HomeHome  CalendarCalendar  FAQFAQ  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  MemberlistMemberlist  UsergroupsUsergroups  Log in  
Share | 
 

 A Question of Balance

View previous topic View next topic Go down 
AuthorMessage
Vito

avatar

Location : Earth
Registration date : 2007-12-10

PostSubject: A Question of Balance   Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:03 am

I got way chilled out just watching this. Go to YouTube and watch it big for the full effect.



Back to top Go down
View user profile http://www.vitotuxedo.com/VitoSpace/Home/=index.html
Harlock999

avatar

Location : Los Angeles
Registration date : 2010-10-22

PostSubject: Re: A Question of Balance   Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:19 am

Pretty neat, but I can't imagine it's actually possible.
There would have to be not even the slightest air circulating not to blow that feather off. No?
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Vito

avatar

Location : Earth
Registration date : 2007-12-10

PostSubject: Re: A Question of Balance   Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:47 am

Harlock999 wrote:
Pretty neat, but I can't imagine it's actually possible.
There would have to be not even the slightest air circulating not to blow that feather off. No?
Harlock:

I'd give that a qualified "No". I agree that above a certain threshold of air velocity, the feather would undoubtedly come off. But did you notice that the top of the stick the feather is resting on is FLAT? And the feather itself is curved downward on both sides, which places its center of gravity below the contact point on the stick. That's an inherently more stable configuration than if the C of G were higher. And she's in a studio, not outdoors, so it would be an easy matter to control air circulation during her performance.

There's certainly nothing about it that makes it impossible in principle, especially with the sticks marked (did you notice that?), and with the top edges of the sticks flattened to prevent rolling. If the sticks were round, I would agree that it would be so difficult as to be unlikely; but they're not—they're flat. They can't roll at the contact point between any two sticks, or between the top stick and the feather.

Mind you, I'm not saying it wouldn't take a great deal of practice, a very steady hand, and terrific focus...plus a boatload of patience during the "fail your way to success" learning period. But I don't think it was faked, if that's what you're saying. It's simply a question of balance.

Back to top Go down
View user profile http://www.vitotuxedo.com/VitoSpace/Home/=index.html
Harlock999

avatar

Location : Los Angeles
Registration date : 2010-10-22

PostSubject: Re: A Question of Balance   Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:47 am

Well, it's certainly intriguing, being a compulsive "balancer" myself.
I do enjoying seeing what I can balance on something else, and I've managed to balance a few pipes nervously for my pipe pics.
Not having an ounce of technical knowledge myself, I'm still a bit skeptical about that feather. It just wouldn't seem to have the weight necessary...
Back to top Go down
View user profile
AJ

avatar

Age : 69
Location : East of the Rocky Mountains
Registration date : 2012-03-18

PostSubject: Re: A Question of Balance   Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:07 am

I think it's amazing. It's great entertainment. cheers
AJ
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Kyle Weiss

avatar

Location : Reno, NV
Registration date : 2011-09-18

PostSubject: Re: A Question of Balance   Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:56 pm

Harlock999 wrote:
Well, it's certainly intriguing, being a compulsive "balancer" myself.

Crap, you're not one of those goofy folks who "plank" things, like in grocery stores and in parking lots, are you?


"Harlock planking a ham!" Very Happy

No

Laughing
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Vito

avatar

Location : Earth
Registration date : 2007-12-10

PostSubject: Re: A Question of Balance   Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:34 pm

Harlock999 wrote:
...I'm still a bit skeptical about that feather. It just wouldn't seem to have the weight necessary...
I admire healthy skepticism. I wish more people had it.

Anyhow, without laying hands on the actual feather, I can't vouch for its integrity...for example, whether it somehow has been weighted artificially to give it extra heft (say with a coat of clear lacquer). So, I can only rely on what I see in the video to determine whether Miyoko Shida's performance is real, and here's why I think it is.

First, it violates no known law of nature, so it's possible.

Second (and this addresses your uncertainty about the feather's weight being sufficient to be a counterbalance), notice the position of the fulcrum (the balance point) that suspends the first stick. It's not even close to the feather; it's way down near the other end of the stick. That means that most of the counterbalancing weight is contributed by the stick itself...specifically that portion of the stick that's on the feather side of the fulcrum. The feather just adds enough extra mass to shift the fulcrum a bit farther from the heavy end of the stick.

Third, what's the alternative to her really doing it? Digital manipulation of the video? Full-on animated CGI? I don't buy it, in this case. Some truly wondrous stuff is possible with such technology, but it's not sufficiently photo-realistic to convincingly duplicate the complexity of the shots in the video, taken from so many angles.

Fourth, I dont think those are all "sticks"—that is, they're not all solid wood. Judging by their shapes, some of them look like dried palm fronds (which are actually leaf stems...but as a fellow denizen of SoCal, you already knew that. Wink ). They're not very dense, so they're much lighter than solid wood sticks of the same volume ("volume" meaning "shape and size"...not the loudness knob on yer guitar amp).

Finally, if repeatability is any test (and it is), then she wins:




Back to top Go down
View user profile http://www.vitotuxedo.com/VitoSpace/Home/=index.html
monbla256

avatar

Age : 71
Location : DFW Metroplex, Texas
Registration date : 2012-01-15

PostSubject: Re: A Question of Balance   Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:30 pm

Alexander Calder has met his Mistress Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Vito

avatar

Location : Earth
Registration date : 2007-12-10

PostSubject: Re: A Question of Balance   Sat Jun 01, 2013 5:35 pm

monbla256 wrote:
Alexander Calder has met his Mistress Twisted Evil Twisted Evil


...eeewwww...Calder's been worm chow for almost 40 years. She'd have to be one sick necrophiliac. Mad


Back to top Go down
View user profile http://www.vitotuxedo.com/VitoSpace/Home/=index.html
Harlock999

avatar

Location : Los Angeles
Registration date : 2010-10-22

PostSubject: Re: A Question of Balance   Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:21 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
Harlock999 wrote:
Well, it's certainly intriguing, being a compulsive "balancer" myself.

Crap, you're not one of those goofy folks who "plank" things, like in grocery stores and in parking lots, are you?


"Harlock planking a ham!"

Ha!
No, planking is just another narcissistic, MeTube generation cry for attention.
I just like trying to balance stuff. Jenga solitaire, if you will...
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Harlock999

avatar

Location : Los Angeles
Registration date : 2010-10-22

PostSubject: Re: A Question of Balance   Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:21 pm

Vito wrote:
monbla256 wrote:
Alexander Calder has met his Mistress Twisted Evil Twisted Evil


...eeewwww...Calder's been worm chow for almost 40 years. She'd have to be one sick necrophiliac. Mad

Well this one has taken a wrong turn... Mad
Back to top Go down
View user profile
Jers

avatar

Location : Ireland
Registration date : 2012-07-14

PostSubject: Re: A Question of Balance   Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:48 pm

It looked to me that it was the performer's act of stroking the structure with the feather that caused the imbalance and then collapse.

Great clip - thanks for posting. cheers

Fraternally

Jers
Back to top Go down
View user profile
swhipple

avatar

Age : 48
Location : North Carolina
Registration date : 2013-05-02

PostSubject: Re: A Question of Balance   Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:08 pm

Amazing act! Thanks for sharing the video
Back to top Go down
View user profile
 
A Question of Balance
View previous topic View next topic Back to top 
Page 1 of 1
 Similar topics
-
» theme-background-question
» When Reseting Passwords add a Security Question(s)
» question-about-forum-securities
» tos-related-question-regarding-softwear-i-created
» Chapter 18 - Preliminary Results. Preparation For The Interrogations

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
Brothers of Briar :: Community :: The Round Table-
Jump to: