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PostSubject: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:26 am

Hi all,

Today I started cleaning the estate Brigham 390 Canadian I won off eBay.

First a pic of the pipe as it was received. It looked pretty good! The seller had polished up the exterior, but must have taken the quickly & dirty route for pictures, as the stem oxidation bloomed through right after I put the bit in my mouth the first time.



That led to an Oxyclean soak for the stem and a more thorough investigation of the stummel's innards as well. Not surprisingly, the shank was less than clean, taking about a dozen pipe cleaners with alcohol to get into acceptable shape. I reamed the bowl back to the briar as I usually do with estate pipes. The rim was also a bit banged up, so I did a light topping to smooth things out.

What I uncovered was a myriad of small fissure-like cracks on the inside of the bowl. 3 or 4 of them extend onto the rim, as can be seen in the pics:







So how best to proceed on this one? My idea at the moment is to stabilize the cracks with CA glue, then apply a coating of pipe mud to the entire bowl.

Does this sound right? Anyone done this? Any and all advice is appreciated.
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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:00 pm

I've never seen that issue with a pipe before. Your idea sounds like it may work with THOSE cracks but as many as there are and the fact they are distributed around the bowl makes me wonder if others might not develop as it's smoked. Sadly, this is one aspect of a bad piece of briar that can't be discerned in the factory. Give it a try and let us know how things go !! Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:50 pm

Ever think about pouring some molten pewter in and line the bowl with that?
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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Fri Jul 10, 2015 9:52 am

Thanks for the replies, gents. Wiz - I'm a lot more comfortable with CA glue than I am with molten pewter, so that's what I went with.

I had a bottle of Gorilla brand CA glue on hand - it's a thinker consistency, designed for staying put on vertical surfaces, so I though it might do the trick. I smeared it generously over practically the entire inner surface of the bowl, pressing it into the cracks. After it cured up, I sanded the excess off, taking the bowl back to the briar.

So far so good, I think! Smile Next step is deciding on a bowl coating. I'm kind of intrigues by Steve Laug's charcoal and sour cream bowl coating that he's described several times on rebornpipes.com, but I've also come across several variations on a theme - different mud recipes using cigar ash, wood ash, water, honey, charcoal and sodium silicate (aka water glass).

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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:23 pm

You do realize that CA glue is toxic and when a tobacco chamber reaches about 700 + degrees (that's about the temp produced when you draw off the pipe) it will burn or at least put off fumes. A bowl coating will protect the chamber from burning but, will not reduce the temperatures, so the CA will react with the heat. 5)
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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:33 pm

Cartaphilus wrote:
You do realize that CA glue is toxic and when a tobacco chamber reaches about 700 + degrees (that's about the temp produced when you draw off the pipe) it will burn or at least put off fumes. A bowl coating will protect the chamber from burning but, will not reduce the temperatures, so the CA will react with the heat. 5)

Hey Cart. I don't wish to start an arguement, but if you're correct, I'm puzzled as to its practically universal use in pipe repair? I've seen any number of repair/restoration articles that feature CA glue, epoxies, and even furnace cement used to repair burn-outs and cracks in interior bowl surfaces. All of these products carry a warning label of one kind or another, yet crop up consistently in my research.

For CA glue specifically, my understanding is that it is inert once fully cured.

I'd love to know definitively one way or another though. If I'm wrong, I can always sand out the CA fills I've done and start over. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:32 pm

Hey, You can use any dadburn thing ya want but, ya won't find me using CA glue inside a tobacco chamber.
There's to many other things to use that won't poison ya that I choose to use instead.
Hope that'll smoke real sweet for ya. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:38 pm

Could you line it with Meerschaum? Not pressing, but my concerns run with Cart on this, glue is funky.

I've seen meerschaum lined pipes before, and the clay may be less worrisome........

That's all, I'm done.........
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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:12 pm

I had a similar issue with an estate Savinelli and the cigar ash pipe mud did the trick. Although fissures did not extend to the rim as they do here. On the CA glue point, I'm with Cart on this, but I think a thin coat of mud will offer some protection. You are correct that the majority of nasties are depleted in the curing process, but I would still worry about the residuals given the heat. The dried mud should offer a barrier to the little that might be left.
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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:19 pm

MichaelM wrote:
I had a similar issue with an estate Savinelli and the cigar ash pipe mud did the trick. Although fissures did not extend to the rim as they do here. On the CA glue point, I'm with Cart on this, but I think a thin coat of mud will offer some protection. You are correct that the majority of nasties are depleted in the curing process, but I would still worry about the residuals given the heat. The dried mud should offer a barrier to the little that might be left.
Mike.

Mike, On a second note that I forgot to mention is I use CA a lot and the needle I use to clear the spout gets caked so I burn it off with a lighter. Several times doing this for the first time I got the smoke from it in my eyes and nose, it burnt pretty darn good for something that is suppose to be inert. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:31 pm

I'd give the bowl a coating of honey and just smoke it carefully until it cakes over.

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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:12 am

MisterE wrote:
I'd give the bowl a coating of honey and just smoke it carefully until it cakes over.

If I have spider webbing in an estate bowl, I will use honey and then shake cigar ash in the bowl to keep it from being sticky. This and some careful smoking has always given a protective layer of cake a jumpstart over some iffy areas...
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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:29 am

I'm just reading this.

I shared the mortar cement product I've used with good success on such a problem.

I also wouldn't use CA glue inside the bowl. The mortar cement product is sodium silicate based, so that should be non-toxic to inhale the burned fumes. BUT, I'm no scientist, so proceed with caution.

A buddy just developed a more natural bowl coating that he has used and it does an excellent job (member danielplainview on the PipesMagazine forum). I lost his recipe but just asked to have it sent. I'll post it here as well. (uses food grade activated charcoal).
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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:48 pm

Cartaphilus wrote:
Mike, On a second note that I forgot to mention is I use CA a lot and the needle I use to clear the spout gets caked so I burn it off with a lighter. Several times doing this for the first time I got the smoke from it in my eyes and nose, it burnt pretty darn good for something that is suppose to be inert. Wink

I'd be on the cautious side, I was always told that the best way to tell toxicity in smoke is if it burns black. I'm not sure if that is true, but most things that burn with black smoke like rubber & plastics are toxic. Cartaphilus did the CA on the needle burn with black smoke?
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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:31 pm

TwelveAMnTX wrote:
Cartaphilus wrote:
Mike, On a second note that I forgot to mention is I use CA a lot and the needle I use to clear the spout gets caked so I burn it off with a lighter. Several times doing this for the first time I got the smoke from it in my eyes and nose, it burnt pretty darn good for something that is suppose to be inert. Wink

I'd be on the cautious side, I was always told that the best way to tell toxicity in smoke is if it burns black. I'm not sure if that is true, but most things that burn with black smoke like rubber & plastics are toxic. Cartaphilus did the CA on the needle burn with black smoke?

No black smoke that I recall but, it burned the senses.
I don't know if I'd go with the black smoke theory be it true for rubbers and plastics, other things are toxic also that don't burn black. Like Tobacco for one, and pure nicotine is a deadly poison yet both there smokes are grey to white. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:45 pm

Do a search on PMF about CA glue. It's very often used in pipe making, but I can't ever remember hearing of it being used in the bowl. You can also do a search for bowl coatings that the pros use. Sodium silicate (waterglass) is a common component.
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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Sat Jul 11, 2015 10:32 pm

Well .... ya got me on that one Cart. Come to think of it, I learned that black smoke thing from relatives who were firefighters. They would remark about fires on tv when I was a kid. I always remembered about the black smoke, because one of the guys went in w/o a mask & they were saying he could die from the black smoke.
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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:03 pm

TwelveAMnTX wrote:
Well .... ya got me on that one Cart. Come to think of it, I learned that black smoke thing from relatives who were firefighters. They would remark about fires on tv when I was a kid. I always remembered about the black smoke, because one of the guys went in w/o a mask & they were saying he could die from the black smoke.

Oh don't get me wrong sir, I'm not disagreeing with you.
It's just that some other colors of smoke are just as bad. I remember back in the mid 80's I worked for a trucking company and a forklift driver on the dock stabbed a 55 gallon drum and what ever was in it when it hit the air gave off a greenish smoke and they had to close down everything with in a two mile radius. So just saying not only black smoke can be hazardous.
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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:01 am

Cartaphilus wrote:
TwelveAMnTX wrote:
Well .... ya got me on that one Cart. Come to think of it, I learned that black smoke thing from relatives who were firefighters. They would remark about fires on tv when I was a kid. I always remembered about the black smoke, because one of the guys went in w/o a mask & they were saying he could die from the black smoke.

Oh don't get me wrong sir, I'm not disagreeing with you.
It's just that some other colors of smoke are just as bad. I remember back in the mid 80's I worked for a trucking company and a forklift driver on the dock stabbed a 55 gallon drum and what ever was in it when it hit the air gave off a greenish smoke and they had to close down everything with in a two mile radius. So just saying not only black smoke can be hazardous.

I didn't think you were disagreeing, it's all good brother! I meant ya got me about the tobacco & nicotine smoke being gray/white. There are plenty of toxic things that produce smoke that's not black. Some are chemical reactions like the greenish smoke you were talking about. I was just throwing the black smoke thing out there in case he saw some while he was smoking, he'd know to put it down quick & get some fresh air.
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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:53 am

Here is my friends recipe and a link to a pipe he repaired, that describes the coating:
http://rebornpipes.com/2015/07/10/a-restored-lhs-certified-purex-95-squashed-tomato/

The final step in the restoration after waxing is the carbon bowl coating. Its a very simple detail to make an old estate pipe look fresh again. Maple syrup and activated charcoal. After the bowl chamber is clean and smooth, lightly coat the bowl chamber with maple syrup, then fill the bowl to the top with the charcoal. Leave it for one hour or more then dump the bowl and blow through the shank to remove the excess. Next is the hard part. Dont touch it for 5 days. It takes 3-5 days for it to harden and cure. I usually give it a week just to be sure. Once it has set up, its as tough as a Savinelli carbon coating and looks just as good. The pipe will have the familiar slightly bitter taste of a brand new pipe, but it doesnt last nearly as long. After you smoke a bowl or two it goes away. wrote:
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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:02 am

Fr_Tom wrote:
MisterE wrote:
I'd give the bowl a coating of honey and just smoke it carefully until it cakes over.

If I have spider webbing in an estate bowl, I will use honey and then shake cigar ash in the bowl to keep it from being sticky. This and some careful smoking has always given a protective layer of cake a jumpstart over some iffy areas...

My vote would go to this recommendation. Minimalist, no weird stuff, and if it should fail, just eBay the pipe for some moron to purchase. rabbit
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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:09 am

Richard Burley wrote:


if it should fail, just eBay the pipe for some moron to purchase. rabbit

Ouch!
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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:31 am

I gave up on the pipe mud (ash & water), it's OK for bowl bottoms to build up some height but it will not stay on a vertical bowl wall.
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PostSubject: Re: A Multitude of Micro-Fissures in Pipe Bowl - Fix?    Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:02 pm

Thanks for all the input, gents. I appreciate the input, and the bowl coating recipes - thanks Riff Raff. I happen to have both ingredients ready at hand, so I'll go that route.

I did sand out the CA glue I had originally used - amazing how quickly 80-grit sandpaper around a dowel clean a bowl right back to bare wood! I should be good to go! I will report back with some pics of the finished pipe when I get there.

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PostSubject: Update!   Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:22 pm

As promised, here's my update/follow-up post. I am happy to report that this beautiful pipe is back in action!

I used the maple syrup and charcoal recipe posted above to apply a bowl coating, covering up and (hopefully) protecting the stressed-out bowl from further cracks and/or widening of the existing fissures.

As a reminder here are the "Before" shots:





I applied the coating and let it sit longer than the 5-7 days stipulated in the instructions. I didn't necessarily mean to do this, but a week of vacation overlapped the 5-day mark, so the coating cured for almost 14 days.

And here's the pipe now:



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I had the opportunity to test the pipe this afternoon and all went swimmingly. The pipes smoked very well indeed, and the large bowl and long shank produced a long, cool smoke that lasted nearly an hour while I sat in the shade with a crossword. I detected no sourness or other changes to the tobacco's flavour due to the coating, nor are there any indications of movement in the briar underneath.

I'm declaring this one a success! cheers

Thanks to everyone for their comments, encouragement and practical wisdom. I'm still very much a pipe refurb noob, and as such am very grateful for places like BoB where I can learn from some great people.
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