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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:42 pm

I started on one side of this discussion but am seriously considering a shift following Yak's use of the phrase 'legal exegesis'. Shocked 

I haven't heard language like that for possibly 5 or 6 lustrums. cheers 

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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:52 pm

Jers wrote:
I started on one side of this discussion but am seriously considering a shift following Yak's use of the phrase 'legal exegesis'. Shocked 

I haven't heard language like that for possibly 5 or 6 lustrums. cheers 

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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:52 pm

Jers wrote:
“Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth."
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“Most jokes state a bitter truth." - Jack Benny

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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:13 pm

Annaias Nin wrote:
We don't see things as they are.
We see them as we are.
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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:51 pm

cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:29 pm

Yak wrote:
5) 

His defence was based on the Terrorism Act.

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[The judge] said . . . he 'did not believe he had the power to rule under the terrorism act'.
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The Judge has the power to refer the case to a court which DOES have jurisdiction.

He can do this if he feels the matter is valid in law.

He didn't, he threw it out. Simple.

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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:20 am

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The Judge has the power to refer the case to a court which DOES have jurisdiction.

He can do this if he feels the matter is valid in law.

He didn't, he threw it out. Simple.
Prosecutors evaluate cases, deciding whether to bring them before a court, or not. Not judges.

Assuming your initial statement is correct, that he did NOT refer it to the appropriate venue tells me quite a lot. Starting with the powers that be not wanting it aired in public.

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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:01 am

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What's important here isn't the "right or wrong" of breaking news.  It is the fact that his argument was persuasive enough to convince a judge Twisted Evil 

That's why Yak started this with "NOT "politics," "conspiracy theory" or disturbing the peace. NEWS."
Judges are as human as reporters - both make mistakes.

On that day at 5pm we were waiting for that building to collapse any moment, as it had been evacuated by rescue crews inside who stated it was coming down.  The reporters error in statement is hardly clairvoyance or proof of conspiracy.

If my memory was correct several floors had actually collapsed already by that time... (Inside the building)

Coming from a family full of architectural professionals who built more than a few tall buildings - the way the buildings collapsed was not "free fall caused by explosives" but just hue type of collapse one would expect after examine the structure and the damage caused to it.
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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:21 am

Yak wrote:
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The Judge has the power to refer the case to a court which DOES have jurisdiction.

He can do this if he feels the matter is valid in law.

He didn't, he threw it out. Simple.
Prosecutors evaluate cases, deciding whether to bring them before a court, or not. Not judges.

Assuming your initial statement is correct, that he did NOT refer it to the appropriate venue tells me quite a lot. Starting with the powers that be not wanting it aired in public.

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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:23 pm

5) yourself, gum. Use your head.

The one thing he accomplished by that was to bring the matter to public attention.

If the judge had referred it to the appropriate venue for prosecution, it would have resulted in even more attention being called to it.

Which those who pull the strings obviously didn't want. As their denying him a hearing on it -- by implication -- demonstrates.

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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:48 pm

Don't forget that he could have pursued it further in civil court if he had a case. Why didn't he? All you have now basically is charges dropped and matter forgotten. This was months ago, why nothing else? Could it be because no attorney or activist group saw enough merit to the claim that would encourage them to throw millions in resources at it?

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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:52 pm

And certainly those that would operate inside such a conspiracy would simply push the man in front of a bus to keep things quiet and not have to worry about the public courts at all.
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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:59 pm

They've had some real problems with that approach the last several years.

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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Thu Sep 26, 2013 4:05 pm

I've heard Hillary has been seen following him around with a sheet of paper, a pair of scissors and a revolver. No wonder he's been in hiding.

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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:01 pm

I thought it was paper, scissors, rock (?)

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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:15 pm

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And certainly those that would operate inside such a conspiracy would simply push the man in front of a bus to keep things quiet and not have to worry about the public courts at all.
Now this makes the most sense to me out of all of them.

Yak, you're saying the "MAN" squashed his thumb on the Judges of the UK?

I mean the Conspiracy is that it was the US Govt. who did this to it's own people,
What kind of pull does the US govt. have over a UK Judge?

Don't you feel even a little ashamed you fall for this stuff?

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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:09 am

You are envisioning this as a tiny cabal of Snidely Whiplash bad guys scheming and plotting to get over on the Dudley Doright majority. That model does not correspond with the behavior of the System as a whole over hundreds of years.

Do you honestly think that judges are not part and parcel of the System as a whole, with a vested interest (a literal one, beginning with bank stock) in keeping the money flowing by perpetuating business as usual ?  

Really ?

All you need is a top-down system where subordinates either keep their mouths shut and do what they're told or else, and a smaller number of executives who personally benefit from following the particular page of the unwritten but well understood script that determines what they do and how they do it.

In other words, exactly what we've got now.

If you don't consider the system as a system, it's as if you're watching as the Soviet army invades Hungary and wondering which individuals in it are "the bad guys."

When you're looking at social insects, you're not dealing with individual bees or ants, but with hives and colonies.

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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:27 am

^^^THIS!

Agree or disagree with Yak's perspective - I think this is one of the best presented arguments I have read in a long time.cheers 

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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:27 pm

Yak's my friend.   I still think he's full of crap sometimes, and other times, he's got it down pat.  I can only hope he feels the same about me.  Regardless, the questioning of a viewpoint as it stands is the colony or the hive, because a single ant doesn't do much.  The way the System(s) work is not a 1960s villain-and-hero tale, it's a well-oiled (sometimes) machine that gets strength from that which is not obvious.   That's by design.  

There's three kinds of people in the world... Controllers (the few, at different rungs of the ladder), Subordinates (the proud; ignorantly or purposefully), and the Awake (the ugly, unpopular crazies).  Now, it's been this way for a long time in varying degrees, but the checks-and-balances of both the citizens and even other countries made this work, roughly.   Didn't matter if it was tribes of Natives on the American Plains or ships fulla conquering white folk.   The problem is, there's no where else to go.  We know the confines of our planet and its resources.   Much of it is visibly finite.   So, alter the visibility, fog the outlook, mask the truth.  Keep people doing as they are "supposed to" for as long as possible.   It's for our own good, right?   Smile 

When something odd leaks out, it's worth pondering.   The Banking/Corporatist society to which we're all part of, like it or not, cannot be the only option.  It hides behind world events, catastrophes (invented or real), political titles, judicial decisions and distracts/controls us with cheap garbage and bad food.    One thing the System has a point about is blaming us...that any dissatisfaction is actually our fault...their solution is, buy more, reach more, dream more.   Another solution is, do more, learn more, be more--the problem may not be our fault, the lack of solution choice is.  

A judge making a decision might be a drop in the bucket, it might be a dead-end, or crap, but sometimes it's worth checking out.   It's better than a steady diet of cable news, sitcoms, arguing over the new OS of your iWhatever, pretending you own your leased car or borrowed home.    I hope, anyway!   Smile  I can't plug back into the Matrix now, no matter how much I'd prefer it.

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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:36 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:11 pm

Whoa! I think i finally get it, in order to distract me from the truths they made folks who believe in this crap to humor me...... thanks guys, I'm distracted already you can quit now


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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:14 pm

If the pendulum swings hard enough to one side, it's bound to smash into the other.

Split the difference, start somewhere. Indulge facts, expect lies. 🤷 Take nothing to heart except that which you find useful and sensible. (Thanks, Bruce Lee).

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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:22 pm

Sensible logical thinking guides me through each day , but I suppose this is where I'll be told that's exactly what they want me to think
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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:30 pm

I dunno. Maybe? Laughing

Depends on what you do when all contingencies are realized. Questioning things for a long time has left me with some very relaxed, clear thoughts. It ain't all worth freaking out over as much as it is just realizing 1 + 1 = 2, and when sometimes it is said to be 3, being inquisitive and open-minded. And of course, rational. I love you

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PostSubject: Re: Breaking News   Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:21 pm

Now that's where it gets confusing cause rationally 1+1=2, I don't care how opened minded you are it never equals 3
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