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PostSubject: Re: Artisan, or Pipemaker?   Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:30 pm

A pipe maker is a manufacturer that mass produces pipes mainly with machines, or maybe there high end pipes are hand made. An Artisan is a pipe which has been make by hand, by a highly skilled individual, that can make potentially the pipe of your dreams, if you wish.
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PostSubject: Re: Artisan, or Pipemaker?   Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:18 am

tslots wrote:
If we go by the definitions:

artisan = a worker in a skilled trade, especially one that involves making things by hand.  
(Based on the Latin "artitus" meaning "instruct in the arts")
pipe maker = someone who makes pipes

Then it would seem to me that someone who works in the Dr. Grabow factory cranking out pipes on machines for 8 hrs a day (assembly line style) would fall into the more general pipe maker category.    

To me an artisan has a bit more of the art involved.  Taking pieces of briar or other appropriate woods and seeing where it leads in terms of making a pipe shape that is seen in their mind.   Machines can be involved in the process, but lots of hand work also.   Also, an artisan usually determines when the pipe is actually "finished" vs. just having a functional pipe.  Sometimes this involves scrapping efforts and starting over again.

This works for me......
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PostSubject: Re: Artisan, or Pipemaker?   Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:02 am

As someone who earns a living making pipes, I'll throw in my two cents. I speak only for myself, not for any other pipe smoker or maker.

I don't consider myself an artisan. I do not even consider myself an artist. I like to identify myself as a craftsman, by which I mean someone who produces a practical product that is very functional but beautiful as well. In that regard, while aesthetics take a backseat to function, they can also enhance the function by making the use of the object more enjoyable. I see many hobbyist pipe makers using the label "artisan" as a marketing strategy. I think they do themselves and others a disservice and it cheapens the term. Consumers can often associate "handmade" with "artisan," and because of that they often look at clear mistakes as proof of their artisan label. Ex, "this bowl shape isn't quite right, but that means that it was made by hand so it's better." "This finish has some scratch marks in it, but I feel it makes the pipe feel more authentic." I'm sorry, but to me those are mistakes and a clear indicator of skill. Don't get me wrong, I don't make perfect pipes, but I strive to make each one as perfect as I can while still maintaining the production I need to make a living.

My advice to pipe purchasers: caveat emptor. If you want an "artisan" pipe, do your research. How long has the individual or company been making pipes? What sort of accolades have they received? Have previous customers expressed satisfaction with the product?

To me the subject gets a bit more murky when we bring the art aspect into the equation because it is by nature extremely subjective. I tend to point to more objective standards when I determine the overall quality of a pipe.

(I just reread my statements. A very poor summation, but I hope I conveyed my meaning well enough.)
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PostSubject: Re: Artisan, or Pipemaker?   Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:46 am

Yeah that's pretty retarded stuff Jesse, why did you even bother?
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PostSubject: Re: Artisan, or Pipemaker?   Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:25 am

Sasquatch wrote:
Yeah that's pretty retarded stuff Jesse, why did you even bother?

"Retarded" is a pretty big word for a hairy Canadian, even for one with a philosophy degree.
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PostSubject: Re: Artisan, or Pipemaker?   Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:22 pm

Ocelot55 wrote:
Sasquatch wrote:
Yeah that's pretty retarded stuff Jesse, why did you even bother?

"Retarded" is a pretty big word for a hairy Canadian, even for one with a philosophy degree.





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PostSubject: Re: Artisan, or Pipemaker?   Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:35 pm

(smirk)
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PostSubject: Artisian, or Pipemaker   Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:52 pm

This is an interesting thread...................we are discussing a great topic area and also grading each other on interpretation and one's ability to intellectualize. I love it!! Where else can you find stimulation like this?

Gustav
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PostSubject: Re: Artisan, or Pipemaker?   Thu Mar 10, 2016 4:52 pm

This is an interesting topic. It reminded me of a book I have read: "The Perfect Smoke" by Fed Hanna. Great book by the way. But in one of his chapters he goes into great detail (too great to write here) about the artisan pipe maker. Plus he even adds another level, the Master pipe maker. It's a very interesting read and I would think shed some light on this topic. Because to be a pipe artisan you have to be a pipe maker. To be a pipe master you have to be a pipe artisan. And who's to say a pipe maker in a manufacturing setting can't be an artisan. It all depends on the end product. Well there my 2 cents.
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PostSubject: Re: Artisan, or Pipemaker?   Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:08 pm

I am a pipe maker. Some days I look at a pipe I've made and say,"Damn, I might be a craftsman after all." But what I am not is an artisan.

Any definition devised by man is by nature arbitrary. To my mind, an artisan must at bare minimum hand cut his or her stems. Of course it should go without saying that shaping, finishing and internals must be there. By shaping I mean it must be pleasing to the eye and follow established guidelines. A person making nothing but billiards may be considered an artisan if the other elements are there.
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PostSubject: Re: Artisan, or Pipemaker?   Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:08 pm

There are certainly pipe carvers out there who can be classified as "high grade" pipe carvers. However, IMO what makes an artisan, is their vision for something unique or "one off."

One of the best examples I can think of, is this "Calla Lilly Pierced by the Artists Brush," by Alex Florov.

It is certainly not the most practical, or form follows function style pipe, however it is very inspirational, and shows his ability to think outside the box.

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PostSubject: Re: Artisan, or Pipemaker?   Wed Mar 23, 2016 10:02 am

I've heard the statement "a well engineered pipe". I'm still looking for such a pipe, one with a diff or gearbox or double overhead cam with 16 valves, something like that.

P Claassen (Pipe Engineer BSc - Briar)
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PostSubject: Re: Artisan, or Pipemaker?   Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:09 pm

Rad Davis used to tease me about using that term. I like it. I think claiming that a pipe is "engineered" is not wrong.

On just about any of these definitions:
design and build (a machine or structure).

skillfully or artfully arrange for (an event or situation) to occur.

synonyms: bring about, arrange, pull off, bring off, contrive, maneuver, manipulate, negotiate, organize, orchestrate, choreograph, mount, stage, mastermind, originate, manage, stage-manage, coordinate, control, superintend, direct, conduct; informalwangle
"he engineered a takeover deal"
modify


I don't build pipes randomly and hope they smoke okay by the grace of Odin. I engineer them such that airways line up, slots are smooth, airway size relates to bowl size... a pipe is a tiny fluid dynamics experiment.
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PostSubject: Re: Artisan, or Pipemaker?   Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:32 pm

I'm going to throw reputation, scarcity and precision into the mix.

In addition to the comments above, my take is that if an individual is held in particularly high regard by the wider pipe community, and their pipes are harder to come by (small production), in my view they're more likely to warrant the term 'artisan'. I think a good spattering of artistic flair helps too and the ability to produce absolutely flawless results.

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PostSubject: Re: Artisan, or Pipemaker?   Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:14 pm

Stick wrote:
I'm going to throw reputation, scarcity and precision into the mix.  

In addition to the comments above, my take is that if an individual is held in particularly high regard by the wider pipe community, and their pipes are harder to come by (small production), in my view they're more likely to warrant the term 'artisan'.  I think a good spattering of artistic flair helps too and the ability to produce absolutely flawless results.


Hear Hear. Well said mate!


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PostSubject: Re: Artisan, or Pipemaker?   Wed Mar 23, 2016 7:35 pm

If they aren't on artisancraftedpipes.org they aren't Artisan pipe makers.


Although it's a good sight for interesting pipes, I think I'll stick to lowly Non-artisan pipes. Same quality, 1/4 the price of Same price, 4 times the quality. No offense to Bubbarayspipes.com but I'll just buy a Peterson or Castello or whatever.

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PostSubject: Re: Artisan, or Pipemaker?   Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:53 pm

I was Rick Rolled!! cheers

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