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PostSubject: A fair question   Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:58 pm

Excuse me...what does God need with a starship?



It has always seemed like a fair question to me.

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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:19 pm

...or, and this is a scary thought...God is more like "Q"...




...then he'd have starships around just to annoy. Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:41 pm

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...or, and this is a scary thought...God is more like "Q"...    

Actually, that's an entirely reasonable proposition, based on some of the versions of "God" our wacky species has coughed up.

And it is axiomatic that everyone who agrees means, "...of course, that doesn't include my version, which is The Right One™."

...er, yeah, right.

Humans. I love us, but sometimes we really are a bunch of wack jobs.  

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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:50 pm

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Humans. I love us, but sometimes we really are a bunch of wack jobs.  

"Love" is such a strong word for me personally, but then again, no god-complex here--I'll leave the lovin' of all us naked apes to the real One(s), who(m)ever he/she/it happens to be. I just hope whatever star ship I end up on is thoroughly screwed with by the powers-that-be. Life is too fascinating most of the time for that NOT to happen...

Cool <--- total wack job, admittedly.

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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:07 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
Vito wrote:
Humans. I love us, but sometimes we really are a bunch of wack jobs.  

"Love" is such a strong word for me personally...

Cool  <--- total wack job, admittedly.    


Yeah, but it's not too strong a word for...
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҇‾᷈ ᷉ ҃᷈͠ ‾᷈ ҃͠ ؎☺ I rage-quit this place every I time log out, but I rage-login again out of love.

See what I mean? We're all wack jobs. Myself included. Twisted Evil 

<--- total wack job, admittedly.
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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:13 pm

cheers

My home, my homies.

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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:19 pm

My question: What kind of god allowed this terrible track by Starship?


Seriously, from "White Rabbit" to this in a few years?! Doggone shame.
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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:56 pm

I am currently working my way though the DS9 episodes again. sunny 

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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:17 pm

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My question: What kind of god allowed this terrible track by Starship?
["We Built This Shitty"]

Seriously, from "White Rabbit" to this in a few years?! Doggone shame.
I just about puked when I first heard that track, Doc. I thought, "These are the same bozos who once sang 'Tear down the walls...', and now they want to take credit for building the city? Too muckin' fuch..."

But as it turns out, the only remaining member of the White Rabbit version of Jeff. Airplane was Grace Slick at the time the band released We Built This Whatever...and the song wasn't even written by anyone in the band.

Anyhow, one good thing came outa Stefferson Jarpoot...or whatever they're called now: Craig Chaquico was a good player...and still is, although I think his stuff as a solo artist and his jazz collaborations are his best works.

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I am currently working my way though the DS9 episodes again.  sunny
I've only ever seen a couple of the episodes, Carlos. I wasn't especially impressed at the time. But if they're good enough for a dyed-in-the-wool Trekster like you, I guess it's time I checked 'em out. DS9 is on Netflix, so I've got it in the queue now.

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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:41 pm

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Carlos wrote:
I am currently working my way though the DS9 episodes again.  sunny
I've only ever seen a couple of the episodes, Carlos. I wasn't especially impressed at the time. But if they're good enough for a dyed-in-the-wool Trekster like you, I guess it's time I checked 'em out. DS9 is on Netflix, so I've got it in the queue now.


Of all the Star Trek's, it was my favorite. A few goofy episodes, but still the best.

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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:07 pm

DS9 is good stuff. Odo's cantankery is awesome.
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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:14 pm

They went from a rock to a pop band...
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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:59 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
DS9 is good stuff.   Odo's cantankery is awesome.

Woo hoo hoo! I'm going through all the DS9 episodes in order with Daughter No. 1. We're about 2/3 of the way through Season 2. Carlos's recommendation was the tipping point...and he was right on the money, as usual. It's great stuff. Odo rocks!

Just for the hell of it, I watched an episode of ST: Voyager with Mrs. Vito the other night. I had tried to watch another episode some time ago, and couldn't get through the whole thing. This time, I managed to watch the whole thing, just to be sure I gave it a fair shot. It is definitely not my cup of tea. I won't be watching any more episodes.

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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:45 pm

I'm a sap for Voyager. Janeway is an honest, if not one-dimensional heroine, Chakotay is a dopey fool, and even I, with my curious proclivities, enjoy watching Seven of Nine be a bad-ass. The casting for Voyager is a little off, but it grew on me.

Want some interesting Trek-watching, Veet? Look up "Enterprise." I hated that show when it first came out, but I didn't realize it paved the way for all modern Sci-Fi television. I was so used to the set-and-scenario "non-linear" progression of former Star Trek shows that I didn't give it a chance. I'm glad I did, it's actually quite brilliant. DS9 was the precursor for that kind of "show flow" that fell flat in Voyager but was picked up in Enterprise.

Glad you're diggin' DS9. Great television, that show.
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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:34 pm

Kyle:

I've seen several of the ST: Enterprise episodes. They've all held my interest. It took me a while to get used to it, but the casting worked from the get-go. (Besides, I'm a sucker for Vulcan foxes. Twisted Evil )

In fact, the casting on ST: Voyager is one of the things that kills it for me. The Borgette hasn't shown up yet in any of the episodes I've seen, but all the other casting is so far wrong that I doubt she'll be enough to save it. I haven't found myself able to care one iota about any the characters, the stories, or even the premise of the series.

Perhaps some of that is the directing or the writing, but if so that's just another failing of the show. It's like they took a B-grade 1970s soap opera (only less compelling), doctored the script with techno-babble, and hired a bunch of miscast misfits to deliver the lines.

That's that way it comes across to me, anyway, in the episodes I've seen—actors delivering lines. They LOOK like they're acting. They're not believable characters. Quark, Odo, and even Quark's idiot weasel brother Rom have more character in their little fingers than anyone I've seen on Voyager.

Not that I am biased.  

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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:27 pm

Spot-on report. Voyager has some great casting, diluted only by the really bad casting. If you're an all or nothing sort, Voyager will not thrill. For die-hard nerds of the TNG sort, it works.

In my book, it's TNG first, Enterprise/DS9 tied for second and Voyager a distant third.

Where is the Original Series? Awaiting the next snowy night, bottle of scotch and can of anything-goes. Rather watch old Twilight Zone. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:15 pm

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...In my book, it's TNG first, Enterprise/DS9 tied for second and Voyager a distant third.  
cheers  It took me a while to figure out that you're a man of refined tastes, Kyle, but I eventually did. This just confirms it.  

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Where is the Original Series?   Awaiting the next snowy night, bottle of scotch and can of anything-goes...
T.O.S. is in a class by itself. It's not really fair to compare it (tech-wise) to the more recent productions. They had a shoestring budget, and they were breaking new ground. But I'll perpetually have a soft spot for it, onna counta it harkens back to the days of yore (college).

Actually I never watched it when the series was running. It was in the Friday night time slot, and I was always out playing rock 'n' roll with my band at Cornell frat parties, and other assorted gigs. (Live bands could actually get work in those daze.) But after the series was cancelled they played it on cable in syndication, and we could get it on a couple of different NYC channels in the wee hours, so I was able to watch a couple of episodes per night.

Being a physics major, I was Spock. Twisted Evil 

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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:27 pm

"Refined" taste? Well, now, I could crush your visions of me if I told you the other night was a special feature: hand-made pasta offset by entertainment ala Rudy Ray in "The Disco Godfather," perhaps my favorite blaxploitation movie of all time. Laughing

Nice word-swap of "days" and "daze," considering the time period. It's precisely why I don't accept musicians working with me that can't get to band practice on time (if at all) because of their choice of recreation. "They did it in the past, suck it up and get here." (...and not literally....) tongue Kids these days. :sigh:

TOS is fascinating in its own right. It did more to inspire what was to come down the pipeline than it ever did by itself. For a shoestring budget, though... nice job. The gogo-dancer aliens Kirk found probably helped ratings by a few points, methinks.

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PostSubject: TOS and THC   Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:18 pm

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...The gogo-dancer aliens Kirk found probably helped ratings by a few points, methinks.

Yeah...for the three-legger audience, costumery that accentuated the boobular aspects of the female cast was prolly a sure bet. And I presume the producers were trying to rope in the (arguably) more civilized gender with the frequent appearances of the shirtless Kirk.

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...Nice word-swap of "days" and "daze," considering the time period.  

Indeed. I figured you'd get it. There were burnt offerings aplenty, which probably accounts for the somewhat fuzzy recollections of that particular period. They were wild times. I'll never forget all the parts I can remember.

What's amazing to me is that some cats never outgrew it. I know one guy — a superb guitar player — who's currently living in near-poverty. He never seems to be able to pull anything together for very long. Occasionally he finds some dudes who manage to stay away from the smoke long enough to show up at rehearsals and gigs, but how he makes enough money to pay the ‘lectric bill remains a mystery. Perhaps he’s purveying the same stuff he’s smoking, but I don’t really know…and I don’t want to know.

Last time I saw him he said he envied my ability to hyperfocus, and said he wished he had some of it. I asked him whether he thought the fact that he doesn’t have some of it might have something to do with his constantly assailing his brain with tetrahydrocannabinol. “Oh no,” he said. “I’m self-medicating. I couldn’t function without it.” I replied, “Have you ever tried to function without it?” Answer: “Well, no…but I just know I couldn’t.”

…er, right. At that point, my “Discussion Over” alarm circuit kicked in. And so it goes. Different strokes...and all that.

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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:27 pm

I'm still a Trekkie purist.  When I was a teenager I would go to a friend's house to watch the original series in color (our set was B&W).  I didn't discover Enterprise until last year when I watched every episode on Netflix over a two week period.  Of all the new series I thought this was the best and thoroughly enjoyed it.  I still remember Scott Bakula from the Quantum Leap days but T'Pol certainly kept my interest. What a Face 

The DS9 episode where Cisco and Mr. Worf went back in time to the "Trouble with Tribbles" episode of the original series has to be one of my all-time favorite Star Treks.  Watching the new Klingon try to explain the difference in they way the looked then versus now was a gem.
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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:45 pm

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I love us, but sometimes we really are a bunch of wack jobs.  

Sometimes? Now I think you're just being entirely too generous.
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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Sat Aug 24, 2013 2:57 pm

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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Sat Aug 24, 2013 3:48 pm

Now living without Star Trek is something I cannot fathom. It usually doesn't cause me to get lax on responsibilities or promises, but even if it did...

...there's always rumors of new Trek. When they announce a pilot airing, I'll be there. Otherwise, I'm in re-run land.

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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:43 pm

Briarbabe wrote:
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I love us, but sometimes we really are a bunch of wack jobs.  
jocolor 
Sometimes? Now I think you're just being entirely too generous.

Ah, I see...I believe this is covered by Ferengi Rule of Acquisition 285.

That'll teach me.

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PostSubject: Re: A fair question   Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:21 pm

Rule 15. albino  Very Happy
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