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Bobostro61

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PostSubject: Recomendations on how to proceed?   Recomendations on how to proceed? EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 11:30 am

I got these from a family friend and was thinking about how to restore them.  Both are missing stems.  I'm not quite sure about what needs to be done to fix them up especially since they are rusticated.  I don't think they're terribly expensive pipes. They both are stamped with "Italy" and one has "Tinderbox" on it.  One is NAPOLI #803.  The other says either "Lang" or "Lanz"?  Can't tell.

Any suggestions?  Should I leave the rustication alone and just polish them up as best I can and just make new stems?

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PostSubject: Re: Recomendations on how to proceed?   Recomendations on how to proceed? EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 11:39 am

That dublin is beautiful! The other you could try using a nylon brush wheel on a dreamless to get inside the grove and clean it up a bit, but rusticated pipes are a pain to restore I think. As far as stems the dublin would look great with a longer tapered and bent Cumberland stem, the other a full saddle black, or even ivory colored. JMO cheers 
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PostSubject: Re: Recomendations on how to proceed?   Recomendations on how to proceed? EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 11:45 am

An old, stiff-bristle toothbrush for getting the crud out of the recesses
of the sides & shanks.

Getting all the tar off the tops without needing to re-stain & re-finish
might be better left to a pro (Walker Briar Works comes to mind as
competent, quick & inexpensive).

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PostSubject: Re: Recomendations on how to proceed?   Recomendations on how to proceed? EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 1:26 pm

I was thinking you could get a military bit for the left/volcano/chimney. It has the extension that'd work with that. The oval shank will take some work with files and such on a stem that has some meat.

With the first one and wanting a standard shank, one totally non-standard way to fit the tenon would be to insert a screw in the draw hole and chuck it in a drill. Files or a sanding block could be used and the drill would assure roundness. Not the ideal but a way to try go get a nice fit.

ebay has shanks. They usually sell in lots at pretty cheap prices. Get rough measurements and find a batch that are a bit oversize. It'd be nice to have a decent vice with soft jaws for filing. Use a scrach awl to mark the outer dimension after fitting the tenon and gross file to rough dimensions. Then final file/sand and you're smoking em.
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PostSubject: Re: Recomendations on how to proceed?   Recomendations on how to proceed? EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 2:31 pm

On the straight pipe, I found that the plastic shank piece simply unscrewed from the stummel. So I was thinking I'd just do away with that piece and do a saddle stem. Just need to figure a way to drill the 5/16 mortise nice and straight. Drill press comes to mind, but no guarantee it would be lined up perfectly straight.
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PostSubject: Re: Recomendations on how to proceed?   Recomendations on how to proceed? EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 5:02 pm

Alignment shouldn't be a problem.  You'd just insert a bit the diameter used originally and then chuck it up.  You've got alignment.  The problem would be in holding it in the machinist vice without causing damage.

But, I'd leave it the way your relative saw it and liked it. Change it and its no longer his pipe.
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PostSubject: Re: Recomendations on how to proceed?   Recomendations on how to proceed? EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 6:00 pm

a little bit of soapy water and a tooth brush will work to get the tar off, just dont use so much water your flodding it just enough to moisten the brush as you do little circular motion.... like your teeth! LOL

i always rinse out the bowl with some alcohol in case some water gets inside the alcohol will help evaporate the water
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PostSubject: Re: Recomendations on how to proceed?   Recomendations on how to proceed? EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 6:15 pm

This just my opinion of course but, the pipe with the shank extension is most likely an Mauro Armellini made for Tinder Box and I wouldn't get rid of the extension. The extension for one makes it easier to fit a stem to it. I would just find a nice acrylic freehand or military bit for it.
I use Murphy's oil soap on the stummels, it's made for cleaning wood. I plug the bowl and mortise, take a little Murphy's on a wet tooth brush and got at it. Be careful not to get the stummel too saturated cause it can cause water spotting specially if there a thin layer of shellac on it that is deteriorating. Them buff off with clean fluffy towel. They always come out looking 100% better.
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PostSubject: Re: Recomendations on how to proceed?   Recomendations on how to proceed? EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 6:40 pm

You really might want to consider sending them to a good shop for stems. Those are really decent pipes. They weren't the cheap ones in their day.

There are always some very inexpensive stemless pipes on ebay if you want to practice. These pipes deserve better.
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PostSubject: Re: Recomendations on how to proceed?   Recomendations on how to proceed? EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 6:52 pm

JKenP wrote:
You really might want to consider sending them to a good shop for stems.  Those are really decent pipes.  They weren't the cheap ones in their day.  

There are always some very inexpensive stemless pipes on ebay if you want to practice.  These pipes deserve better.

I agree Ken, Floyd Norwood does a great job and is quick turn around.
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PostSubject: Re: Recomendations on how to proceed?   Recomendations on how to proceed? EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 7:03 pm

I would send them to Mike Myers at  http://www.walkerpiperepair.com/index.html.


I highly recommend Mike. His prices are very reasonable and the craftsmanship is superb.

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PostSubject: Re: Recomendations on how to proceed?   Recomendations on how to proceed? EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 7:18 pm

ajn27511 wrote:
I would send them to Mike Myers at  http://www.walkerpiperepair.com/index.html.


I highly recommend Mike. His prices are very reasonable and the craftsmanship is superb.

AJ


Did you know that Floyd does all Walkers Meerschaum repairs?
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PostSubject: Re: Recomendations on how to proceed?   Recomendations on how to proceed? EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 7:39 pm

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Did you know that Floyd does all Walkers Meerschaum repairs?

Well I'll be danged!! It IS a small world.Laughing 

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PostSubject: Re: Recomendations on how to proceed?   Recomendations on how to proceed? EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 7:53 pm

ajn27511 wrote:
Cartaphilus wrote:
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Did you know that Floyd does all Walkers Meerschaum repairs?

Well I'll be danged!! It IS a small world.Laughing 

AJ

I reckon so sir, I reckon so.
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PostSubject: Re: Recomendations on how to proceed?   Recomendations on how to proceed? EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 9:55 pm

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Cartaphilus wrote:
 I reckon so

 The Outlaw Josey Wales to 10 Bears: "I reckon so."

Yeah I liked. Great entertainment.Cool cheers 

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PostSubject: Re: Recomendations on how to proceed?   Recomendations on how to proceed? EmptyMon Aug 05, 2013 9:40 am

I would never (well, hardly ever) remove rustication. For one thing I usually find it very pleasing...and...it's usually there for a reason. 

Cleaning off tar (and I didn't read everyone's answers here) is a job for spit. Nothing else does it better, and there's a reason for it working so well. It's like tree pitch and margarine...one is a solvent for the other. Human saliva contains an enzymatic component...salivary amylase. It's the first active agent in the digestive process (there's your human physiology lesson for the morning). And whatever the chemical process is, it breaks down tobacco tar very effectively. The toothbrush thing is a good idea as well. But saturate the rim area with spit and rough it up with the brush then let it sit for a bit they add more and scrub well. I use TP or a piece of paper towel to sop it up, and start over again. 3 - 4 sessions should work wonders. 

Then either a nice tortoise or amber acrylic stem....perhaps dark red and black swirl...wow! You'd be stylin' fer sure.

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PostSubject: Re: Recomendations on how to proceed?   Recomendations on how to proceed? EmptyMon Aug 05, 2013 10:43 am

I agree sir, spit is great for taking that grunge off the rim of your bowl, I use a Q-Tip and soft rag.
When I referred to Murphy's Oil Soap it was for a complete cleaning of the stummel.
I've come across many a pipe that was so filthy that you couldn't even see the grain specially rusticated and blasts that soil and oils from hands gets imbedded in the crevices and this is what I use that method for.
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