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RDPipes

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PostSubject: Re: pre-carbonization - thoughts...   Tue Apr 15, 2014 6:16 pm

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Cartaphilus wrote:
Danish Guy wrote:
How is your Askwith?  do you have a morta?  I always wanted one.

No Morta, it's a strange looking Rhodesian/Canadian? Fine smoker. Wink 

That is one of the coolest looking pipes I have seen.  I wanted one but could not afford it.

I couldn't either,.......I purchased this one off of Rustymouse in the trading post here unsmoked for a very good price.
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PostSubject: Re: pre-carbonization - thoughts...   Tue Apr 15, 2014 7:56 pm

Don't like a bowl coating myself. In fact I've had Coastie3202 (John) remove them from several pipes recently, which included mostly Pete's.

Had one really discouraging experience with a new Pete which had a bowl coating, and that was the tipping point for me.

I understand why pipe factories like Peterson include this as a SOP. However I like to break in the pipe according to my SOP's!!

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PostSubject: Re: pre-carbonization - thoughts...   Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:10 am

Brewdude wrote:
Don't like a bowl coating myself. In fact I've had Coastie3202 (John) remove them from several pipes recently, which included mostly Pete's.

Had one really discouraging experience with a new Pete which had a bowl coating, and that was the tipping point for me.

I understand why pipe factories like Peterson include this as a SOP. However I like to break in the pipe according to my SOP's!!

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Cheers,

RR

Peterson, for sure, has one of the worst bowl coatings. It usually ends with a mouthful of gooey carbonized juice.
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PostSubject: Re: pre-carbonization - thoughts...   Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:22 am

Finally a breakthrough on bowl 24 or 25. Just did 2 bowls this A.M. with a pot of coffee and I finally taste the incredible tobacco - bottom 1/4 a bit sketchy yet - but forward progress is made. This should work out nicely. in 46 years of pipe smoking I have never experienced this situation. I hate having to put up with wasting 25 bowls of a fine tobacco to get the funk out - This, to me, is uncalled for!

But this could be a stellar pipe overall.

patience and perseverance was needed. Plus wasting all of that wonderful tobacco.

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PostSubject: Re: pre-carbonization - thoughts...   Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:36 am

One final update: Bowls 35, 36, and 47 started shine. I am over the hurdle and maybe another 10 bowls and it should be a magnificent pipe.

The point of this thread was not to bash the pipemaker. That is why I did not mention him by name. but if this pipe was so bad to start and the coating was a nightmare you can bet al of his pipes have the same experience. That is why I said i would never by another of his. One should not have to waste 35 bowls of a magnificent tobacco to finally taste 1 nice bowl. That is terrible! I only smoked 1 tobacco a heavy latakia blend and that did not mask the coating experience and taste.

However, this should be a stellar smoker as well as looker!

 sunny sunny sunny sunny sunny sunny 
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PostSubject: Re: pre-carbonization - thoughts...   Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:50 am

To tell you the truth I've had some pretty nasty pipe break ins and they didn't even have a bowl coating.
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PostSubject: Re: pre-carbonization - thoughts...   Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:13 am

Thank you for your comments.  Smile 
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PostSubject: Re: pre-carbonization - thoughts...   Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:53 am

I have had only one negative experience with a bowl coating. It was a Peterson. The first smoke was terrible. I worked at removing some of the coating but their coating is firmly in place. A second smoke showed some improvement, but still tasted bad. I gave up and stored the pipe. After two years I tried the pipe in question again and it was noticeably better.

I still don't reach for it. :-/
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PostSubject: Re: pre-carbonization - thoughts...   Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:53 pm

gravel wrote:
I have had only one negative experience with a bowl coating. It was a Peterson. The first smoke was terrible. I worked at removing some of the coating but their coating is firmly in place. A second smoke showed some improvement, but still tasted bad. I gave up and stored the pipe. After two years I tried the pipe in question again and it was noticeably better.

I still don't reach for it. :-/

Sand it off with a dremel followed by micromesh. That's what Coastie3202 (John) did with mine and it was just the ticket!


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PostSubject: Re: pre-carbonization - thoughts...   Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:10 pm

I have several pipes made by Canadian carver Phil Trypis. If memory serves, he used a clay coating for his bowls, Not sure what the process was. But the effect was that Trypis pipes had a rep for breaking in quickly and smoothly and smoke sweet.
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PostSubject: Re: pre-carbonization - thoughts...   Fri Aug 01, 2014 1:43 pm

Coated, uncoated... I don't care really. The thing I find odd with some of the Pete's I've had new is that during the first few smokes I'll run a pipe cleaner through and get a bit of the stain. I only mention it because new Pete's have been brought up in this thread. Sorry to wander off topic. Forgive me.
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PostSubject: Re: pre-carbonization - thoughts...   Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:48 pm

I'll bet in a blind test very few could tell which bowl was coated and which wasn't. I think it's more of a head game with some... same as the Pete horror stories. just because you read it on the internet doesn't make it true but if you read it enough you start to believe it.
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PostSubject: Re: pre-carbonization - thoughts...   Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:44 pm

Bullwinkle wrote:
I'll bet in a blind test very few could tell which bowl was coated and which wasn't.  I think it's more of a head game with some... same as the Pete horror stories.  just because you read it on the internet doesn't make it true but if you read it enough you start to believe it.

I would have to aree with you COMEPLETY on this Bull. I'm glad someone stated this !!  Twisted Evil Twisted Evil 
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PostSubject: Re: pre-carbonization - thoughts...   Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:29 pm

on another forum you get the guys that are constantly pounding on the Pete's.. but, when pushed come to find out they don't even own a Pete. but, they know a guy who knows a guy who's brother had a bad Pete.
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PostSubject: Re: pre-carbonization - thoughts...   Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:49 pm

Bullwinkle wrote:
on another forum you get the guys that are constantly pounding on the Pete's.. but, when pushed come to find out they don't even own a Pete. but, they know a guy who knows a guy who's brother had a bad Pete.
This year I purchased 3 Peterson pipes. Out of the three I have one. The other two were drilled poorly. The first one was a '14 St Patrick's day pipe, shape 107 (returned). The second is an Irish Made Army shape 120 (kept). And the third Pete was an Irish Made Army shape 69 (returned). The 69 shape is the one that I still have the pics showing the bad drilling. If you care to see 'em I'll post 'em.

While I do not bash them, I will not buy a new one, ever. I will buy vintage estate Petersons. In fact I have a 309 system at Walker Pipe Repair getting cleaned and fitted with a new stem to mimic the 4AB Basil Rathnone smokes in the Sherlock films.

So I guess I'm the guy that somebody's brother knows about.
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PostSubject: Re: pre-carbonization - thoughts...   Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:48 am

I have two inexpensive pipes right now that I bought that have pre-carb, the rest of my pipes are ones I refurbed and took down to the wood. I don't notice a difference in the pre-carb versus wood. Both pre-carbed pipes were from the same brand (Italian), so maybe they just have a good pre-carb formula or maybe my taste isn't discerning enough.
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PostSubject: Re: pre-carbonization - thoughts...   Wed Aug 06, 2014 11:39 am

In my experience--and that's all this opinion is based on--there is a rapport that exists between the wood and the tobacco in a good pipe.  There are times when you can taste it, and if it weren't there I would only smoke meerschaums.  Or cobs, which have their own rapport with the tobacco.  Bowl coatings seem to me to interfere with this, at best.  At worst, they might be covering up something, like green wood.  I have had cheap basket pipes that tasted pretty good for the first few bowls.  Then the coating apparently burned away and the pipe is only good for hurling.

But the whole thing is moot.  It's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.  If coatings were really needed they would be put on cobs, I would think.  I have quite often been right on the verge of buying a pipe and then backing out upon discovering the bowl has been coated with who knows what?  That will continue.

P.S.  I just remembered that Peterson's pricier offerings have no bowl coatings.  Gee whiz, I wonder what's up with that? he said, slyly.
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