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PostSubject: I blame Monbla.   Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:33 am

For constantly raving about Mcclellands 2000 Fragrant Matured cake. I tried it, ended up buying a half pound, will probably put up a few pounds of this stuff. Presently smoking some in a Peterson Molly Malone bent brandy. Starts off with a sweet maple/toffee kind of flavor over a zesty Mcclelland virginia base. Before too long it becomes a really nice ginnyweed smoke with the sweetness and flavor moving well back into the background and producing some very well balanced depth. This stuff is great! A virginia cake/broken flake that is enhanced by it's topping rather than a topping that happens to be put on some marginal tobacco.

I rank this right up with GH & co Black and Brown, which is also a damned good tobacco that has a nice topping added to it.

As an aside, I also got in some Mcclelland 5120 fragrant virginia, which is a different animal from FM 2000. This stuff is barely topped (I detect a very faint sweetness that doesn't seem to come from the component tobaccos) and appears to be mainly 5100 Red Cake mixed with 5105 Stoved Black Virginia. This is a smokier tobacco (from the stoved black virginia) and is more simple and straightforward, but is a very fine and enjoyable smoke. Will be interesting to see how this matures with some jar time.

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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:38 am

Thanks for the heads up Puff! I have not sampled any of the offerings you have mentioned, but your descriptions make them sound like something I would enjoy putting into regular rotation.
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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:45 am

2000 has become one of my favorites. It ages well in my opinion, currently I'm dipping into the pound I bought in 2011 and should have bought more. Another "off the radar" tobacco ,,,SHHHH.

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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:39 pm

I smoke at least two bowls of it every day and I looooove how it builds the type of cake that I like in a "new" pipe when "breaking in" !! And it just proves that ketchup and Va's are truly FANTASTIC !! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil I can recomend three other McC's ginny weed blends that I always smoke, 5100 Red Cake, 2010 Classic Virginia and 5115 Old World Classic. Straight Va's/ketchup at their best !! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:49 pm

Every time I light up a bowl of 2000 I ask myself, "Why would anyone want an aromatic when they can have this?" Anyone within earshot might think me odd, but there it is.
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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:44 pm

Richard Burley wrote:
Every time I light up a bowl of 2000 I ask myself, "Why would anyone want an aromatic when they can have this?" Anyone within earshot might think me odd, but there it is.

Im guessing people might think your odd out of earshot as well, Richard lol!
Of course it aint like you got a corner on that particular market, at least not around here. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:51 pm

Fumus wrote:
Richard Burley wrote:
Every time I light up a bowl of 2000 I ask myself, "Why would anyone want an aromatic when they can have this?" Anyone within earshot might think me odd, but there it is.

Im guessing people might think your odd out of earshot as well, Richard lol!
Of course it aint like you got a corner on that particular market, at least not around here. Wink

Ouch, touche, and all that! It is a good tobacco though; I'd call it a sine qua non if I had my wits about me. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:19 pm

I was digging this topic until that ketchup thing came up. Shame too as McClellends are otherwise top notch.

I never picked up the dreaded, foul taste in the Grand Orientals or Dark Star or in ANY other blending house, so what gives with it, anyway?
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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:31 pm

FMC 2000 seems to escape the typical ketchup issue, likely because it is a bulk, I believe. Before my tongue started to actively rebel against nearly any McC mix or blend, FMC 2000 and Dark Star were go-to things for me.

Meanwhile...from the archives--


Ask G.L. Pease wrote:
H.R. writes: Many have commented on the "ketchup" odor of certain Virginia blends, the result of vinegar produced during fermentation. (I always noticed a pronounced "dill pickle" aroma in the old Sullivan Powellís Gentlemanís Mixture.) Do tobacco processors and blenders use specifically chosen yeast, acetobacter or lactobacillus cultures to engender the results they want, or are they just letting nature take its course, as did the winemakers, brewers and bakers of old? Has anyone ever tried using Dekkera/Brettanomyces to produce a "Belgian" style pressed Virginia flake?

A: Personally, Iíve never quite been able to grok the "ketchup" thing. Certainly, there are some tobaccos that exhibit an acetic aroma, and with some expansion of the imagination, I might be able to find something akin to BBQ sauce on occasion, or perhaps Branston Pickle, but not ketchup. Iíve even gone so far as to open a bottle of ketchup and compare its aroma side-by-side with that of the most infamous of "ketchup" tobaccos, and I still donít get it. I think people confuse their condiments, sometimes. Next thing you know, itíll be mustard, and arguments will ensue over whether itís Dijon or yellow.

More seriously, youíre right in that fermentation is the cause of this notable aroma, whatever someone may choose to call it. To the best of my knowledge, blending houses donít inoculate their tobaccos with specific microflora in order to get these effects, but rely on the wild yeasts and bacteria that are present in their environment. One one occasion, I managed to recreate a similar effect, albeit accidentally, so Iím quite sure itís not the result of any sort of additives; just the natural process that tobacco goes through under certain controlled conditions.

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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sat Jan 03, 2015 7:57 pm

Aristokles wrote:
I was digging this topic until that ketchup thing came up. Shame too as McClellends are otherwise top notch.

I never picked up the dreaded, foul taste in the Grand Orientals or Dark Star or in ANY other blending house, so what gives with it, anyway?

Having members of my father's family that were tobacco farmers in N. Carolina, I recall the distinctive aroma everyone calls "ketchup" when I went to the tobacco auction barns in Durham when my Uncle sold his crop. It was usually given off by the piles of Flue Cured Red Va's †and was due to the processing of the raw tobacco not ANYTHING to do with ANY additive!! As far as a "ketchup" aroma or flavor in McC's Red Va's, I've NEVER encountered THAT but I will give you that it has a strong acetic/vinegerish aroma but that does NOT come thru in the flavor IMHO !! Twisted Evil The power of suggestion is and can be VERY STRONG !! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil And since all the experts INSIST on the ketchup thing I just go along to get along ! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:10 pm

I'm somewhat familiar with 2000 Fragrant Matured Cake. Found it pretty sweet for me, almost aromatic as well. Not that that's a bad thing. Just that it was borderline too sweet for me. I don't eat sweets so perhaps that enters into it.

5100 is a go-to and as sweet as I need a 'baccy to be.

Not had the others Michael spoke of (2010, 5115) or PD mentioned (5120). Need to check them out at some point.


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RR

<edit - I hasten to add this is not a mooch attempt!>

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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:54 pm

monbla256 wrote:
Aristokles wrote:
I was digging this topic until that ketchup thing came up. Shame too as McClellends are otherwise top notch.

I never picked up the dreaded, foul taste in the Grand Orientals or Dark Star or in ANY other blending house, so what gives with it, anyway?

Having members of my father's family that were tobacco farmers in N. Carolina, I recall the distinctive aroma everyone calls "ketchup" when I went to the tobacco auction barns in Durham when my Uncle sold his crop. It was usually given off by the piles of Flue Cured Red Va's †and was due to the processing of the raw tobacco not ANYTHING to do with ANY additive!! As far as a "ketchup" aroma or flavor in McC's Red Va's, I've NEVER encountered THAT but I will give you that it has a strong acetic/vinegerish aroma but that does NOT come thru in the flavor IMHO !! Twisted Evil The power of suggestion is and can be VERY STRONG !! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil And since all the experts INSIST on the ketchup thing I just go along to get along ! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

All well and good for your humble opinion, but you did not address the fact hat NO other blender gets "dissed" for the aspect. In MY experience the aroma comes through in McClellend's blends in varying degrees - sometimes only in aroma, sometimes (and this is when I hate it) in both aroma and palate.

What other blending house displays this oddity?
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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:02 am

Aristokles wrote:
monbla256 wrote:
Aristokles wrote:
I was digging this topic until that ketchup thing came up. Shame too as McClellends are otherwise top notch.

I never picked up the dreaded, foul taste in the Grand Orientals or Dark Star or in ANY other blending house, so what gives with it, anyway?

Having members of my father's family that were tobacco farmers in N. Carolina, I recall the distinctive aroma everyone calls "ketchup" when I went to the tobacco auction barns in Durham when my Uncle sold his crop. It was usually given off by the piles of Flue Cured Red Va's †and was due to the processing of the raw tobacco not ANYTHING to do with ANY additive!! As far as a "ketchup" aroma or flavor in McC's Red Va's, I've NEVER encountered THAT but I will give you that it has a strong acetic/vinegerish aroma but that does NOT come thru in the flavor IMHO !! Twisted Evil The power of suggestion is and can be VERY STRONG !! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil And since all the experts INSIST on the ketchup thing I just go along to get along ! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

All well and good for your humble opinion, but you did not address the fact hat NO other blender gets "dissed" for the aspect. In MY experience the aroma comes through in McClellend's blends in varying degrees - sometimes only in aroma, sometimes (and this is when I hate it) in both aroma and palate.

What other blending house displays this oddity?

McCranie's Red Ribbon and Red Flake and in the 20+ years I've smoked McC's blends, I have found NONE to smell nor taste like any ketchup I have in my frig !! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil But if you say it dos, then I guess it does !! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sun Jan 04, 2015 4:22 am

Please don't try and use rationale with Monbla, especially in realms outside his jurisdiction, as it becomes an inevitable game of circular wills. PeeD had to go and headline his name and give him some credit, and new feathers stay firmly in old caps, as the saying goes. Laughing

It's just best to nod, agree with him, and let him have his day in the sun. I love you

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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:04 am

Kyle Weiss wrote:
Please don't try and use rationale with Monbla, especially in realms outside his jurisdiction, as it becomes an inevitable game of circular wills. † †PeeD had to go and headline his name and give him some credit, and new feathers stay firmly in old caps, as the saying goes. † Laughing

It's just best to nod, agree with him, and let him have his day in the sun. † I love you

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I stand corrected by much more experienced experts. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sun Jan 04, 2015 10:33 am

Kyle Weiss wrote:
Please don't try and use rationale with Monbla, especially in realms outside his jurisdiction, as it becomes an inevitable game of circular wills. PeeD had to go and headline his name and give him some credit, and new feathers stay firmly in old caps, as the saying goes. Laughing

It's just best to nod, agree with him, and let him have his day in the sun. I love you

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Seems like good advice. I can't imagine the twist in his knickers when I tell him McClelland blended McCranie's. It ain't worth the bandwidth.
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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:20 pm

Aristokles wrote:
Kyle Weiss wrote:
Please don't try and use rationale with Monbla, especially in realms outside his jurisdiction, as it becomes an inevitable game of circular wills. † †PeeD had to go and headline his name and give him some credit, and new feathers stay firmly in old caps, as the saying goes. † Laughing

It's just best to nod, agree with him, and let him have his day in the sun. † I love you

Cool

Seems like good advice. I can't imagine the twist in his knickers when I tell him McClelland blended McCranie's. It ain't worth the bandwidth.

BTW, I've heard that as well, but McCranuies says they don't, Who ya gonna believe in this world ? Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:28 pm

Hmmm. I have a little bit of FM 2000 stashed away, I'll have to revisit it. I remember being somewhat underwhelmed by it, but I usually feel that way about McClelland VA's when I first try them.
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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:28 pm

Just an idle thought while reading this, because that's what I do: has anyone here actually done an actual side-by-side sniff test with an actual bottle of catsup and an actual representative McClellend blend? (I have not.)

And a follow-up: anyone know of a McClelland blend that has a nice, subdued Sriracha sauce scent?
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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:41 pm

Richard Burley wrote:
Just an idle thought while reading this, because that's what I do: has anyone here actually done an actual side-by-side sniff test with an actual bottle of catsup and an actual representative McClellend blend? (I have not.)

And a follow-up: anyone know of a McClelland blend that has a nice, subdued Sriracha sauce scent?

After all the "ketchup scent/taste" thing awhile back I did. IMHO and what MY nose smelled, they are both ascerbic in overall scent I'd say ( once again this merely my OPINION, NOT FACT) but NOT the SAME. Nor do they taste anywhere near alike but this is merely my INTERPRETATION, NOT FACT !! Check with Kyle and Aristockles as they are the EXPERTS in this !! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil And a Sirachia scented/flavored 'baccy would be GREAT !! Talk about BITE !! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Check over on TR as I'm sure one of those EXPERTS over there has probably found one !! Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:08 pm

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Monbla, do me a favor, go try and sell Books of Mormon over at PeeB's place. I want to see what happens. Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:12 pm

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Just an idle thought while reading this, because that's what I do: has anyone here actually done an actual side-by-side sniff test with an actual bottle of catsup and an actual representative McClellend blend? (I have not.)

Funny you should ask. The wife and I did a sniff test about a year ago. We compared the scent of a tin of St James woods I'd just opened to just about every sauce in our fridge. The closet match we could find was not Ketchup but.......wait for it... †Green Salsa. †alien

The tobacco tasted fine and nothing like salsa. There is obviously something in the process that McClellend uses that gives some of their tins that scent, but I'm not sure what it is.
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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:30 pm

EXPERTS are anyone with a strong differing opinion. It's not a compliment. It's sarcasm and a put-down. Got it. †

Aristokles made a pretty valid observation. That no other blending outfit seems to come up with that (what should we call it?) poontang essence/smell/aura that they're famous for. Why is that? If it's not an additive, it has to be for the same reason that SF sourdough is so distinctive. The unique bacteria and yeast to that little patch of the world?

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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:32 pm

MisterE wrote:
(what should we call it?) poontang

cheers

Though I thought the green salsa equate would have been good enough for ya, E. Heh. Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: I blame Monbla.   Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:36 pm

Kyle Weiss wrote:
MisterE wrote:
(what should we call it?) poontang

cheers

Though I thought the green salsa equate would have been good enough for ya, E. † Heh. † Laughing

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Well, not to brag or anything, but I kind of am a salsa.....EXPERT †Twisted Evil †.....being from Mexico and all. lol!

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