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Tue May 07, 2013 10:18 am

sisyphus wrote:
a flat of mason jars is $8 at half a dozen stores within walking distance of your house, and they form an airtight seal. They work and they're cheap.

You need to define my walking distance. My closest grocery is about 4.5 miles. I'm not a fast walker and coming back holding a few cases wouldn't be my preferred activity for the day. Beats a boulder I guess.

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use old food jars if you like, but I have a hundred pounds of tobacco that I need to be smokable tonight, next year, and with any luck 20 years from now

Let me see: "They're cheap"
$8/12 = .75 -- typical storage: 4 oz. -- # = 16 oz -- quantity 100#

.75 x 400 = $300

That's a darn nice pipe or a substantial addition to the cellar. Reverse economy of scale here. Smile

Versus: airtight seal but not food grade for zip. Unless the modest ring in the jar is damage, there will be no air leakage.

Actually, I thought the first attempt at bring me into the fold would discuss retained odor after washing. That is a possibility in some rare instance and one of the minor reasons God gave us noses.


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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Tue May 07, 2013 10:20 am

JKenP wrote:

Let me see: "They're cheap"
$8/12 = .75 -- typical storage: 4 oz. -- # = 16 oz -- quantity 100#

.75 x 400 = $300

$300 vs $10k in tobacco, I'll spend the $300
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Tue May 07, 2013 10:23 am

The most cost effective way to smoke is to buy tins and smoke it "fresh" as we used to. No one figures in thier "labour " cost in jarring 'bac so it's all moot anyway as far as EXACT figures. But I don't smoke with any thought of fiduciary matters. IT DON"T MATTER, Mason Jars WORK as many here have shown so ya use what YOU want and works for you. Snobbery as far as what one uses to "cellar" their 'bac is STUPID Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Tue May 07, 2013 10:27 am

No problem, Sisyphus. God Bless!

I have no problem with exceptions for those 3σ from the standard deviation.
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Tue May 07, 2013 10:55 am

@monbla256

Not really stupid. But, ego can play a part in any of our activities.

I have a little bit of some Vintage Virginia and Vintage Syrian from McB that is still around a year later. I think the Va is a bit smoother. I think the Syrian might have been better then. Nothing wrong with Empiricism in pursuit of a smoke, right?

In my 70's now, my olfactory organs aren't in their prime either. I seldom detect notes of lavender, leather and such. So, I am not one who's a serious candidate for an ancient cellar at multiple levels. I smoke for my pleasure and that is a modest goal. If someone want to go far beyond that, that is his pleasure. I was just saying there is a simple, viable alternative for many who are more interested in playing with a modest aging attempt.

TAD is in the eyes of the beholder and his personal choice -- even as lawmakers seek to limit that further. And, it always helps to laugh at ourselves more than at others.

P.S. Nice Derby day! 8:1 is a real catch!
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Tue May 07, 2013 11:11 am

I buy mason jars, store my baccy in mason jars, like the fact that i'm 99.9 % sure my product will keep well in mason jars that i vacuum seal. Have a system of rotation that works for me transfering from 500 ml to 250 ml jars for usage if larger amounts than normal are stored. (usually use the 250 ml jars).
90% of my tobacco is bought in bulk so this is what works for me.

I sell honey to people in clean new jars & it drives me friggin nuts when they bring back pickle jars & such for refills saying what's the difference. So i fill them making sure customers who want a clean pure product get it the others can have thier pickle/raspberry honey if they don't want to pay $1.00 for a new jar and the next time they bring a jar for refill they are packing a brand new jar. Hmm go fiqure.

To each thier own, do what you prefer and works for you.
If looking at other people's storage & jars bothers you, Don't waste time looking at them & mostly don't start a topic to further the issue. Come to think of it i've got things to do & this is a waste of time, i'm done with it.
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Tue May 07, 2013 11:14 am

I've been telling folk on a tight budget to use old jam jars and the such for a time now, I think it's put me straight in the 'yobbo band' to be honest, but I aint got the cash to build a cellar and have no use for these mason jars, I use an old jam jar to keep my baccy well and healthy through each month, works wonders for me. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Tue May 07, 2013 12:31 pm

My OCD would kick in big time if I had 50 different jar types running around. I like 'em the same, all alike and like each other. Very Happy The only way jam jars would work well for me is if they were all the same.

Sign me up for interior decorating I guess.

The other day my wife was putting the dishes away. We have one of those open cabinets where you store the plates vertically, so you can see each one. Well, we have blue plates and orange plates, and we ALWAYS arrange them, blue, orange, blue orange, and so on.

Well, as she was putting them away I noticed that she was taking the time to turn each plate so that the flowers were all facing up... 5) I said out loud, "I wish I hadn't seen you do that." She ask why. "Because I had never noticed the direction of the flowers before, but now that I have, it's going to drive me nuts if they're not the same."

I'm not always OCD....but when I am, I'm OCD about tobacco jars and plates. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Tue May 07, 2013 12:41 pm

Well, all I can suggest is you consume a lot of PB&J's. Smucker's has lovely checkered tops to boot. Not sure how your wife will handle that though. Maybe you are best of sticking with the plain topped storage.
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Tue May 07, 2013 4:52 pm

I'm lazy. I write on the grocery list "wide mouth quart size mason jars" and the boss picks them up. I cut the top of the plastic wrapping off. Remove bottles, fill, put a label on top of the jar and replace in the flat. Flat gets full, sticky note on what the contents of the flat are and stick it in back of the plastic on the flat. The flats stack so they aren't going to tip unless we get a good earthquake. And the wide mouth jars I can almost get a hand in.
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Thu May 16, 2013 4:16 am

I second Growley's opinion. I only get OCD about my pipes/tobacco and my tools. The tools get wiped down with WD40 after each use and put in their proper place. Nothing more vexxing than when a neibor borrows a tool and returns it gunky or rusty! (That's why Mrs Fox has her own tools... yet for some reason, she still borrows mine and doesn't put 'em back when she's done Evil or Very Mad )
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Thu May 16, 2013 5:25 am

sisyphus wrote:
JKenP wrote:

Let me see: "They're cheap"
$8/12 = .75 -- typical storage: 4 oz. -- # = 16 oz -- quantity 100#

.75 x 400 = $300

$300 vs $10k in tobacco, I'll spend the $300

IMHO
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My cost of mason jars was about $50 to protect an $800 tobacco investment. (So far, only been a pipe smoker for about 7 months.) Then considering I only really use about $30 in mason jars right now to protect my investment. The other jars are always clean and ready to go if I have a sudden TAD attack. I don't have to choke down some salsa with potato chips just because I purchased some pipe weed.

...and then there is this how to properly age your tobacco FAQ guide.
http://pipesandcigars.com/agpito.html

Not to mention with a Mason jar you can ALWAYS opt for a new lid quickly if the old one doesn't seem to be sealing right. Don't have to switch jars or scour the house for a matching lid. The uniformity of mason jars also plays a big factor. I know how much tobacco (on average) I can fit in each jar without playing the guessing game. Which brings me to my next point, there is a huge plethora of mason jar shapes and sizes to chose from as well as 2 mouth (lid) sizes. So if I choose to cellar a single ounce I use the pint jars, 4-6 (or more depending on cut) ounces is a quart jar, I even have a few tiny jam jars that hold less than 1/2 an ounce because I have a few samples of rare tobaccos from far away places gifted to me by friends from far away places. Then there is the accessories that go with mason canning jars like canning funnels, lid stickers, lid markers, etc, etc. that make cellaring/aging easier for everyone to do.


O.K. I think that's at least my $2.50 worth of opinionated input.



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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Thu May 16, 2013 6:16 am

I already have 100's of mason jars in all sizes from 1 oz to 64 oz, we almost always have a garden and we preserve our own saur kraut, beans, tomatoes, pickles, peppers, jellies, and anything else we can, so using a mason jar doesnt add any extra cost, oh and there are tons and tons of mason jars at yard sales and flea markets, a couple of years ago we cleaned out a whole basement of jars for $10.00 and we left all the non canning jars they were using like old mayo and jelly jars that have a good chance of not sealing correctly
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Thu May 16, 2013 9:25 pm

Stick it where ever ya likes I reckon! Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Thu May 16, 2013 9:45 pm


I use these jars almost exclusively. I don't buy a lot of bulk tobacco, so I rarely need or want anything larger (save the 16 oz variety of this jar for things that come in 100g tins). I like them because they're most like the original tins - shallow, with a wide mouth, and small enough that they don't leave a lot of room for moisture to escape the tobacco - but unlike those tins, they keep my weed moist. Right now, I've got a couple of dozen of them in use, mainly so I can smoke what I want, when I want it. I'm not using them expressly for aging tobacco, that's just a happy consequence of my modest smoking habit and ADD. I've got unopened tins full of stuff that is aging, I guess.

I don't use reclaimed jars because they are often too big, too narrow to reach in and get a pinch, and I'm not sure about the seals. Mason jars are tried and true for me, and I don't want to go back to worrying about my tobacco if I'm not smoking it at the moment.
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Fri May 17, 2013 9:54 am

HCraven wrote:

I use these jars almost exclusively. I don't buy a lot of bulk tobacco, so I rarely need or want anything larger (save the 16 oz variety of this jar for things that come in 100g tins). I like them because they're most like the original tins - shallow, with a wide mouth, and small enough that they don't leave a lot of room for moisture to escape the tobacco - but unlike those tins, they keep my weed moist. Right now, I've got a couple of dozen of them in use, mainly so I can smoke what I want, when I want it. I'm not using them expressly for aging tobacco, that's just a happy consequence of my modest smoking habit and ADD. I've got unopened tins full of stuff that is aging, I guess.

I don't use reclaimed jars because they are often too big, too narrow to reach in and get a pinch, and I'm not sure about the seals. Mason jars are tried and true for me, and I don't want to go back to worrying about my tobacco if I'm not smoking it at the moment.

The fact that these won't stack nicely drives me insane. For that reason - and that reason alone - I prefer the 8oz "jam style" mason jars for saving opened tins and the 16oz wide mouths for larger bulk purchases.
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Fri May 17, 2013 11:22 am

Dave_In_Philly wrote:
HCraven wrote:

I use these jars almost exclusively. I don't buy a lot of bulk tobacco, so I rarely need or want anything larger (save the 16 oz variety of this jar for things that come in 100g tins). I like them because they're most like the original tins - shallow, with a wide mouth, and small enough that they don't leave a lot of room for moisture to escape the tobacco - but unlike those tins, they keep my weed moist. Right now, I've got a couple of dozen of them in use, mainly so I can smoke what I want, when I want it. I'm not using them expressly for aging tobacco, that's just a happy consequence of my modest smoking habit and ADD. I've got unopened tins full of stuff that is aging, I guess.

I don't use reclaimed jars because they are often too big, too narrow to reach in and get a pinch, and I'm not sure about the seals. Mason jars are tried and true for me, and I don't want to go back to worrying about my tobacco if I'm not smoking it at the moment.

The fact that these won't stack nicely drives me insane. For that reason - and that reason alone - I prefer the 8oz "jam style" mason jars for saving opened tins and the 16oz wide mouths for larger bulk purchases.


The fact that these won't stack properly drives me up a wall. The only way to keep them stacked and stable is to invert the top jar so that lid is balanced on lid...and that's just damn silly. I used half a flat's worth of these because I had them on hand (oddly, I don't remember ever buying them), and will never make that mistake again.
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Fri May 17, 2013 2:12 pm

Not surprisingly, I find value in both types of jars, be the re-purposed or canning-type jars. Here's why:

Mason/Ball/Kerr jars have seals that are designed to last. If this isn't obvious at first glance, head into a grandparent's or great-grandparent's cellar (and I mean traditional cellar, as in root cellar or something) and there's a likelihood you'll find jars of pickles, veggies, kraut, what have you--some of it forgotten since Eisenhower was president, and there's still an intact seal. I prefer the wide-mouth 4oz jars--they stack, spread out the load of a bulk purchase, so you can smoke some as you see fit, or leave them to age for a while.

Retail product jars/lids have seals that are meant to last the shelf life of the product--likely not more than five years, in most cases, and that saves the spaghetti/barbecue sauce companies manufacturing cost. Not to mention, the five year estimate (which is totally a guess) is for an un-tampered seal, not one that's been through openings and closings for two weeks using the product and then a sound cleaning. I'd say you'd get a couple of years best out of re-purposed jars.

So--why do I use them? I've amassed a small collection of 1oz and 2oz baby food jars that get re-purposed for 'bacca. They hold small samples of tobacco wonderfully, and hold in goodness longer than a plastic bag. Great for the collecting the dregs of multiple tins of the a favorite leaf over time, rehydrating, making small-batch home blends in tiny quantities, and for travel.

If they work for your system, have at it. Everything is useful with the right approach.
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Fri May 17, 2013 2:38 pm

I prefer to store my aging MCClelland in old Ketchup jars. Just wipe out the Ketchup and you're ready to store.
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Fri May 17, 2013 2:50 pm

gravel wrote:
I prefer to store my aging MCClelland in old Ketchup jars. Just wipe out the Ketchup and you're ready to store.

Aaahhhh A true afficionado Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Fri May 17, 2013 9:00 pm

idbowman wrote:
Dave_In_Philly wrote:
HCraven wrote:

I use these jars almost exclusively. I don't buy a lot of bulk tobacco, so I rarely need or want anything larger (save the 16 oz variety of this jar for things that come in 100g tins). I like them because they're most like the original tins - shallow, with a wide mouth, and small enough that they don't leave a lot of room for moisture to escape the tobacco - but unlike those tins, they keep my weed moist. Right now, I've got a couple of dozen of them in use, mainly so I can smoke what I want, when I want it. I'm not using them expressly for aging tobacco, that's just a happy consequence of my modest smoking habit and ADD. I've got unopened tins full of stuff that is aging, I guess.

I don't use reclaimed jars because they are often too big, too narrow to reach in and get a pinch, and I'm not sure about the seals. Mason jars are tried and true for me, and I don't want to go back to worrying about my tobacco if I'm not smoking it at the moment.

The fact that these won't stack nicely drives me insane. For that reason - and that reason alone - I prefer the 8oz "jam style" mason jars for saving opened tins and the 16oz wide mouths for larger bulk purchases.

The fact that these won't stack properly drives me up a wall. The only way to keep them stacked and stable is to invert the top jar so that lid is balanced on lid...and that's just damn silly. I used half a flat's worth of these because I had them on hand (oddly, I don't remember ever buying them), and will never make that mistake again.

No argument about their lack of stackability, as it were. I keep mine in a couple of large, shallow drawers in a buffet. Kerr makes a nice 4oz jar that is similar but tapered, and stacks well, but then you need two per tin.
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Sat May 18, 2013 2:18 pm

I buy in bulk for aging almost exlusively, and have gravitated toward half-pint Mason jars, often double-wrapped in plastic sheets. Plenty airtight for protracted periods, I've found. While appreciating the reuse of food jars from an ecological and thrift POV, I don't find them convenient or aesthetically pleasing for tobacco storage. Besides, a pack of twelve Mason half-pinters only costs a little more than a tube of stem polish or a couple bags of pipe cleaners. I'd rather splurge on the .80 cost of the Mason jar than confine my Gawith Best Brown in a jar that says Ragu or Hellman's on the cap.
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PostSubject: Re: Mason Jar Ambiance   Sat May 18, 2013 7:43 pm

I get a flat of wide mouth mason jars. Cut the plastic off of the top so I can access the jars. Pull a jar out, fill it, stick a label on top with contents & month/year. Flats stack just fine. Might not be at all decorative, more grocery store industrial, but it works..
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