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Dave_In_Philly

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PostSubject: I might disappear    Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:25 pm

So most of the time I browse BOB (or the internet in general) is during my down time at work. That's why some times I post often and other times I don't log in for days at a time. It seems that they have just changed our internet monitoring software and anything tobacco related seems to now be blocked. I can't get to any of the etailers websites or any of the cigar forums I read. For some reason, BOB seems to have slipped through, at least temporarily (my guess is because "briar" isn't one of the keywords.) In any event, I have so little time at home that I usually spend it with my son and not on the internet, so if they realize their error and start to block BOB my participation will drop significantly. I'll make it a point to pop in from time to time, but if you don't hear from my for a while, that's where I went.

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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:38 pm

And now we all pray to the Briar Gods that the same thing does not happen out our places of employment, and that yours does not catch on the the whole briar bit. Good luck brother.
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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:01 pm

A VPN account can usually tunnel through the corporate firewall.  As to installing/using it on one of their computers, that something to think about.  It can be installed on a thumb drive which would keep it more isolated and controllable.  Mine costs $40/yr.
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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:11 pm

JKenP wrote:
A VPN account can usually tunnel through the corporate firewall.  As to installing/using it on one of their computers, that something to think about.  It can be installed on a thumb drive which would keep it more isolated and controllable.  Mine costs $40/yr.
 
Circumventing IT protocol and purpose is taken very seriously.   VPNs are seen as "back doors" to just about everything short of the Apocalypse, no matter how innocent.  Company tech dictators do not like being ignored or rebelled against.  This is what happens when the guys that got beat up every day in grade school are given the keys to a realm, digital or otherwise.  Laughing

Don't lose your job over BoB, Dave.    Us jokers ain't worth it.  I love you

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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:18 pm

Dave_In_Philly wrote:
It seems that they have just changed our internet monitoring software and anything tobacco related seems to now be blocked. I can't get to any of the etailers websites or any of the cigar forums I read.
-Dave

That sucks.

Are social networks blocked too?

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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:58 pm

True Kyle.  I didn't know the company, relationship with IT, or policy was.  How dangerous that is would be for him to ascertain.  If he could access with an Android as their guest, VPN could be used on that machine with probably less consequences.  But, not having all the facts, I said it was something he need to decide.

Its a weird world out their.  Everyone seems determined to decide how others should live and what they can or can't do.  Might be better if the stuck to self improvement.
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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:37 pm

Self-employment has its advantages at times.   Less complicated in some regards, far more in others.

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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:15 pm

Yeah, no VPN for me. Even if I could get passed my firewall (which I doubt), if I got caught it would be a very big deal, probably termination. We are not allowed to use thumb drives, I can't even access my google docs or box.com accounts because they are worried that we'll use them to steal data. I can't even burn files to a CD from my computer. We once had a guy email himself a bunch of stuff so that he could work from home (before we were all issued laptops). That triggered a big corporate hoopla, folks came down to investigate and talk with each of us. When he did a second time they very nearly fired him, but ultimately just put him on probation for year...this was a guy who was just trying to work from home...

Things like social media (twitter, facebook, etc.) are useful in my line of work so we actually have limited access. All porn or streaming media is blocked. A lot of images are blocked, not for content, but for bandwidth reasons. 

So far so good. BOB works, but I can't see any of the images folks post.
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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:11 pm

Dave_In_Philly wrote:
Yeah, no VPN for me. Even if I could get passed my firewall (which I doubt), if I got caught it would be a very big deal, probably termination. We are not allowed to use thumb drives, I can't even access my google docs or box.com accounts because they are worried that we'll use them to steal data. I can't even burn files to a CD from my computer. We once had a guy email himself a bunch of stuff so that he could work from home (before we were all issued laptops). That triggered a big corporate hoopla, folks came down to investigate and talk with each of us. When he did a second time they very nearly fired him, but ultimately just put him on probation for year...this was a guy who was just trying to work from home...

Things like social media (twitter, facebook, etc.) are useful in my line of work so we actually have limited access. All porn or streaming media is blocked. A lot of images are blocked, not for content, but for bandwidth reasons. 

So far so good. BOB works, but I can't see any of the images folks post.
My company is the same way. It is a very big deal. But my office is at my house now so it has become a non-issue.

That is one of the advantages to my current situation. Another one is I still have a job!
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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:04 pm

Dave,

The good thing is that BoB kinda flies under the radar. I am the Network Systems Administrator at my place of employment. I put the firewall in place and there is a firm block on websites related to Alcohol, gambling, Sports, Tobacco, Weapons, Pornography, etc. I have to route around the firewall for most tobacco related sites, but not for BoB. That said, depending on the firewall your IT folks use, you may be good for a while.
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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:29 pm

It's kind of a Zero Tolerance thing, ain't it? I knew the chief IT cop at my workplace, and he had some totally astonishing stories about the persistence of some employees checking into porno sights for hours at a time, even though they knew they were being monitored and could be terminated immediately. But then the circle of what was verboten gradually expanded, partially because handling matters on a case-by-case basis just sucked up way too much energy.  So here's another examp of the high schoolification of the USA. But its their steenkin computers and we're on their steenkin clock, and so . . .
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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:23 pm

It's my God-given right to look at porn at work, I say!

Revolt! 

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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:09 am

Unbelievable.  Where do you guys work, OZ?  Candyland?  Civil Service?

Rolling Eyes     Suspect

Good luck to you Dave.


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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:04 am

Dave,

That's a real bummer. I hope you can stay active on the BoB. I'd really miss your comments.
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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:58 am

That's too bad Dave, but I understand your priorities.

When my laptop is connected to our server in the office, I'm also blocked. But, my phone works, unless it connects to our wifi, which then blocks it (I can turn that off). I'm on the road a lot and don't like using my worklap top for personal use, so I just bring along my own laptop. It's a hassle, but it's not worth risking my job for pipe forums.
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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:37 am

There are many reasons for a company to block certain sites.

But I have always looked at it this way. They pay me to work.

And that is the ethic I was raised with. You take the money, you do the job.

Now that I work from home there are no real office hours. My day generally starts at 6 AM and I take care of business as it arises. If a call comes in at 10 PM I am on it. I deal with it.

With that burden comes some freedom as well though. If I want to take an hour and smoke a bowl I do.

Many a day I work in excess of 12 hours because it is needed. Since I'm salary my job is more about being available for my team and doing what is necessary to get my job done. Sometimes it takes long days. Thankfully, sometimes it doesn't.

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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:58 am

Kyle Weiss wrote:
It's my God-given right to look at porn at work, I say!

Revolt! 

Laughing

We larf at such notions, but, as other posters have said, the workspace and workday have been fuzzed. In a case I'm thinking of the employee was a help-desk type. He had established hours and a a cube, but he often was waiting for something to happen. When it didn't he visited porn sights. He snarled at complaints from neighboring cubes. He flat dismissed warnings from his supv. He insisted that if he wasn't on a call, his time was his own. Well, they granted him his wish.

I saw an article the other day that said the most sought quality in an employee these days is professionalism, which was described as the determination to act properly even when you're not being watched. In lieu of that, we have these Zero Tolerance rules that eliminate the need for fine distinctions.

Think of it as entropy in action.
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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:40 pm

Yes and no.  The idea of a "free and ubiquitous workplace" has never existed.  Every place runs under its own rules and decisions.   If that decision is productivity and you work during the time you're getting money (not clock-milking, time-stealing, or whatever cute monikers that have been attached to it), you signed up for the job, there was an understanding and an agreement to comply.   This has gone on for a long time, and is not a modern phenomenon.   The other side of the coin is, these days it's more popular to have "micro revolutions" over nothing.  

For example, a guy gets caught in his cube reading a hot rod magazine in 1965 versus looking at a hot rod enthusiast site or forum in 2013.  The guy in 1965 would get called into the bosses office, asked why he was doing as such, perhaps it was just his lunch hour, but they asked questions first and shot later.   Ask me how I know this at 35--I'll answer:  I talk to people...folks older than I, because I believe our elders deserve attention.  We swap stories about "how it was" and they inquire, "...how is it now?"   Interesting comparisons, and workplace topics come up a lot, it's what folks have in common, after all...

...in 2013, there's some truth to what you say, there's some nanny-ing of workplace scenarios, but I cannot broad-brush the entire thing as bad--or more to the point, have pity on the guy who "got in trouble," because hey, pal, you signed up for the gig.   Back to the modern comparison, the amount of distraction and time it takes to wade through our computerized entertainment (mixed with the idea of a computer as a "work station") is massive.  Not just "a quick zip through a magazine article."   It's long, involved, personal and passionate.  Not to mention the computer as a whole is not seen as a work tool, it's a piece of property.  It puts the "personal" in "Personal Computer."  We relate this intellectually to the box we have at home.   If the garage had a "shop dog," and someone yelled at it, the aid of many stodgy mechanics would come, because they might relate it to the dog they love at home.   Same concept, and lo, we have people crying "foul" because their workplace security blanket has been stepped on by a supposed bully (even if the bully gives you your lunch money).

It's pretty difficult to connect that "something has happened" with the workplace, but if it has, it happened a long time ago.   Perhaps four or five decades, when the accountants started calling the shots with numbers and the bottom line, and everything from customer service to quality takes a sh*t when those guys push the envelope.  Nowadays, if you think as an employee of a corporation you're much more than a long-term liability, you're blowing smoke.   Even smaller companies are adopting strict policies.  They can cite "protecting their interests" in any way they see fit.  Some are rational, others, not so much.

So if you think you can do much more than follow the rules when a company puts up website blocking so you're not wasting time, it's a double-edged sword.  In this economy, I can totally understand someone not wanting to stick their neck out for something frivolous such as website access when there's probably countless people gunnin' for your job.  

Do I like it?  No.  Agree with it?  Barely.  Is it out of our hands in the short-term?  Yep.  

This is why I work for myself.  Problem solved.
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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:24 pm

Company training sessions have breaks every 45-50 minutes. Because that's what the ordinary human attention span is. Not 8.5 hours and not 4 hours.

It's bullshit to view people as machines.

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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:48 pm

If I may clarify just a bit -- I don't mean that the USA and it's workplaces are devolving from a wide open environment to a nanny state by purposeful strategy. Rather, the times they are a changin and each change brings with it recalibrations that interact with each other in often unexpected ways.

Here's Dave, conscientious worker who would like to take a break by visiting a pipe bulletin board. Why would anyne object to that? Well, who decides how often and how long Dave can do so? Is the content offensive to anyone? Could it contribute to a hostile work environment?  If Dave can visit BoB, why can't Sue spend time skyping with her sister in Omaha? Could Sue haul us into court demanding "a level playing field?" Does Dave's BoB ever go to topics other than briars? Like what? OMG! Like politics! How does Dave's pipe interest mesh with the employer's anti-smoking medical policy? Is there profanity on the site? Is the site gender diverse?  How about minorities? Is the lanuage appropriately diverse?

People are paid to worry about such things. I was once assigned to help a reporter writing a story about company dress codes.  The story quoted me as saying that the company's managers had better things to do than puzzle over dress codes. But the people paid to puzzle over dress codes complained to my boss. (He thought it was humorous.) But the rule makers are energetic and ubiquitous.

In short, the proliferation of rules is reaction to social and legal change and is probably irresistible. As I used to say to my employees who liked walking on thin ice, "You realize our employer has no interesting in dropping a cool million to successfully defend the expression of your supposed rights, don't you?"

The area for private choice decreases as the area for public determination expands. Just like going back to high school.
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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:39 am

Hang in there Dave. If bad comes to worse, hopefully you can find time once or twice a week to check in and continue to participate from home.
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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:20 am

For what it's worth, it's not a productivity issue, but a content/ bandwidth saving measure. No one would dream of questioning what I do when I am at work. Depending on what is happening, I work anywhere from five 10 hour days in a week, to seven 16+ hour days when I am on trial. My blackberry is by my side 24/7 and my laptop is with me whenever I am away from my desk for more than 12 straight hours. No one cares if blow 20 minutes browsing ESPN.com with my morning coffee.

Lets be honest, while productivity is an issue with a certain class of employee. When you are dealing with salaried employees who are often called upon to work 40+ hours in a week to accomplish their various tasks, the real fear is some form of law suit. Either sexual harassment, or employment discrimination. If you aren't punching a clock and making a bee line for the door as soon as the clock hits 5pm, any time you waste is your own. And think about it, who really works 9-5 anymore?

Also, so far so good. I can still view the text, but almost all images are now blocked (like the logo, the little file thingies, that tell you when there is a new post in a thread, etc.). I can live with this, though I do miss the pipe porn. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:06 pm

Yak wrote:
Company training sessions have breaks every 45-50 minutes. Because that's what the ordinary human attention span is. Not 8.5 hours and not 4 hours.

It's bullshit to view people as machines.

What a Face

It's also bullshit to coddle an already lazy-ass and entitled society, if I may be so bold.  I love you  

There's a balance in there, however.   I've even worked for a few of 'em.   Still in the end, I manage my own productivity pretty well.   Call me unique.

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For what it's worth, it's not a productivity issue, but a content/ bandwidth saving measure. No one would dream of questioning what I do when I am at work. Depending on what is happening, I work anywhere from five 10 hour days in a week, to seven 16+ hour days when I am on trial. My blackberry is by my side 24/7 and my laptop is with me whenever I am away from my desk for more than 12 straight hours. No one cares if blow 20 minutes browsing ESPN.com with my morning coffee.

Lets be honest, while productivity is an issue with a certain class of employee. When you are dealing with salaried employees who are often called upon to work 40+ hours in a week to accomplish their various tasks, the real fear is some form of law suit. Either sexual harassment, or employment discrimination. If you aren't punching a clock and making a bee line for the door as soon as the clock hits 5pm, any time you waste is your own. And think about it, who really works 9-5 anymore?

Also, so far so good. I can still view the text, but almost all images are now blocked (like the logo, the little file thingies, that tell you when there is a new post in a thread, etc.). I can live with this, though I do miss the pipe porn. Sad

Right. Mostly it is security and bandwidth resources...I kind of touched upon that, Ken ran with the plight of the worker. It's his fault. Flog him. Laughing

We'll have to make sure we describe pictures, sparing no detail. Especially the girlie-boobie-pics in the Rubber Room.

(...glad you're still connected to us, Dave...)

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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:29 pm

Cherry Flavored Kyle wrote:
Right. Mostly it is security and bandwidth resources...I kind of touched upon that, Ken ran with the plight of the worker. It's his fault. Flog him.

Just becoming as flawed as my cherry flavored mentor.

Actually, the reasoning seems lame. I am gathering successful law office. Bandwidth should be a non-issue. A private practice with that billable contribution, should be looking for ways to make his office experience better. It would be productive overall.
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PostSubject: Re: I might disappear    Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:30 pm

Maraschino-gag Weiss says:

Yep.  However, I still blame the select few who ruin freedom of Internet-at-work for the rest of us.
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