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Clay

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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Sat Sep 20, 2014 1:46 pm

I cut off the cable 6 months ago to save some money and be more active.  It worked! I got a lot done this summer.
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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Sat Sep 20, 2014 3:15 pm

Clay wrote:
I cut off the cable 6 months ago to save some money and be more active.  It worked! I got a lot done this summer.

cheers You are one hell of a man! Congratulations! Seriously.
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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:10 pm

Richard Burley wrote:
Clay wrote:
I cut off the cable 6 months ago to save some money and be more active.  It worked! I got a lot done this summer.

cheers You are one hell of a man! Congratulations! Seriously.
Thank you sir! I guess I needed a pat on the back. I put a new roof on my mud room, and cut, split, and stacked 2 1/2-3 cordes of firewood. The trick for this old fat guy was to picked a iced coffee after work. Now we are coming into the rain season, yesterday heavy rain and blowing with gust to 45, that's not surprising for here. Perfect weather to watch TV.  Oh well, I need to catch up on my reading and I will have more time here!! We do have a DVD player we use.
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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Sun Sep 21, 2014 4:28 pm

Cut the cord months ago and never been happier, we were paying 200 bucks a month for a bunch of commercial packed crap we didn't even enjoy watching.

Internet, Roku, and a subscription to Netflix and Amazon takes care of my needs. My wife uses Hulu.

I wouldn't mind going back to cable if I could pay by the channel and leave out whatever I don't want.
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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:25 pm

Smokey that will never happen. From what I understand the laws are written requiring them to carry public stations and believe it or not the shopping stations. There may be others that are required like local stations but I'm unsure. I guess what I'm saying is as good, no great, an idea it is the law would have to be changed first.
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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:25 pm

puros_bran wrote:
Smokey that will never happen.   From what I understand the laws are written requiring them to carry public stations and believe it or not the shopping stations. There may be others that are required like local stations but I'm unsure.      I guess what I'm saying is as good, no great, an idea it is  the law would have to be changed first.  

Yep, packages are made in a way that successful stations help support unsuccessful stations. Rolling Eyes

I believe they should have to stand alone, sink or swim.
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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:43 pm

Simple Man wrote:
puros_bran wrote:
Smokey that will never happen.   From what I understand the laws are written requiring them to carry public stations and believe it or not the shopping stations. There may be others that are required like local stations but I'm unsure.      I guess what I'm saying is as good, no great, an idea it is  the law would have to be changed first.  

Yep, packages are made in a way that successful stations help support unsuccessful stations. Rolling Eyes

I believe they should have to stand alone, sink or swim.

I've believed for many years that the customers should be able to pick and choose (and pay) for what they want, same as anything else in the world. The packages they offer have more S**t in it than anything else. Who watches those shopping/public access channels anyways??

Mad

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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:07 pm

I've been following this thread and its interesting to see everyone's comments.

I cut the cord 14 or 15 months ago. We (my wife and I) had a baby and we soon found out there was no time to watch TV so I canceled DirecTV, installed an HD antenna, purchased a few Rokus, signed up for Netflix and Hulu (already had Amazon Prime). A month later I dumped Hulu. I had a problem paying to watch commercials. I now have all I need and when I need it. No regrets.
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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:52 am

puros_bran wrote:
Dave.      If you have Amazon Prime get it... If you don't, stick with Roku.  

The Amazon remote is way to easy to lose.
Not as many options as Roku as far as stations go (wether you call them apps or channels.) but all the important stuff is there.
Amazon does have a nicer interface.

I bought the Amazon box when it was $100.  I bought the Roku 3 when it was $100.  For $100 Amazon wins. If Roku 3 (or better) is $50 Roku wins.

Roku 3 is listed at $99, but is routinely on sale for $60-70. Amazon had been holding steady at $100, but this weekend Bestbuy had it for $85, and today Staples started selling it for $75. So I took the bait.

I was an early adopter of the Roku and still love it, but Comcast blocks access to HBO Go on Roku for some odd reason. If it weren't for that, I would go with the Roku without hesitation.
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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:28 pm

Brewdude wrote:
Simple Man wrote:
puros_bran wrote:
Smokey that will never happen.   From what I understand the laws are written requiring them to carry public stations and believe it or not the shopping stations. There may be others that are required like local stations but I'm unsure.      I guess what I'm saying is as good, no great, an idea it is  the law would have to be changed first.  

Yep, packages are made in a way that successful stations help support unsuccessful stations. Rolling Eyes

I believe they should have to stand alone, sink or swim.

I've believed for many years that the customers should be able to pick and choose (and pay) for what they want, same as anything else in the world. The packages they offer have more S**t in it than anything else. Who watches those shopping/public access channels anyways??

Mad

Cheers?



RR

Though it could very well be the law that requires carriers to have all kinds of channels, I don't think that is actually the case, but I could be entirely wrong. The last time I read up on this issue (and it was many years ago so the law could have changed) it had more to do with network ownership. We, in the US, have lots and lots of channels but the companies that own them are few, and they have their rules. If you want ESPN and the company that controls ESPN also owns "the kite channel" then you are stuck with both. Yeah, ESPN would help support the kite channel, which I doubt anyone would want to watch.

I do think that channels should stand alone because it is not really the most successful channel helping the lame ones, it is you, the subscriber. Your cable bill includes the money that the cable carrier pays the actual station per subscriber. For example, if Comcast carries ESPN then Comcast has to pay X amount of dollars to ESPN per subscriber. Normally, channels cost cents to 1 or 2 dollars per subscriber, and there are some, like ESPN, that are over 5 dollars. You think 5 bucks for one channel, or cents for some others isn't a lot, but it adds up. ESPN is the most expensive channel, why not have the ESPN network be a separate package?

ESPN isn't something I care much for. I like baseball and amateur boxing, I can get that in other channels, cheaper too, why am I stuck paying for ESPN? Cable has a few hundred channels, out of which I could shave off about 50 bucks a month because I don't need them. I do realize that not everyone wants to shave off the same channels, but I do think that you might want to avoid paying for the ones I may want to watch.

$50 dollars a month isn't such an amount that would really impact my finances, but that's 600/yr I can use for something else entirely, and I believe this is the main reason why a lot of people are cutting their cable. Let's quantify it to see how much we save. I had a package that cost me 200/month + internet which I won't count towards cable because I need the internet, it is the equivalent of having a landline 10-20 years ago.

Plan 1 - Cable
200/mo = 2400/yr (with not much to watch) - This includes box rentals (this is another pet peeve, I have to "rent" a box to pay you for a service?)

Plan 2
Roku+Hulu+Netflix+MLB

Roku= 100 (at the most), 8.3 dollars a month we can count a "rental fees," which will not be there after the first year
Hulu = 8 bucks a month = 96/yr
Netflix = 8/mo = 96/yr
MLB = 50/yr
TOTAL 1st year: 342.00
Total 2nd year: 242.00 (no longer paying for Roku) - This is close to what you pay monthly for cable.
Total Monthly for 2nd year: 20.16 per month (SAVINGS: 179.84 per MONTH)

So why are people still paying for cable?

Mind you, I did not include some things here, here's what and the reasons:
- Amazon Prime: I already had a prime subscription for other reasons, the fact that they have instant video is a plus
- Internet subscription: I already had one, as I suspect many people do

I get exactly what I want, on demand, no BS and a fraction of a fraction of the commercials, for 180 bucks a month cheaper plus I can get free channels too. Also, I can customize my subscription to plan 2 and drop whatever I want at any point.

You'd think cable companies would get smarter and offer us something better, what do they do instead? they drop netflix so you have to go get HBO...


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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:25 pm

where are you guys paying $200 a month for cable?
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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:43 pm

It gets deeper depending on a lot of different circumstances but the base line.
The rules get even more screwy with satellite.
From Fcc.gov

Q: Why must my cable system carry so many broadcast stations?

A: The Communications Act requires cable operators to set aside a specified portion of their channels for local commercial and non-commercial television stations. A cable operator with 12 or fewer channels must set aside up to three channels for local commercial television stations and at least one channel for a local noncommercial educational television broadcast station. Cable operators with more than 12 channels must set aside one third of their channel capacity for local commercial stations. Cable systems with between 13 and 36 channels must carry at least one, but need not carry more than three, local noncommercial educational television stations. Cable systems with more than 36 channels must carry all local noncommercial educational television stations requesting carriage with some exceptions for duplication of signals. Local television stations choosing the must-carry option and those that have negotiated agreements for retransmission with the cable system count towards this quota.
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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:20 pm

Does this roku thing get you espn and nfl football?

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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Mon Sep 22, 2014 10:35 pm

no.
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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Tue Sep 23, 2014 8:55 am

Puff Daddy wrote:
Does this roku thing get you espn and nfl football?

ESPN no, unless you have a cable subscription.
NFL - I don't know

PB: The way I'm reading the law you posted, it seems to deal with local channels, not about having to carry one channel (non-local) because the owner of the channel also owns other non-local channels. The question then becomes, how does the law define a local channel? Is it a local, public access station? or having a relay station in the area qualify a channel like, say, ESPN as a local channel?
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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:15 am

The $200 per month does seem high.

Here:

Directv $105
Charter internet $50
Netflix $8
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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:02 am

J Soshae wrote:
The $200 per month does seem high.

Here:

Directv $105
Charter internet $50
Netflix $8

Yes, high. Also, my pay did not include internet.

Keep in mind
- prices very per location
- Prices change after some months (introductory rates, etc)
- Price increases if you add any "premium" packages to watch what's already on netflix
- I don't think online quotes include fees, rentals (equipment) etc.

When you add it all up (it is always surprising when you get your first bill considering the advertised rate) you will get close to 200/mo
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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:31 am

I wouldn't pay $200 either. I have Dish 250 channel and after the introductory year it's $98. Includes the $10 Sports package.

Some people switch back and forth between Dish and Direct every 2 years to take advantage of the first year discount. There really isn't any difference between the two.
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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:32 am

Michigan does sound higher than Alabama. I wonder why?

Those amounts are not introductory. I pulled up some budget spreadsheets from 2010.

For comparison:

Directv               (2010 $90)  -  (2014 $105)
Charter internet  (2010 $50)  -  (2014 $50)
Netflix                (2010 $12)  -  (2014 $8 )

Charter wants to lock customers in at $55.00 per month. By making a 15 minute phone call once per year and threatening to cancel, we are able to keep the $50 per month rate. So a savings of $60 per year for 15 minutes effort.
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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:33 am

J Soshae wrote:
The $200 per month does seem high.

Here:

Directv $105
Charter internet $50
Netflix $8

It thought the same thing...I'm on Time-Warner for Cable and Internet ($130/mo total), Netflix ($12/mo), Amazon Prime (equiv. $8/mo). So I'm at $150/mo ($1,800/yr) for television, movies, and internet. Not that I'm thrilled to shell out $1,800, but we do make good and frequent use of those services, so I'm ultimately ok with it.
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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:41 am

idbowman wrote:
J Soshae wrote:
The $200 per month does seem high.

Here:

Directv $105
Charter internet $50
Netflix $8

It thought the same thing...I'm on Time-Warner for Cable and Internet ($130/mo total), Netflix ($12/mo), Amazon Prime (equiv. $8/mo).  So I'm at $150/mo ($1,800/yr) for television, movies, and internet.  Not that I'm thrilled to shell out $1,800, but we do make good and frequent use of those services, so I'm ultimately ok with it.

I don't know about Michigan, but at least my area. That's what I was paying.
It boils down to what Idbowman said: do you have the use for it?

100 +/- per month spent in something you'll use above all else? sure
In my particular case, no, I can get away cheaper. I guess if I was a football fan I'd consider cable.
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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:05 pm

Fios in Philly is:

$75 for TV
$46 for Internet
$19 for HBO
$32 for 2 boxes (one DVR)
$15 in fees


But wait!!! I do save $5 for bundling TV and Internet.
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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Tue Sep 23, 2014 4:02 pm

I just pulled up this month's TWC bill.. $129.78 includes one cisco dvr and one cisco desk top box. 170+ channels, including multiple espns, mlb, hgvt, food, usa, amc, on demand, etc.. etc. and internet, I provided 2 wireless aps. Prime's first year was free with a Kindle purchase the the 2 day shipping sold me and I re-upped at $99 a year. my Kindle has an HDMI out port I can watch movies, youtube, whatever in HD by simply putting the kindle close to the tv and accessing the internet wirelessly. I could also have a land-line included in that price but declined as I have no interest in a land-line
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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Tue Sep 23, 2014 4:25 pm

Smokey that was just one small part of it.. I was just trying to show that there are in fact laws requiring them to carry certain channels. Theres much more...if you want to go further examine the Must Carry Laws or Dig into the C-Span must carry battle. Or the nonsense QVC/HSN pulled to get designated as a 'local channel'.

It's even crazier on the Satellite side. In order to provide ANY local channel they are required to air EVERY local channel down to and including minor low power school stations and what not.
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PostSubject: Re: Any Cord Cutters?   Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:04 pm

I only used netflix and hulu for 2 years. We recently moved into a new house and took the plunge to bundle internet with cable (because there was an introductory offer of course). It comes out to about $80 a month, which is fine for our budget. Before we were trying to save by not using cable but between my MLB yearly, Netflix monthly, and UFC monthly subscriptions, it's pretty much the same cost. And I must say it is really nice to be able to watch the news and Sportscenter again!
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