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PostSubject: Internet Anonymity (!)   Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:01 pm

Internet software pioneer John McAfee has announced that he will be launching a new company that will make the internet “impossible to hack” and says that he will be releasing a device that will prevent the NSA from Spying on you.

My new technology is going to provide a new type of Internet, a decentralized, floating and moving Internet that is impossible to hack, impossible to penetrate and vastly superior in terms of its facility and neutrality. It solves all of our security concerns,” McAfee said in a recent interview.

This includes security concerns in relation to government spying.

There will be no way (for the government) to tell who you are or where you are,” he said in an onstage interview with moderator Dan Holden at the inaugural C2SV Technology Conference + Music Festival. 

And if the U.S. government bans its sale, “I’ll sell it in England, Japan, the Third World. This is coming and cannot be stopped.”

http://intellihub.com/2013/09/30/john-mcafee-announces-plans-make-internet-impossible-hack-even-nsa/

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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:30 pm

There have been devices like the Sabai router that be used in China for secure access through the Great Firewall of China. It requires proxy servers, encrypted vpn and encryption keys such that if one end is compromised, the data is still secure. McAfee may be about to bring a similar product to market.

In the interests of full disclosure, my (real-life, biological) brother owns this company. I use his software on a router of my own, but I am not using the vpn or security stuff beyond the usual tweaks and hardened settings for the servers behind the router. I got Microsoft and Novell certified in the 90's like lots of other people. I did server room admin of some sort for about 15 years, so I am reasonably well informed and not just endorsing this and reading from ad copy because I like my brother..
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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:49 pm

If this works for the good honest people it will sadly work for the not so honest. What are the benefits if we all have them besides a lot less money in our pockets?
If the government wants me they know where to find me, they certainly don't need the internet. I don't indulge in illegal activities so as far as getting incarcerated for illegal activities on the internet or else where is null. If they want to jail me for any reason they can and most likely will without the need of reading my emails or spying on my other activities on the web. So, I don't see this new fangled thingamajig doing any good for anyone......except the criminals that have one or access to one.

It's sort like building the better Bomb, it depends on who has it.


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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:51 pm

This technology has been around for a long time. It is actually free. Mcafee is just looking to cash in on something that already exists by commercializing it and making it high profile.
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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:55 pm

Cartaphilus wrote:
If this works for the good honest people it will sadly work for the not so honest. What are the benefits if we all have them besides a lot less money in our pockets?
If the government wants me they know where to find me, they certainly don't need the internet. I don't indulge in illegal activities so as far as getting incarcerated for illegal activities on the internet or else where is null. If they want to jail me for any reason they can and most likely will without the need of reading my emails or spying on my other activities on the web. So, I don't see this new fangled thingamajig doing any good for anyone......except the criminals that have one or access to one.
While that is indeed true to some extent, there are legit cases for use of this sort of technology. Specifically people in countries that are truly repressive (China/N.Korea/some Middle East) can use the internet in this way and express themselves if not openly, at least they can write out their thoughts. There are also cases where a whistleblower might have an ethical obligation to bring things to light but fears for their own safety in doing so.

For as much as technology has exposed us and stripped our privacy, it is nice to know that technology can also give it back to some degree.
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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:08 pm

I'm sorry, I can't see how making it easier for criminals to hide makes it any easier or better for anybody. I'm sorry about all the people for haven't the right's or freedoms we do but, making it easier for criminals to attack them isn't a answer.
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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:10 pm

I hope his "new technology" works better than his crappy anti-virus program. Twisted Evil 
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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:13 pm

Hermit wrote:
I hope his "new technology" works better than his crappy anti-virus program.  Twisted Evil 
lol! lol! lol! 
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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:19 pm

Cartaphilus wrote:
I'm sorry, I can't see how making it easier for criminals to hide makes it any easier or better for anybody. I'm sorry about all the people for haven't the right's or freedoms we do but, making it easier for criminals to attack them isn't a answer.
You could say that hand guns being legal only helps criminals, but there are cases where good people do need access to hand guns.

Allowing people to share ideas without sharing their identities ensures freedom of speech.

Most things that empower people also empower criminals to some degree. Personally, I adhere to the old message that those who would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:23 pm

Cartaphilus wrote:

...making it easier for criminals to attack them isn't a answer.
I am really NOT trying to stir things up, but isn't this an argument for gun control?
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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:33 pm

It might be construed that way but, this is about NOT giving the criminal the weapon in the first place and giving the honest people something they don't need just to improve someones pocket book size.
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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:32 pm

Tate wrote:
.......Specifically people in countries that are truly repressive (China/N.Korea/some Middle East).......
I suspect some years ago Russia might have been immediately highlighted as a 'repressive' regime. How times change. scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:35 pm

Jers wrote:
Tate wrote:
.......Specifically people in countries that are truly repressive (China/N.Korea/some Middle East).......
I suspect some years ago Russia might have been immediately highlighted as a 'repressive' regime. How times change. scratch

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Those examples were not meant to be inclusive, just demonstrative.
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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:28 pm

If this comes to market I will be glad. The thought of Big Brother knowing my business is quite ominous. There is no way this knowledge cannot be used for control. Very 1984ish.
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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:06 pm

Cartaphilus wrote:
I'm sorry, I can't see how making it easier for criminals to hide makes it any easier or better for anybody. I'm sorry about all the people for haven't the right's or freedoms we do but, making it easier for criminals to attack them isn't a answer.
^^This.

My immediate thoughts are that I'm not comfortable with paedophile rings or terrorist organisations being able to avail of this level of encrypted security.

It is always going to be difficult when balancing an individual's right to privacy against public safety.

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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:36 pm

But Jers, with the exception of one brief period, long ago, the privacy of the mail has never been sacrosanct in your country.

Until recently, it was here.

You did OK your way. But we did OK too.

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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:25 pm

Fear sinks in its teeth at the softest point. Brains being what they are, good place to start.

So long as there's a villain, real, fake or made hyperbolic, there's someone gonna wanna protect us from something before it becomes a Supervillain. Thus, we can never be free if we keep thinking this way.

Am I more afraid of unknown pedophiles and terrorists or the creeping grasp from an unknown white knight always there just-in-time?

:shrug:

All seems the same to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:05 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
Fear sinks in its teeth at the softest point.
Putting on my protective codpiece Shocked 

I find it ironic that people who cry out for freedom and privacy (keep your hands off my guns, too much government trying to control me) would have an issue with this because it might be used by criminals and pedophiles. Sounds like something a conservative would accuse a liberal of (hook line and sinker, suckered in by the fear and/or sympathy card). Give up your freedom for protection? How liberal and socialist!

Shoe on other foot?

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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:24 pm

*** JUST MY OPINION. JUST MY OPINION. JUST MY OPINION***

When the Feds and the Wealthy get every private conversation anyone in the US who uses the phone/email has into some sort of searchable database, who knows what the repercussions will be, but I think it's safe to say none of them will be good. This could mightily potentiate all the evils in society that already exist.

Bad time to have an Arabic name, that's for sure; perhaps a bad time to be a US citizen.

To have an effort that goes after all our information in the name of "protection" is wholly untenable, and may I say it, a looming evil.

Those that covet control and money are sure to use the power of this information in dark ways. Do you trust the powerful in Washington now? I will trust them far less when they know everything about me. They will twist what they find out into a very serviceable package to do what they will with us. Political murders have happened so many times before. How can anyone doubt what will happen here? At best many innocents will die, and the bodies will pile up over time.

American historians referred to the 20th century as the "American" century. This never happened. Between the end of WWII and sometime in the 1970s it was true, but it certainly is no longer true. Our society is in decline. This gathering/use of personal information could very well accelerate that decline.

Information, or how they information is regarded by the powerful, is a key part of the operation of a police state.

*** JUST MY OPINION. JUST MY OPINION. JUST MY OPINION***
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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:16 am

Tate wrote:
Cartaphilus wrote:
I'm sorry, I can't see how making it easier for criminals to hide makes it any easier or better for anybody. I'm sorry about all the people for haven't the right's or freedoms we do but, making it easier for criminals to attack them isn't a answer.
You could say that hand guns being legal only helps criminals, but there are cases where good people do need access to hand guns.  

Allowing people to share ideas without sharing their identities ensures freedom of speech.  

Most things that empower people also empower criminals to some degree.  Personally, I adhere to the old message that those who would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
Well said Tate, thank you.
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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:27 pm

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I find it ironic that people who cry out for freedom and privacy (keep your hands off my guns, too much government trying to control me) would have an issue with this because it might be used by criminals and pedophiles. Sounds like something a conservative would accuse a liberal of (hook line and sinker, suckered in by the fear and/or sympathy card). Give up your freedom for protection? How liberal and socialist!

Shoe on other foot?
Lately, as in, the last three to five years, I've noticed a much sloppier presentation of "the issues" as presented by both sides. Things that seem disturbingly similar to an issue a few years ago has now swapped bedfellows. It's also happening more quickly. Besides making the media sluts work a little harder (which they ought to anyway), it's being eaten up with the rest of the gruel served daily and with a smile by the majority of the onlookers/appreciators. To me, and perhaps a few others, it either stinks of too much comfort by the political machine realizing they've entranced everyone sufficiently and so they're not nearly as creative as they once were, or, the rats are leaving the ship, and the smart ones who left early put the controls into the hands of the strikingly average.

Take this "government shutdown" business. I've been hearing/reading talk of how both sides are at fault from more people who used to color themselves solidly red or solidly blue. I mean, it's a stupid thing to get pissed off about (these shut-downs are a ruse-play, happened in the 90s) but this sloppy/loose tactic politics is starting to stir a lot of the entranced out of their stupors.

As usual, I prefer to be surrounded by a solid mix of all walks and opinions, but not the sleepy cow-eyed followers. If things start happening, weird stuff like people agreeing that classically shouldn't/didn't, I know there's a change in the winds. Usually the smarter puppetmasters figure out a way to control and utilize such things, but something tells me a lot of them are taking a vacation; this has be more worried. Lotta scapegoats in the field.

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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:04 pm

When they get everyone so confused that they can't tell friend from foe and nobody can identify, much less fight against, the issues, then the pickins get easy.

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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:09 pm

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When they get everyone so confused that they can't tell friend from foe and nobody can identify, much less fight against, the issues, then the pickins get easy.
True enough.

Then again, it also makes the situation clear and the troublemakers more pronounced. At least in theory, anyway. What "the people" will do about it is quite another matter. 🤷 Change is either a violent reaction or a slow creep. People like "slow." It's like geology: once a rock, always a rock...but really, it isn't. It just slower than the eye can see. Much slower. Build a house with said rocks (or sand, concrete, other mineral composites) and all folks care about is "will my house hold together." "My lifetime" = "forever" in most people's minds. Just snapshot pictures in people's minds that are much easier to lament/get nostalgic/edit with photoshop.

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PostSubject: Re: Internet Anonymity (!)   Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:22 pm

Don't worry about criminals/terrorists/militias/tax evaders being anonymous. Before this "internet anonymiser" hits the shelves, the government will have the manufacturer's backdoors/master passwords dialed into the monitoring equipment. It might save you from a local divorce lawyer, but it won't save you from the Federal level of law enforcement! Just remember, the squeaking wheel gets the grease, but the nail that sticks up gets the hammer!
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