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Thomas Tkach

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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:05 am

monbla256 wrote:
Thomas Tkach wrote:
I think he's not saying they all get some of the 'essence' (whatever that means), but that the term lakeland should be used geographically. In that case, they're all English blends as well. Although etymologically correct, I think that using the term lakeland to refer to the herbal/floral aromatics and English to refer to VA-Oriental-Latakia blends is more descriptive, and thus more useful, even if they're based on historical misinformation...I'd prefer to use the terms so that specifying 'I like English blends' tells you something about my taste for latakia, rather than telling you nothing at all.

As far as things being labeled geographicaly, back in the dark ages, prior to our more enlightened 'puter age, many 'baccy's WERE catagorized in this manner. ENGLISH/BALKAN blends were what most blends made in England were, AMERICAN blends were what most OTC Aro's were refered to and Va's were mainly reffered to as that though sometimes by the cut ie Flake, Ribbon, Coin etc as it was mostly Va's found in these cuts.  Things weren't as SPECIFIC nor were we in our pre-interweb ignorence Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil  

I think I've read that it's a myth to say that all English blends had latakia in them. Nevertheless, if what you're saying is true, you actually were being specific. Because globalization has allowed American blenders to imitate English blenders, we can continue that specificity by using the terms to refer to styles, not to location of manufacture.

The exact thing has happened with beer styles. American craft- and home-brewers are imitating beer styles from England, Belgium, Germany, and Bohemia. We still use the geographical labels, but in reference to style, not to actual location of manufacture. There are even styles names that refer very specifically to geography; Northern English brown vs. Southern English brown, Munich Dunkel, VIenna lager, Dortmunder export, Kolsche, et al. Once upon a time these were just the way beers were brewed in a given area. Now these styles are brewed all over the world.
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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:08 am

Blackhorse wrote:
Slow down. Side stream. Try a Prince. Maybe they're not your thing.

Just a few ideas.

I think I do this already, but I gotta ask - side stream?

Tonight - McC's 2010 Classic Va.

Less sweet than red cake, and not as "muddy" as the SG's.

As in the tongue bite thread I started, I took the Lakeland comment to mean it's a euro style Va, with African (?) sourced Va's, vs. U.S. sourced Va's.

Thomas - is the estate Oscar you have FS a decent Va shape?
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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:26 am

Side stream: the road your Mom always told you that...oh wait! That's not right. It's drawing roughly equal parts via the pipe's bit from the pipe and opening your lips enough to get air from outside the bit/stem at the same time and mix them, sort of. Soma dis, soma dat. A 50/50 draw...smoke and air. It's like you really like good girls, but they gotta be a little bit bad too. Like a marble cake...a soft serve ice cream cone that's mixed vanilla and chocolate...an Oreo! 

Well, enough of that.

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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:39 am

Like cask strength scotch and a splash of water........

Coffee with cream........

Strippers and glitter........

Makes sense.
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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:32 am

But I'd go for the USA version, the Wild Turkey stuff...

Rare Breed & Rocks.

The coffee and stripers work fine.

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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Thu Feb 12, 2015 8:51 am

DireWolf wrote:
Thomas - is the estate Oscar you have FS a decent Va shape?

Sorry, I just shipped that one. Personally, I prefer narrower-medium bowls that are a little taller for VAs.
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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:04 am

Seems like everyone has covered so much I would only add that Kendall Cream Flake is a Samuel Gawith flake that is scented but the taste is dramatically less floral, perfume, panties than the others. It seems, to many, much more accessible in taste. Worth a shot if you are at all inclined. Again, I would dry it really well. A fresh cracked tin and undried before smoking is the failure plan for many SG products imo.
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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:12 am

juanmedusa wrote:
Seems like everyone has covered so much I would only add that Kendall Cream Flake is a Samuel Gawith flake that is scented but the taste is dramatically less floral, perfume, panties than the others. It seems, to many, much more accessible in taste. Worth a shot if you are at all inclined. Again, I would dry it really well. A fresh cracked tin and undried before smoking is the failure plan for many SG products imo.

Always meant to give that one shot.

I agree.

One of the most dissapointing smokes I ever had, St James Flake in my 66 Dunhill Shell Billiard. One of the best smokes I have ever had - St. James Flake in my 66 Dunhill Shell Billiiard. The difference? Decanting and dry time. This makes a world or difference.
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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:18 pm

The side streaming helped a little for the BBF, though I was close to that in pace already.

The flavor improved a little, but it still seemed uni-dimensional.

More testing needed.

Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:49 pm

I'm not much into Best Brown or Medium VA Flakes...preferring Dark Flake & Plug, esp the scented, & Broken Flake No. 7, etc. I also prefer the Sweet Rum Twist, which has just enough flavor to cut the edge off a bit. Lovely, potent, memorable...esp. during recovery in the ER.

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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:18 pm

I'm in sort of the same boat having recently tried to get into va myself. Namely dunhill flake and BBF. I also gave a try to macbaren modern va. I found I couldn't hang with dunhill on this one. Unbelievable sour lemon flavor to it. Which may be my mouth chemistry. The BBF wasn't as bad on that note, but stilll rough. I did enjoy them somewhat, but not enough to keep going after the tin was gone. The macbaren was not bad, but hardly what I had intended to get into originally. It's kind of a light aro, which was very nice but off target. Whatever, it was free from smokingpipes at the time. Monbla recommended some mixtures that had reds and such in them I'm going to try in my next order. Also, I gave another shot to petersons Sherlock holmes, which I have been enjoying more this time around. I think the addition of a bit of burley makes a huge difference.

I don't know if this helps, but it's what Ive picked up on recently. I don't know, I can't see smoking something for an extended period if I can't enjoy it enough to want to smoke more. But then again, I got nailed by a very abnormal sourness that most people don't. Makes my mouth sour just thinking about it.
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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:21 pm

Oh yeah, glenlivet helped. And belvanie Caribbean cask on the rocks. The smoky goodness balances out the sour some for me.
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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:28 pm

I have no problem with the 5100, which is mild and sweet. The stave aged 35 is so good (topping ?), it's almost unfair to include it.

OGS is hitting a middle ground for me. Been hitting it pretty good this weekend. Seems to calm down for me once lit, and I can taste some variations. Once gone, I'm toying with trying an aged OGS to see the difference ageing makes in a specific blend. If favorable in a big way, I'll likely pick up some Va tins here and there to build a bit of a cellar so I can enjoy aged Va's in the future. Will be doing the same with Escudo, and other mild VaPer blends also.

If they didn't age well, no one would do it, so I dropped some $ on some aged tins to find out.
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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:37 pm

Yeah, outside of recommending you try Solani Silver Flake (did I suggest that already?) you might think about branching off the more purely VA flakes and think about VA/Per or VA/Burley, etc. The added components are there not only to provide added flavor notes (which some like and some don't) but to tame the pure VA tendency to burn hot. VA's are often very picky about moisture level and smoking cadence, etc. So, breaking into the Perique blends...first one I'd recommend is Escudo...well received by about 95% of those that try it. Other than that, maybe Reiner's Long Golden Flake, or one of the Rattray trio: Old Gowrir, Marlin Flake or Hal 'O the Wynd. I'd maybe wait on the VA/Burley flakes, as they really include Gawaith Best Brown and Brown Flake Unscented...one of which doesn't work for you I guess. A slightly different direction with a VA/Burley flake would be ones where the Burley is a Dark Fired. Here the Burley is flue cured and adds a nice smokey flavor, a bit like Latakia but different. In this category I would suggest either GLPease Jack Knife Plug or MacBaren HH Old Dark Fired...both appeal to a broad range of smokers.

Good luck.

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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:07 am

Indeed.

The Rattray's, Escudo, and Rainier are on my radar. Also got some Brunello Flake as a Savinelli freebie for the same reason. I've had luck with Dunhill Flake in the past, so that's on the in list to retry also.
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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:12 am

I noticed your signature line...'a rare and different tune'...dancing to which, I assume.


I had to chuckle as it reminded me of a T-shirt we got for our son years ago...

"Meandering to the Beat of a Different Drummer."

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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:29 pm

There's a lot of rubbish that goes around about SG & GH blends, their Va's are some of the best in the World, they are far from the BEST but they're damn good. They demand a fair amount of drying before they will burn well, fresh or 'green' as some refer to fresh tobacco they're mediocre at best but a few years of age on them and they are superb, FVF & BBF are some of the finest tobaccos I have had the pleasure of smoking but I would sooner smoke a good McClelland Va given half the chance.

End of the day chap it is all down to personal taste, as many here enjoy saying "smoke what you like and like what you smoke".
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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Tue Feb 17, 2015 3:44 pm

Blackhorse wrote:
I noticed your signature line...'a rare and different tune'...dancing to which, I assume.


I had to chuckle as it reminded me of a T-shirt we got for our son years ago...

"Meandering to the Beat of a Different Drummer."

It's a snippet from a song.

Smile

The shirt would be more appropriate, personally. I'm too easily distracted to get a serious eclectic thing going.





Squirrel!
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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:25 pm

Myself, being a cheap SOB, always tend to look first at the cost per ounce to direct me in my experimentation with new smokes. That's why I lean towards bulk tobaccos more than packaged. I have seen that aromatics tend to be less expensive, more than likely due to them being lesser grades of leaf that can easily be hidden through casing and toppings. I like aros. They vary in flavour and punch, and there is a lot of room for playing components and flavours. They do tend to get goopy though, and my tastes tend to get as flighty as they choices. Still, I was curious about more natural blends, as I grow my own and want to get away from needing to add artificial stuffs and PG.

As an avid tobacco forum voyeur, I do a lot of reading and comparing notes on blends. Occasionally I will get my hands on some new stuff from other folks, and it gets me shopping, and thinking. Why not try to make these? So, rather than buying stuff that's six bucks an ounce, I get different types and start blending to match what people say about the Big Boy tinned stuff.

Some meets with success, some not. But at 2 bucks an ounce, I can reconcile bad choices.

Also, when tasting individual types, I gag most of the time and wonder "what would possess someone to put this in a pipe?"

I was going somewhere with this.............

Ah, yes, Virginias....

It took a while to get used to Virginias. Each, on their own, are quite different from each other. Also, I noticed that the same VA will taste quite different depending on what's already going on in your mouth. Different beverages consumed do different things to the smoke. What you may like in the morning with coffee might be terrible in the afternoon with lunch, or better with an evening cocktail. What I took for a catsup smell from aged VAs at one time was different after it sat out.

I guess what I'm getting at is in difference to heavily processed aros and cavendishes, Virginias tend to be more varied naturally than other tobaccos, and more dependent on their stage of presentation.
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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:28 pm

"...their stage of presentation.". (?)

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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:32 pm

What's already going on in your mouth. Mouth being the stage. (i.e., drinking tequila and smoking a soft oriental tobacco, you might feel like you are sucking on steam) That kind of presentation....

Sorry, got to rambling........
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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:37 pm

Got it.

See...we really do pay attention. Occasionally.

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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:47 pm

I always pay attention...... or at the very least the consequences. It kinda evens out that way.
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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:39 pm

Kippered maybe, not pickled Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Sam Gawith Virginias   Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:50 am

How do you guys like to smoke FVF when it's the thick, jerky like flakes? I have several pounds I jarred up in '10. The jar I recently cracked, the flakes are extremely thick. No Bueno for fold'n stuff, and so thick they don't rub out well. I'm thinking of cubing them up with scissors. Would like to hear what you all do. Thanks.
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