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PostSubject: Tins for your own tobacco?   Sat Dec 12, 2015 11:58 pm

I know everyone likes canning jars for storage but can you tin your own tobacco in the kind of tins used by C&D and McClelland?
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PostSubject: Re: Tins for your own tobacco?   Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:02 am

How would you make a mostly air tight seal short of having a canning machine like they use?
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PostSubject: Re: Tins for your own tobacco?   Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:10 am

Thats why I'm asking. Can sealing tool like a can openner that you run around the lid to seal instead of open. I dunno.
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PostSubject: Re: Tins for your own tobacco?   Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:27 am

http://www.specialtybottle.com/metal-tin-containers/screw-top/2oz-tsc2.aspx

These guys I have ordered from before, good stuff....


http://www.papermart.com/metal-containers/id=19037-INDEX#catid50038
I have not ordered from these guys, but I like the seal banding for the tins.

Just a couple of suggestions
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PostSubject: Re: Tins for your own tobacco?   Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:35 pm

I only use glass jars for long term storage because then I know I have nothing to fear Very Happy I don't trust tins for storing, only good enough for everyday use.
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PostSubject: Re: Tins for your own tobacco?   Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:48 pm

I don't know and this is just a thought but, if you were to heat your containers with the tobacco in them and then put the lids on would they not vacuum seal like in doing home canning when they cool? scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Tins for your own tobacco?   Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:08 pm

Cartaphilus wrote:
I don't know and this is just a thought but, if you were to heat your containers with the tobacco in them and then put the lids on would they not vacuum seal like in doing home canning when they cool? scratch

Yes, some people will sit the jars in hot water to heat the bottom of the glass before sealing. When the glass cools, voilá, negative pressure.

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PostSubject: Re: Tins for your own tobacco?   Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:50 pm

MisterE wrote:
Cartaphilus wrote:
I don't know and this is just a thought but, if you were to heat your containers with the tobacco in them and then put the lids on would they not vacuum seal like in doing home canning when they cool? scratch

Yes, some people will sit the jars in hot water to heat the bottom of the glass before sealing. When the glass cools, voilá, negative pressure.

Thank you for confirming that "E", I had wanted to do this to a couple of jars (well a lot really) I have to put some age on them without worrying about them maybe drying out. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Tins for your own tobacco?   Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:49 am

I had tossed the idea around before of hunting down one of those tinning machines after having visited C&D a few years back. I think they had a grand total of 3 of them when we took the tour. I can't remember off the top of my head how many tins Chris said their fastest person could do in a day, but I do remember the number being mind boggling. I think two were setup for the 2 oz tins and one setup for 8 oz tins.

I was wanting to get it setup to stash away some bulks or tobacco that comes in bags like Esoterica for longer term aging. I like the idea of the tin to help keep light out and having a good seal, but I think it would be pretty cost prohibitive even to get one of the antique machines. With jars, you can keep light at bay with where they're stored, and it is nice to just pick up a jar and be able to see if anything funky is going on.

Speaking of sealing jars, didn't they used to have some doohickey that worked with a vacuum sealer that would let you seal a regular mason jar lid?
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PostSubject: Re: Tins for your own tobacco?   Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:57 am

nismo270r wrote:
I had tossed the idea around before of hunting down one of those tinning machines after having visited C&D a few years back. I think they had a grand total of 3 of them when we took the tour. I can't remember off the top of my head how many tins Chris said their fastest person could do in a day, but I do remember the number being mind boggling. I think two were setup for the 2 oz tins and one setup for 8 oz tins.

I was wanting to get it setup to stash away some bulks or tobacco that comes in bags like Esoterica for longer term aging. I like the idea of the tin to help keep light out and having a good seal, but I think it would be pretty cost prohibitive even to get one of the antique machines. With jars, you can keep light at bay with where they're stored, and it is nice to just pick up a jar and be able to see if anything funky is going on.

Speaking of sealing jars, didn't they used to have some doohickey that worked with a vacuum sealer that would let you seal a regular mason jar lid?

I have one vacuum lid thing for my food saver, but it only does wide mouth jars.. I do seal some with that, but for the most part I just fill the jar after heating it and cap it. Works well enough for me..
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PostSubject: Re: Tins for your own tobacco?   Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:04 am

FYI, this is the same type of machine C&D uses:

Can Sealer

Not exactly chump change and you still have to source the tins and lids
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PostSubject: Re: Tins for your own tobacco?   Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:52 pm

Hmmmmm...........

No, no, I can't.....

I mustn't.........

God help me.........
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PostSubject: Re: Tins for your own tobacco?   Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:44 pm

You can also put your glass jar (any size) of tobacco in the microwave, cover the top with a saucer or something non-metal, nuke it, then put the lid on. The trick is to warm it, not cook it. For me, thirty or forty seconds on mid-setting is plenty. Many pipers, though, have said a tight seal is sufficient, no need for a vacuum. I've tried it both ways and can't pick a conclusive winner.
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PostSubject: Re: Tins for your own tobacco?   Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:33 pm

^I  can't really tell a difference either. These days I just close them and check that the cap is tight every so often. The rubber seal on the lids will compress, so a slight twist to keep it tight once in a while is a good idea. Also be careful of a piece of tobacco on the rim of the jar, or on the seal itself before tightening. This will cause leakeage. Been there, done that.

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PostSubject: Re: Tins for your own tobacco?   Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:41 pm

Guess I'll just use wide mouth jars. I want to press and age my own plugs just to see what i can custom make.
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PostSubject: Re: Tins for your own tobacco?   Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:40 am

This might / might not be to your point --

I discovered that a small can of tomato paste was the perfect size for tamping bulk tobabacco in a Mason jar. But you gotta be careful not to compress it too much. In fact, it's probably best to leave a bit of air space in there. If you fill a Mason jar at room temp and nuke it as discribed above, the warm tobacco will absorb quite a bit of compression. You may be tempted to cram more in there while it's still warm. However, once you put the lid on, it's possible that re-expansion during cooling will be sufficient to crack the jar. I had this problem once with a batch of half-pint jars filled with ribbon-cut Virginia. Bummer. I'd say that the compression is a plus for thrifty Mason jar management, but probably doesn't benefit the tobacco aging process all that much. Yes, this seems counter-intuitive to aging most tins in which tobacco is tightly compressed. It's a puzzle to which I lack a ready answer.
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PostSubject: Re: Tins for your own tobacco?   Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:48 am

nismo270r wrote:
to help keep light out... you can keep light...

You growing mushrooms or aging tobacco? scratch scratch


Also, on the 'cramming and heating' method mentioned earlier by a couple guys.. scratch scratch



I don't know if you boys have discovered something I haven't or if you are just nuts, but what's wrong with sticking the leaf in a mason jar and tightening the lid? Been working for me for quite a long time.
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PostSubject: Re: Tins for your own tobacco?   Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:52 am

Hear's what I use.

A few quick pumps and its sealed. Enough air still remains in the jar for fermintation. A machine may take out too much air IMHO. I crack a jar and smoke what I want and if I tire of it, a few quick pumps and back it goes.
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PostSubject: Re: Tins for your own tobacco?   Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:08 am

[quote/]
I don't know if you boys have discovered something I haven't or if you are just nuts, but what's wrong with sticking the leaf in a mason jar and tightening the lid?  Been working for me for quite a long time. [/quote]

Yes, but anyone can do that. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Tins for your own tobacco?   Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:19 am

Kevin you aren't into textual criticism on ancient manuscripts are you? I know they also assume the hardest must be the correct.
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PostSubject: Re: Tins for your own tobacco?   Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:19 pm

puros_bran wrote:

I don't know if you boys have discovered something I haven't or if you are just nuts, but what's wrong with sticking the leaf in a mason jar and tightening the lid?  Been working for me for quite a long time.

It's more the shape of the container than the actual container itself. Like i said, I'd like to make my own plug for whole leaf tobaccos and the straight side containers like they use at C&D and McClelland are better shaped for storing a block.
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PostSubject: Re: Tins for your own tobacco?   Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:12 pm

puros_bran wrote:
Kevin you aren't into textual criticism on ancient manuscripts are you?  I know they also assume the hardest must be the correct.

No, I come from a long line of chronically curious engineering types, and the idea that no procedure is so simple and perfect that minor adjustment can't improve it is in my DNA. Besides, if I couldn't tinker I'd be bored. Pipe smoking is considered the passtime of the thinking man, ain't it? Well, that's something to think about Mad
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