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PostSubject: Aluminum syrup, anyone?   Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:09 pm

Check out this photo from the currently ongoing wildfires in the San Jacinto Mountains of Southern California:



The streams of melted metal are most likely aluminum. The typical max. temperature of most forest fires is around 800°C (1,472°F), which is above the melting point of aluminum (660°C/1220°F). It's almost certainly not steel, which has a much higher melting point (~1,500°C/2,732°F); besides the steel body obviously has not melted.

The forest isn't especially dense in the San Jacinto Mountains, as it's a semi-arid area. Even so, the fire gets hot enough to melt aluminum. You definitely want to get outa Dodge when one of those bad boys rolls into town.

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PostSubject: Re: Aluminum syrup, anyone?   Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:37 pm

Shocked 

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PostSubject: Re: Aluminum syrup, anyone?   Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:39 pm

That could have been a car stuck in traffic in Phoenix during summer (ala, right now), but... I'll buy the wildfire theory.  Laughing

Seriously though... melted car.   Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Aluminum syrup, anyone?   Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:44 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
That could have been a car stuck in traffic in Phoenix during summer...
Nah...if it had been in Phoenix, the metal would have vaporized.  

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PostSubject: Re: Aluminum syrup, anyone?   Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:47 pm

Vito wrote:
Kyle Weiss wrote:
That could have been a car stuck in traffic in Phoenix during summer...
Nah...if it had been in Phoenix, the metal would have vaporized.  


Too true. You should see the Aridzonites getting off the plane here in Reno...they're getting goosebumps in our chilly 100°F...they shouldn't have worn sandals.

You're not too close to them wildfires, are ya Veet? Be careful.
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PostSubject: Re: Aluminum syrup, anyone?   Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:28 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
...You're not too close to them wildfires, are ya Veet?   Be careful.  
Nope. They're far to the east. We're close to a wilderness area here, but the trees (mostly California live oak) are confined to the north-facing arroyos, which constitute less than one-quarter of the nearby area. In the remaining area, most of the combustibles are annuals — mustard, fennel, and other flora whose lifespan is constrained to a single growing season, so they never grow any cumulative woody mass. Consequently, the wildfires are relatively fast burning conflagrations, and they're not much of a threat unless they're driven by wind.

We had one such fire here in 2007. L.A. County Fire Dep't. knocked it down with the help of a few helicopter water drops. But the folks who live in the mountain areas don't have it so good, especially in the areas where there's more forest than structures. Until the fire is contained (last time I checked, earlier this morning, they had only 49% containment), all those folks are at risk. You can't "stand and fight" with a garden hose against a fire that can melt aluminum. The best you can do is evacuate and get out of the firefighters' way, and hope they can handle it.

When I first moved to California, I wanted to live in one of the mountain or canyon areas. Then I met the California native who eventually became Mrs. Vito. She quickly disabused me of my delusion about the idyllic life in such areas. They're great places to live until the fires, flash floods, freak wind storms, and mud slides show up.

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PostSubject: Re: Aluminum syrup, anyone?   Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:33 pm

Vito wrote:
You can't "stand and fight" with a garden hose against a fire that can melt aluminum.

Sure you can. If you want to be simian flambé. Very Happy



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PostSubject: Re: Aluminum syrup, anyone?   Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:30 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
Vito wrote:
You can't "stand and fight" with a garden hose against a fire that can melt aluminum.

Sure you can.  If you want to be simian flambé.   Very Happy
Well, yeah...sure—if you're that kind of mutant. Wink 

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