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PostSubject: Use of the term Balkan to describe a particuar type of blend   Tue Jan 19, 2016 6:45 pm

Hello Brothers: O.K. here was the question on the table at the last pipe club meeting, The term "Balkan" is often used these days to denote a particular type of mixture, usually Virginias, Turkish and Latakia combinations of various percentages. One of the older members brought up the fact that one of the earliest references he remembers to a Balkan style mixture was the name Balkan Sobranie, which, as we all know is the name of the storied blend from the House of Sobranie and dates back many decades. So here is the question. Was the word "Balkan" used to describe this type of mixture before the Sobranie people coined it or have all the "Balkan" style mixtures since the introduction of Balkan Sobranie used the term Balkan only just recently, like in the last 50 years as a common way to describe what in the old days was usually described as an English mixture or an Oriental mixture? Have at it and thanks in advance for any input you might have.
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PostSubject: Re: Use of the term Balkan to describe a particuar type of blend   Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:02 pm

Perhaps this quick read will answer your question.

http://glpease.com/BriarAndLeaf/?p=90

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PostSubject: Re: Use of the term Balkan to describe a particuar type of blend   Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:52 pm

I've long used Greg's descriptions as a jumping off point and valued reference. He's obviously done his homework. Pity he doesn't post here anymore.


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PostSubject: Re: Use of the term Balkan to describe a particuar type of blend   Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:39 pm

Interesting topic. I agree with the sentiments that Greg expresses in his article. Essentially, the name of a popular product created verbiage that was then applied to mixtures that could be categorized into a sub-phylum of latakia blends. For a while Greg used the term Balkan Mixture on a number of his earlier blends but I believe he no longer does so.
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PostSubject: Use of the term Balkan to describe a particuar type of blend   Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:01 pm

Thanks so much to Carlos. Pease's article is very enlightening.
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PostSubject: Re: Use of the term Balkan to describe a particuar type of blend   Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:02 pm

I'd have to agree with Greg's description as well. The first time I heard the term "Balkan" to describe a blend/mixture was in relation to the Balkan Sobranie 759 vs Balkan Sobranie ( the white tin) back in the late '70s. For years it was the only blend/mixture I smoked and saw referred to as a "Balkan". Times change so that now many blend / mixtures which I recall were merely called "English" back then are referred to as "Balkan". Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Use of the term Balkan to describe a particuar type of blend   Tue Jan 19, 2016 11:29 pm

I personally think it was a term that was used interchageably with English blend. ie, anything non-aromatic that contains Orientals. Latakia being included as an Oriental. After the fact people tried to ascribe a separate meaning to it. JMVHO.

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PostSubject: Re: Use of the term Balkan to describe a particuar type of blend   Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:22 pm

Way back when, I worked in a B&M in Raleigh, NC. This discussion came up one day when two of our sales reps/vendors were visiting the store. One rep described the differences this way:

Va. + Latakia = English,

English + Turkish/Orientals = Balkan,

Balkan - Latakia = Oriental.

FWIW...Sounded good in 1966 anyway!! cheers FTRPLT
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PostSubject: Re: Use of the term Balkan to describe a particuar type of blend   Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:39 pm

ftrplt wrote:
Way back when, I worked in a B&M in Raleigh, NC. This discussion came up one day when two of our sales reps/vendors were visiting the store. One rep described the differences this way:

Va. + Latakia = English,

English + Turkish/Orientals = Balkan,

Balkan - Latakia = Oriental.

FWIW...Sounded good in 1966 anyway!! cheers FTRPLT

Bingo.
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PostSubject: Re: Use of the term Balkan to describe a particuar type of blend   Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:22 pm

joshoowah wrote:
ftrplt wrote:
Way back when, I worked in a B&M in Raleigh, NC. This discussion came up one day when two of our sales reps/vendors were visiting the store. One rep described the differences this way:

Va. + Latakia = English,

English + Turkish/Orientals = Balkan,

Balkan - Latakia = Oriental.

FWIW...Sounded good in 1966 anyway!! cheers FTRPLT

Bingo.


So in other words:

Va & Lat = English
Va, Lat, & Oriental = Balkan

If that's what you're saying, that's generally how I categorize them in my mind, too.

Not sure about the Balkan - Lat = Oriental, though. That's pretty much saying that a Va blend with Oriental condimental leaf is an Oriental blend. That might have been true at one time, but it seems to me that more recent nomenclature pretty much just treats it as a Virginia and uses the blend descriptions to note the inclusion of the condimental leaf. Maybe it's just the blends I'm looking at, though.


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PostSubject: Use of the term Balkan to describe a particular type o blend   Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:18 pm

C&D describes it this way.


"Latakia and Orientals are added to a base of Virginias. English blends may or may not have a percentage of Orientals but Balkans will always have Orientals added."

That is how I see it.
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PostSubject: Re: Use of the term Balkan to describe a particuar type of blend   Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:18 pm

[quote="idbowman"]
joshoowah wrote:
ftrplt wrote:
Way back when, I worked in a B&M in Raleigh, NC. This discussion came up one day when two of our sales reps/vendors were visiting the store. One rep described the differences this way:

Va. + Latakia = English,

English + Turkish/Orientals = Balkan,

Balkan - Latakia = Oriental.

FWIW...Sounded good in 1966 anyway!! cheers FTRPLT

Bingo.


So in other words:

Va & Lat = English
Va, Lat, & Oriental = Balkan

If that's what you're saying, that's generally how I categorize them in my mind, too.

Not sure about the Balkan - Lat = Oriental, though.  That's pretty much saying that a Va blend with Oriental condimental leaf is an Oriental blend.  That might have been true at one time, but it seems to me that more recent nomenclature pretty much just treats it as a Virginia and uses the blend descriptions to note the inclusion of the condimental leaf.  Maybe it's just the blends I'm looking at, though.

Re: Oriental components

Just sayin' that an Oriental blend is Ginnyweed + Oriental/s. The component amount isn't addressed. I fully agree that a Ginnyweed with a "whisper" of Orientals is more Ginnyweed than anything else. Much like a Va/Per! How many blends are called Va/Pers, yet have anything thing from a "whisper," to a "pinch," to (let's say) 5% Perique. Definitely depends on the blend/blender. cheers FTRPLT
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PostSubject: Re: Use of the term Balkan to describe a particuar type of blend   Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:41 pm

ftrplt wrote:

Re: Oriental components

Just sayin' that an Oriental blend is Ginnyweed + Oriental/s. The component amount isn't addressed. I fully agree that a Ginnyweed with a "whisper" of Orientals is more Ginnyweed than anything else. Much like a Va/Per! How many blends are called Va/Pers, yet have anything thing from a "whisper," to a "pinch," to (let's say) 5% Perique. Definitely depends on the blend/blender. cheers FTRPLT

The VaPer comparison was a perfect frame of reference...I see exactly what you're saying, now.
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