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PostSubject: Which VAPER is Best?   Wed May 29, 2013 10:58 pm

Virginia Perique blends are my favorite. That said, I have not sampled a huge variety. I found that I really like Escudo, DNR, Frog Morton on the Bayou, Bullseye and Haddo's Delight, and those are the ones I have stuck with over the years.

Now that I'm 50, I decided it was time to get adventurous. So, I perused this site, tobaccoreviews.com, and other sites to identify which other VAPERS that others have said good things about. I compiled a list and ordered them from various online retailers, including 4Noggins and Cup O'Joe's. They have now arrived. This is the list:

Rattray's Hal O' the Wynd
McClelland St. James Woods
McClelland Beacon
McClelland Beacon Extra
McClelland Black Parrot
Astley's No. 2
Bullseye Luxury Flake
Former's Cross Grain Flake
Cornell & Diehl Kajun Cake
Cornell & Diehl Bayou Morning Flake
Cornell & Diehl Frog Morton on the Bayou
Davidoff Flake Medallions
McConnell's Scottish Flake
Solani 633
Reiner Blend 71
Gawaith St. James Flake
Escudo
DNR
Pease Haddo's Delight

So, my questions:

1) Which currently available blends am I missing? (Comments on past blends are welcome too)

2) Is there a consus as to which ones are better than others?



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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Wed May 29, 2013 11:12 pm

Add Rattray's Marlin Flane and Old Gowrie. Both top notch VaPers in my book. Beacon is the tinned version of the McC 2015 bulk.

Some others to consider, but not always available:

G&H Louisiana Perique Flake

GLP Fillmore

GLP Stratford

GLP Triple Play

Peterson's Irish Oak

Stokkebye Luxury Bullseye Flake

Stokkebye Luxury Navy Flake

C&D Exhausted Rooster

H&H Anniversary Kake (or Cake, can't remember off the top of my head)

Heinrich's Curly Cut

Dan's Hamborger Veermeister















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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Wed May 29, 2013 11:16 pm

A couple to add-

McConnell's Scottish Cake (Used to my favorite)
Ashton Revival Black Parrot

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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Wed May 29, 2013 11:38 pm

Although from another forum, this is a good comparison of many of the available VAPers:
http://www.smokersforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=89400
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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Thu May 30, 2013 3:31 am

McConnells Scottish Flake is not a Va-Per, its the Cake that you want.

Another you should try is PH Special Curly.
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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Thu May 30, 2013 3:55 am

http://www.4noggins.com/JohnPattonsCOOLHANDFLUKE.aspx

I named it Cool Hand Fluke because I don't care for Perique, but somehow created a VaPer that quite a few experienced smokers really enjoy.
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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Thu May 30, 2013 9:38 am

INFORMATION OVERLOAD
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REBOOTING

It is fun watching this play out...repeatedly.

How I came to BoB was a search. I have smoked Iwan's slices for years and years along with a bit of Proper English. I did buy the HH Syrian and HH Virginia when they had a deal a year plus back but that was about it for experimenting.

I found out Iwan was PS and have been ordering that -- which was a pleasant impact on the checkbook. Not that it made a huge difference but there is that satisfaction of cheaper.

So, here I am and finding pipe smoking from a whole new perspective. I just can't keep up with it. Tobacco names fly in and out of my mind faster than quarks.

Trying to get with the program, I have been ordering a few more VaPers and finding that VaPer is a rather inclusive family with a variety of flavors and feelings. How you find the "right stuff" in all that remains daunting to me.

Looks like everybody is having a ball in the process though. Just not going to be much help. Sorry.
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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Thu May 30, 2013 10:12 am

I'm not a big Perique fan but there are two VaPer blends that I enjoy. I keep a tin of Escudo for my "heavy" VaPer smoke when I feel the need ( not often) but really like Orlik Golden Slices and smoke it on a regular basis. Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Thu May 30, 2013 10:45 am

You might want to add G.L. Pease’s Telegraph Hill to your list.
For me, the Virginias and the Perique are in perfect balance in this easy-to-handle, ribbon-cut blend. It's a subtle, delicious all-day smoke!

When you’re looking for a more "stout" VaPer, I also recommend C&D Bayou Morning (bulk, ribbon-cut). This one’s on your list already.
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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Thu May 30, 2013 1:01 pm

For a bulk I favor C&D's Bayou Morning. But their Red Carpet is hard to beat, IMO.

I try not to buy too much of that one, it disappears far too quickly...up in smoke just like 'that'!
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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Thu May 30, 2013 3:52 pm

MisterE wrote:

Dan's Hamborger Veermeister

MrE,

Are you sure about it's with in some perique? That's I had never heard nor written previously.

A lot of blends are without the ingredients are always difficult to tell unless the manufacturer states it. For example, Vito had a discussion with our Rattray's Dark Fragrant. I finally looked at the bottom of label stated it "perique". I had also found that many of Rattray's were had perique too. Here is there page to see (for translated by English by Google):
Kohlhase tobaccos

If you think it's with perique, then you have it.

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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Thu May 30, 2013 4:48 pm

allyby wrote:
McConnells Scottish Flake is not a Va-Per, its the Cake that you want.

Another you should try is PH Special Curly.

Sorry, I actually meant to write "cake", not "flake".
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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Thu May 30, 2013 4:51 pm

Ol'Dawg wrote:
A couple to add-

McConnell's Scottish Cake (Used to my favorite)
Ashton Revival Black Parrot

Jim

Is this "Black Parrot" something different than the McClelland that I listed?
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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Thu May 30, 2013 7:53 pm

Looks like you've touched on a great many good selections esoxhunter. And others have chimed in with excellent selections as well. So I've not much to add right now.

I smoke VaPers frequently, maybe as much as 50% of the time. And while I like to ring the changes, I find myself coming back to McClelland's bulk 2015 again and again. Granted, the weed I have has had 15% more P-weed added. And it's aged as well. So it makes a harmonious blend. But it's stellar in all ways, at least for me. In fact I have some set out for after supper tonight.

The standard 2015 already has St James Perique. So give this a go and see if it blows your skirt up!


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esoxhunter wrote:
Virginia Perique blends are my favorite. That said, I have not sampled a huge variety. I found that I really like Escudo, DNR, Frog Morton on the Bayou, Bullseye and Haddo's Delight, and those are the ones I have stuck with over the years.

Now that I'm 50, I decided it was time to get adventurous. So, I perused this site, tobaccoreviews.com, and other sites to identify which other VAPERS that others have said good things about. I compiled a list and ordered them from various online retailers, including 4Noggins and Cup O'Joe's. They have now arrived. This is the list:

Rattray's Hal O' the Wynd
McClelland St. James Woods
McClelland Beacon
McClelland Beacon Extra
McClelland Black Parrot
Astley's No. 2
Bullseye Luxury Flake
Former's Cross Grain Flake
Cornell & Diehl Kajun Cake
Cornell & Diehl Bayou Morning Flake
Cornell & Diehl Frog Morton on the Bayou
Davidoff Flake Medallions
McConnell's Scottish Flake
Solani 633
Reiner Blend 71
Gawaith St. James Flake
Escudo
DNR
Pease Haddo's Delight

So, my questions:

1) Which currently available blends am I missing? (Comments on past blends are welcome too)

2) Is there a consus as to which ones are better than others?



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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Thu May 30, 2013 8:57 pm

Dick Silverman aka "Chief Catoonah" (Winner of the 2012 Chicago Throwdown with his wonderful "Princes Street Mixture") has his latest blend "Bailey's Supreme"! It's a RIDICULOUSLY good VaPer IMHO!

From Dick's website:

"BAILEY'S SUPREME -- a Virginia mixture, with a touch of Perique, that has superior flavor and a rich body. Simultaneously sweet and savory, the depth of flavor comes not from one distinct Virginia, but from several different ones working harmoniously. A most enjoyable all day blend with an astonishingly wonderful room note. This tobacco blend is one of my original recipes. Using the finest blending components, this tobacco is hand mixed in small batches by me."

I was lucky enough to take this blend out for its' initial "test run". You'll thank me later.......

http://www.chiefcatoonah.com/baileys-supreme.html


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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Thu May 30, 2013 9:02 pm

PS: Maybe I didn't see this one, so I'll mention this one too!

Park Lane Tobacconist's "RED PARAMOUR" aka "RED CRACK"
One of my all time favorites. Paul Bonacquisti was a true genius when he blended up this one!
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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Thu May 30, 2013 9:49 pm

DoverPipes wrote:
Dick Silverman aka "Chief Catoonah" (Winner of the 2012 Chicago Throwdown with his wonderful "Princes Street Mixture") has his latest blend "Bailey's Reserve"! It's a RIDICULOUSLY good VaPer IMHO!

From Dick's website:

"BAILEY'S RESERVE -- a carefully balanced mixture of fine Matured Virginia flake with a touch of St. James Perique; this natural, unflavored tobacco is one I enjoy everyday and has become a favorite of many who prefer unadulterated tobacco which also provides a pleasant "room aroma" appreciated by others. This tobacco blend is one of my original recipes. Using the finest blending components, this tobacco is hand mixed in small batches by me"..

I was lucky enough to take this blend out for its' initial "test run". You'll thank me later.......

http://www.chiefcatoonah.com/baileys-reserve.html

I agree with this - I got a sample from Dick at the Chicago Show and it is really good stuff.

My personal favorite VaPers are Escudo, Beacon Extra, St James Flake, St James Woods, and Scottish Cake... probably in that order. And VaPers, to me, age better than anything else. Smoking 4+ yo Escudo, SJF, SJW, etc... divine. The way that VA and Per marry with each other over time to become a harmony of deep flavor is quite amazing.

I'd give honorable mention to something like Marlin Flake... it definitely has perique and I can taste it/smell it, but it isn't as present as some of those others so a bit more on the fringe of what I'd call a "VaPer".

Also, I don't believe that Beacon is a tinned version of bulk 2015. I've smoked both and much prefer the 2015, they don't seem at all the same though may have similar components. And on that note, anyone that doesn't believe that different amounts of similar components makes a different blend - try Beacon and then Beacon Extra. Completely different tasting blends, and I asked Mike McNeil at Chicago "are these really the same blend with the perique percentage changed??" -- the answer was yes and yet they taste/smell completely different to me, still. Beacon is just OK and something I wont buy more of... Beacon Extra is something I find absolutely astounding and have loaded my cellar with. YMMV, of course!
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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Thu May 30, 2013 11:38 pm

I've smoked a lot of the VaPers already mentioned in this thread but to me Orlick Golden Sliced is the best of them all. I usually smoke 2-3 bowls a day and it's the same each time: smooth, rich, sweet, and no tongue bite. A moderate amount of Lady "N", readily available, and a good price. Oh, and it ages really well. Don't know what more anyone could want in a VaPer. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Fri May 31, 2013 2:33 pm

esoxhunter wrote:
Ol'Dawg wrote:
A couple to add-

McConnell's Scottish Cake (Used to my favorite)
Ashton Revival Black Parrot

Jim

Is this "Black Parrot" something different than the McClelland that I listed?

When McClelland first tinned Black Parrot, it had the most perique from all blends VaPer. When I was first opened a tin from Black Parrot , it smelled like pure perique. I haven't tried there new Ashton Revival yet but the reviews seem pretty good.

Revival Black Parrot

Jim

PS-If you check it seems that may K&K blended by Black Parrot in Europe for McConnell and probably imports to McClelland for makes the tins under their brand. McConnell blended by K&K
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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Fri May 31, 2013 8:58 pm

Best VaPer? Aww hell, that's too easy...

...the one you like best, of course.

Simple, really.
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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Fri May 31, 2013 9:25 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
Best VaPer? Aww hell, that's too easy...

...the one you like best, of course.

Simple, really.

Of course, this is the best answer of all, and the reason for my post in the first instance. Thanks to everyone for the terrific responses and great suggestions. I now have a bunch of new blends to add to the experimentation list
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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Fri May 31, 2013 10:32 pm

I saw Former's Cross-Grain Flake listed but not the Bird's Eye Flake (not sure if they are similar in taste). Royal Jersey Perique is v close in flavor to the Former Bird's Eye, both very light VAs with a touch of perique. I also enjoy McConnell's Red Virginia (sometimes listed as Red Virginia Superb, but my tin didn't have the word anywhere on it), similar in Perique content to the above but with red virginia (who would have guessed!)
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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:36 am

OGS is one of my old time favourites, along with Escudo. But the best I've had so far is Wessex Sovereign. Man, that is good!
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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:39 am

CharlG wrote:
OGS is one of my old time favourites, along with Escudo. But the best I've had so far is Wessex Sovereign. Man, that is good!
That's encouraging -- whenever I finish off the Bedloe's Island (a VaPer with a touch of Orientals), Sovereign is next on 'Death Row'
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PostSubject: Re: Which VAPER is Best?   Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:49 pm

Ol'Dawg wrote:
esoxhunter wrote:
Ol'Dawg wrote:
A couple to add-

McConnell's Scottish Cake (Used to my favorite)
Ashton Revival Black Parrot

Jim

Is this "Black Parrot" something different than the McClelland that I listed?

When McClelland first tinned Black Parrot, it had the most perique from all blends VaPer. When I was first opened a tin from Black Parrot , it smelled like pure perique. I haven't tried there new Ashton Revival yet but the reviews seem pretty good.

Revival Black Parrot

Jim

PS-If you check it seems that may K&K blended by Black Parrot in Europe for McConnell and probably imports to McClelland for makes the tins under their brand. McConnell blended by K&K

Jim,

I have a few tins of the original Ashton Black Parrot from 99/2000 and its a serious VAper! It has aged wonderfully, as one might expect. The tin note as well as the side stream are quite possibly the best aromas I have found. The taste is rich and almost a complete meal in each puff. It reminds me of the chewing gum from Charlie and the Chocolate factory that has a full course meal as you chew! If only I could know how well the Revival stuff would fare with 10+ years of age
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