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PostSubject: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:48 pm

To make a long story short, after extensive allergy tests it was revealed to me that I am quite allergic to cedar.  Mad  So much so, that after an intradermal injection a tiny welt about 3mm across eventually became a golf ball sized splotch, and ultimately my entirely forearm blew up and was itching and tingling terribly for 3 days after the test.

This explains some of the wheezing fits that I have had after smoking some of my favorite Latakia blends. Depressing for sure, but I am still quite of fond of complex fragrant Oriental tobacco mixtures. Since it seems that Latakia is off the table, I am looking for Oriental forward blends that don't contain it. One may say, "Dude search Tobacco Reviews," but I know there are quite a few mixtures out there where the blender just lumps Latakia in with the the term Oriental, mixtures like Red Rapparee, EMP, etc. So I turn to you guys & gals.

What's your recommendation for Oriental Mixtures that for sure have no Lat?

So far I have McClelland Drama Reserve, GLP Cairo, and JP Oriental Dusk.

Thanks.... Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Fri Jan 31, 2014 11:47 pm

GLP Embarcadero.

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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:03 am

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GLP Embarcadero.

Totally. You know, I was thinking of appending that one to my little list of blends that I have tried, but then I was thinking what constitutes a mixture? Two tobaccos, three? And is Embarcadero more VA or Turk forward, it's debatable. Anyway, I love Embarcadero and great suggestion Mister E.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:09 am

Most of the McClelland Grand Oriental Series don't contain latakia -- IIRC, only two blends in the line have latakia and are labeled as such.

I ordered the complete series last year when P&C had a 15% off sale on McClellend blends, except for the ones with latakia.  I've smoked a few of them so far and I'm very pleased with them.

Here's a blend that's fairly low on the radar, only available from Smoking Pipes (SPC) -- Low Country Waccamaw --  "a hearty Virginia flake, East Carolina bright leaf serving as the base, with Red Virginias lending sweetness and structure. Perique and a dash of exotic Izmir Oriental leaf complete this complex, satisfying flake."

http://www.smokingpipes.com/tobacco/by-maker/low-country/moreinfo.cfm?product_id=32143

I also buy C&D Turkish Izmir in bulk from SPC and enjoy mixing it with my virginias when the mood strikes.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:29 am

rothnh wrote:
Most of the McClelland Grand Oriental Series don't contain latakia -- IIRC, only two blends in the line have latakia and are labeled as such.

I ordered the complete series last year when P&C had a 15% off sale on McClellend blends, except for the ones with latakia.  I've smoked a few of them so far and I'm very pleased with them.

Here's a blend that's fairly low on the radar, only available from Smoking Pipes (SPC) -- Low Country Waccamaw --  "a hearty Virginia flake, East Carolina bright leaf serving as the base, with Red Virginias lending sweetness and structure. Perique and a dash of exotic Izmir Oriental leaf complete this complex, satisfying flake."

http://www.smokingpipes.com/tobacco/by-maker/low-country/moreinfo.cfm?product_id=32143

I also buy C&D Turkish Izmir in bulk from SPC and enjoy mixing it with my virginias when the mood strikes.

Thanks for the recommendations. Of the McC Grand Orientals, I know the Yenidje Highlander contains a bit of Syrian Lat, do you happen to remember which of the other blends in the series contains Lat? Also which in this series did you find most captivating?
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:41 am

C&D Red Carpet.

A VaPer/Oriental flake. One of my Top Five.

Red Carpet
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:42 am

DrumsAndBeer wrote:
MisterE wrote:
GLP Embarcadero.

Totally. You know, I was thinking of appending that one to my little list of blends that I have tried, but then I was thinking what constitutes a mixture? Two tobaccos, three? And is Embarcadero more VA or Turk forward, it's debatable.  Anyway, I love Embarcadero and great suggestion Mister E.

I think it's just Virginia and Izmir IIRC. It's an interesting blend because it can be either Oriental or Virginia dominant depending on how the planets align.   lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:05 am

Steveaux wrote:
C&D Red Carpet.

A VaPer/Oriental flake. One of my Top Five.

Red Carpet

I'll check that one out, thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:10 am

DrumsAndBeer wrote:


Thanks for the recommendations. Of the McC Grand Orientals, I know the Yenidje Highlander contains a bit of Syrian Lat, do you happen to remember which of the other blends in the series contains Lat? Also which in this series did you find most captivating?


Here's the Grand Orientals I ordered. None of these contain latakia:

McClelland Grand Orientals Black Sea
Sokhoum (50g tin)

McClelland Grand Orientals Classic Samsun
(50g tin)

McClelland Grand Orientals Katerini
Classic (50g tin)

McClelland Grand Orientals Yenice Agonya
(50g tin)

McClelland Grand Orientals Yenidje Supreme
(50g tin)

McClelland Grand Orientals Drama Reserve
(50g tin)

McClelland Grand Orientals Smyrna No. 1
(50g tin)

I've smoked the Classic Samsun, the Smyrna No. 1 and the Drama Reserve so far and enjoyed them.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:34 am

rothnh wrote:
DrumsAndBeer wrote:


Thanks for the recommendations. Of the McC Grand Orientals, I know the Yenidje Highlander contains a bit of Syrian Lat, do you happen to remember which of the other blends in the series contains Lat? Also which in this series did you find most captivating?


Here's the Grand Orientals I ordered. None of these contain latakia:

McClelland Grand Orientals Black Sea
Sokhoum (50g tin)

McClelland Grand Orientals Classic Samsun
(50g tin)

McClelland Grand Orientals Katerini
Classic (50g tin)

McClelland Grand Orientals Yenice Agonya
(50g tin)

McClelland Grand Orientals Yenidje Supreme
(50g tin)

McClelland Grand Orientals Drama Reserve
(50g tin)

McClelland Grand Orientals Smyrna No. 1
(50g tin)

I've smoked the Classic Samsun, the Smyrna No. 1 and the Drama Reserve so far and enjoyed them.

Thanks for the info.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:49 am

Speaking of McClelland, 221b series Arcadia -- so far as I know/can tell, no Latakia. Hopefully others here will verify that
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:58 am

DrumsAndBeer wrote:
Steveaux wrote:
C&D Red Carpet.

A VaPer/Oriental flake. One of my Top Five.

Red Carpet

I'll check that one out, thanks.

Red Carpet should come with a warning label: "Highly addictive". Stuff is superb.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:10 am

L. J. Peretti's Oriental #40. The most turkish forward blend ever.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:55 am

Do you have the same issues with Syrian latakia or just Cyprian? They are two completely different animals to me.

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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:06 am

The drama reserve and the Yenidge supreme are fantastic,  the Peter stokkabye Turkish is fantastic, a nice mellow, sweet smoke, I have  a few of these blends laying around if you shoot me your address I can send you some samples
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:44 am

+1 on the McClelland, 221b series Arcadia. Very nice.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:22 am

One of the FINEST NO LATAKIA Oriental blends is Tashkent made by L.J. Peretti up in Boston. They are some funky folks to deal with (no inter web orders, only over the phone) but this blend is WELL WORTH the effort !!  Twisted Evil 
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:09 pm

DrT999 wrote:
Speaking of McClelland, 221b series Arcadia -- so far as I know/can tell, no Latakia.  Hopefully others here will verify that

Thanks Dr. T, You know, I might have a tin of Arcadia. I completely overlooked this blend. For some reason I thought it contained Latakia.

docwatson wrote:
L. J. Peretti's Oriental #40. The most turkish forward blend ever.

I'll check that one out. Love Turkish.

Puff Daddy wrote:
Do you have the same issues with Syrian latakia or just Cyprian? They are two completely different animals to me.

Good question. It's really tough to know for sure what is used in the smoke curing process for either types of Lat. I am definitely sensitive to Cyprian. The last Syrian I smoked was HH Vintage Syrian. Honestly I didn't pay too much attention to how it is made me feel afterwards, as this was prior to having any symptoms. I'll need to revisit a few Syrian blends and see what happens. I spoke to Greg Pease and he seems to think that the culprit might be the cedrol that is found in most conifers. My allergist also mentioned that cedrol was used in making the intradermal serim for the test.

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The drama reserve and the Yenidge supreme are fantastic,  the Peter stokkabye Turkish is fantastic, a nice mellow, sweet smoke, I have  a few of these blends laying around if you shoot me your address I can send you some samples

Thanks for the offer Harry, very generous of you. I'll put those two on the list. I have plenty of baccy at the moment, so I'll save you the postage.  Very Happy

monbla256 wrote:
One of the FINEST NO LATAKIA Oriental blends is Tashkent made by L.J. Peretti up in Boston. They are some funky folks to deal with (no inter web orders, only over the phone) but this blend is WELL WORTH the effort !!  Twisted Evil 

Tashkent,  Thanks for the tip...
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:19 pm

DrumsAndBeer wrote:
To make a long story short, after extensive allergy tests it was revealed to me that I am quite allergic to cedar.  Mad  So much so, that after an intradermal injection a tiny welt about 3mm across eventually became a golf ball sized splotch, and ultimately my entirely forearm blew up and was itching and tingling terribly for 3 days after the test.

This explains some of the wheezing fits that I have had after smoking some of my favorite Latakia blends. Depressing for sure, but I am still quite of fond of complex fragrant Oriental tobacco mixtures. Since it seems that Latakia is off the table, I am looking for Oriental forward blends that don't contain it. One may say, "Dude search Tobacco Reviews," but I know there are quite a few mixtures out there where the blender just lumps Latakia in with the the term Oriental, mixtures like Red Rapparee, EMP, etc. So I turn to you guys & gals.

What's your recommendation for Oriental Mixtures that for sure have no Lat?

So far I have McClelland Drama Reserve, GLP Cairo, and JP Oriental Dusk.

Thanks.... Very Happy

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After re-reading your OP I have to ask the question, what does an allergy to cedar have to do with Latakia? It botanically has no connection to tobacco and the process of smoking the leaves of this variety is to smoke it over dung fires so I'm trying to connect the two.  Question 
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:44 pm

monbla256 wrote:
DrumsAndBeer wrote:
To make a long story short, after extensive allergy tests it was revealed to me that I am quite allergic to cedar.  Mad  So much so, that after an intradermal injection a tiny welt about 3mm across eventually became a golf ball sized splotch, and ultimately my entirely forearm blew up and was itching and tingling terribly for 3 days after the test.

This explains some of the wheezing fits that I have had after smoking some of my favorite Latakia blends. Depressing for sure, but I am still quite of fond of complex fragrant Oriental tobacco mixtures. Since it seems that Latakia is off the table, I am looking for Oriental forward blends that don't contain it. One may say, "Dude search Tobacco Reviews," but I know there are quite a few mixtures out there where the blender just lumps Latakia in with the the term Oriental, mixtures like Red Rapparee, EMP, etc. So I turn to you guys & gals.

What's your recommendation for Oriental Mixtures that for sure have no Lat?

So far I have McClelland Drama Reserve, GLP Cairo, and JP Oriental Dusk.

Thanks.... Very Happy

D,
After re-reading your OP I have to ask the question, what does an allergy to cedar have to do with Latakia? It botanically has no connection to tobacco and the process of smoking the leaves of this variety is to smoke it over dung fires so I'm trying to connect the two.  Question 

I believe the dung is a myth, rather the tobacco is smoked over burning resinous branches/leaves, which might be similar to cedar
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:54 pm

At this point, I am wishing it was dung.  Wink 
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 3:05 pm

I agree about the Peter Stokkebye Turkish Blend, it's very good and easy on the wallet.

I may have posted this before, but the only issue with PS Turkish Blend is that it's sold in two versions -- an RYO cut and a ribbon cut and it's often not labeled as to what cut you're getting-- the ribbon cut smokes much better in my pipe, so I always ask about the cut before ordering it online. I know that CI sells the ribbon cut version.

Also, McClelland makes a bulk called Turkish Blend that's also very good.

Neither of these blends have a bunch of Turkish tobacco, though you can taste it.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:26 pm

McC Matured Virginias No. 24 (Drama) and McC Tudor Castle (Yenidje) are two of my favorite tobaccos.
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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:12 pm

I would be happy to send you some 3 Oaks Syrian, for scientific purposes of course.

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PostSubject: Re: Recommendations for Oriental Mixtures with no Latakia   Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:02 pm

rothnh wrote:
I agree about the Peter Stokkebye Turkish Blend, it's very good and easy on the wallet.

I may have posted this before, but the only issue with PS Turkish Blend is that it's sold in two versions -- an RYO cut and a ribbon cut and it's often not labeled as to what cut you're getting-- the ribbon cut smokes much better in my pipe, so I always ask about the cut before ordering it online.  I know that CI sells the ribbon cut version.

Also, McClelland makes a bulk called Turkish Blend that's also very good.

Neither of these blends have a bunch of Turkish tobacco, though you can taste it.

Thanks!

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McC Matured Virginias No. 24 (Drama) and McC Tudor Castle (Yenidje) are two of my favorite tobaccos.

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll put those on my list. I forgot about the Matured VA with the Drama addition.

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I would be happy to send you some 3 Oaks Syrian, for scientific purposes of course.

PD, thanks for the offer. I think I might have a tin though, either that or Celebrated Sovereign. I'll have to check. Either way, I have the Syrian need for the scientific experiment. I read that when in production Syrian leaf was cured with stone pine and oak. The stone pine would probably contain the dreaded cedrol. I'll find out soon enough.

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