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Idlefellow

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PostSubject: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in? EmptyWed Oct 24, 2018 8:50 pm

I've not smoked many flake tobaccos in my day; I remember some Troost slices that I enjoyed, and some Three Nuns coins...not so much. Anyway, I've recently acquired some Orlik GoldenSliced that I'm looking forward to trying, and I'm wondering what I should do. Back in that day the thing was to rub it out, but I understand some folks like to just fold the flakes up and stuff 'em in (which seems contrary to everything I know about filling a pipe). So...opinions? Thanks...
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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in? EmptyWed Oct 24, 2018 8:56 pm

I always rub it out. No inferences implied!

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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in? EmptyWed Oct 24, 2018 9:13 pm

Depends on a couple of factors for me. For one, how dense is the press of the flake? Are we talking Dark Star, Stonehaven, Blackwoods Flake, FVF. Those I rub out. More loosely presses flakes, especially the EU produced VA flakes like Dunhill Flake, Solani 633/660, Mac Baren HH Pure Virginia/Burley Flake, or even the roll cakes, most C&D flakes, all these do well folded and stuffed. The second consideration is how much time I have to smoke. A folded and stuffed bowl will almost always burn more slowly.
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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in? EmptyWed Oct 24, 2018 9:15 pm

I don't prefer either of those methods, I do what I call the smoosh and stuff. I take a flake and roughly squash it to fit the bowl of my pipe. I don't like traditional proper folding as I feel it doesn't allow flavors to meld well, and I'm far too lazy to actually rub it fully. My method gives to slower burn of folding and the flavor of rubbing. But whatever works for the smoker is, as always, the best way to do it. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in? EmptyWed Oct 24, 2018 9:29 pm

I use an herb grinder to "rub out" my flakes.  This takes a little more time, but it is worth it for me.  Sometimes I will "stuff" the flakes in a bowl if the bowl is a wide one like some of the pots I have. Like someone said before, whatever works for you.
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P.S. Luxury Twist I rub out if it is too wide, chewing gum sticks I fold and stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in? EmptyWed Oct 24, 2018 10:13 pm

I pull the flakes apart into long strips and then fold and stuff 'em. Seems to work well for me. YMMV
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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in? EmptyWed Oct 24, 2018 11:39 pm

I usually just stuff and go. Sometimes I'll fold and stuff but usually the flakes are broken up enough from being carried around that I can just grab a wad and cram. Also my flakes usually end up bone dry so they tend to fall apart more easily. I don't notice any real difference in flavor over a full rub but I get a much slower burn. I suggest you try it a few times but let the flake dry much more than you think you should. Over night isn't too much.

Jim
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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in? EmptyThu Oct 25, 2018 12:34 am

IMO, my experience with OGS is that it typically comes at what I consider to be the perfect moisture level right out of the tin. Ogs happens to be great either way. I generally rub my flakes out, but for this particular tobacco the fold and stuff method works great for a longer and slower burning smoke. Just my $.02.
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I typically 'Z' fold a flake into thirds across the grain, then roll that along the grain and rough it up a little. Fits well into most bowls, lights well and provides me with a satisfying smoke. If a flake is overly moist I'll most likely rub it out and let it air a little.
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Recently I have been rubbing them out completely. It is kind of part of my morning routine now when I smoke flakes. I used to fold and stuff and haven't really noticed much of a difference (although my palate may not be as developed as others)
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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in? EmptyThu Oct 25, 2018 11:33 am

Stick wrote:
I typically 'Z' fold a flake into thirds across the grain, then roll that along the grain and rough it up a little. Fits well into most bowls, lights well and provides me with a satisfying smoke. If a flake is overly moist I'll most likely rub it out and let it air a little.

This best describes how I do it....
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As others have said, it depends on things. Density/hardness of the flake. Thickness of the flake. Preferred humidity of the flake. With McClelland #2035, it was a very dense, quasi-brittle flake. I crumbled that sucker because the leaf wasn't going to let go of itself. It was going to turn into shards of said hard, dense flake. With McClelland #2015, which was a thicker cut of flake, I'd rub it out between my palms or twist it "open" with my fingertips. With Stokkebye Luxury Navy Flake and Bullseye Flake, because they are thinner cuts of flake and best just a tad on the drier side of common, folding and stuffing works fine. I actually don't fold the entire flake. I tear a whole flake into five thin strips or so and fold each of those into the bowl. If someone was new to flakes, I'd recommend something like Stokkebye Luxury Navy Flake because of how forgiving it is, yet it still can teach you a thing or two about packing technique.
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I have tried the fold n' stuff method to no avail. I keep things simple and rub them out. I find it sure smokes much easier. Wink
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I prefer to rub them out. For me it seems to smoke easier that way, with less relights. Whatever works for you is best though.
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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in? EmptyThu Oct 25, 2018 7:07 pm

This-

Davy Jones wrote:
I have tried the fold n' stuff method to no avail. I keep things simple and rub them out. I find it sure smokes much easier. Wink

And that-

swhipple wrote:
I prefer to rub them out. For me it seems to smoke easier that way, with less relights. Whatever works for you is best though.


My sentiments eggs-ackly!


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Always rubbed, just seems to burn better for me. With the flakes I’ve tried both methods I’ve noticed no difference in taste.
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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in? EmptySat Oct 27, 2018 9:14 pm

Tried the z-fold the first time I tried flake. Can’t remember what it was. Thinking University Flake. Anyway, couldn’t get it to stay lit.

Been rubbing out ever since.

Definitely can’t fold/stuff Full Virginia Flake... don’t ask.
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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in? EmptySun Oct 28, 2018 1:01 am

Well I’m not a feared to rub one out occasionally. Then cram it in the bowl and fire it up.

Not real sure that’s what you were talking about or not. So I had to take it in another di rection real quick lol!
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PanHandler wrote:
Anyway, couldn’t get it to stay lit.
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Hey PH. Your folded roll could probably do with a little roughing up. Once I have my roll I grasp it between my thumbs and first two fingers and make an action like I'm rubbing my finger tips together. It's not a flexing / hinging action as if trying to snap a pencil. This loosens things up nicely. Just a thought. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in?   Who rubs out flake and who just stuffs it in? EmptyMon Oct 29, 2018 1:31 am

Stick wrote:
PanHandler wrote:
Anyway, couldn’t get it to stay lit.
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Hey PH. Your folded roll could probably do with a little roughing up. Once I have my roll I grasp it between my thumbs and first two fingers and make an action like I'm rubbing my finger tips together. It's not a flexing / hinging action as if trying to snap a pencil. This loosens things up nicely. Just a thought. Smile

Thanks Stick. I can see how that would work well. Definitely going to try that method next time. Seems like it would save some time for sure.
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Both. And a third method, which works especially well with a Pot and a partially rubbed flake. Get a good idea of the size of the pipe’s bowl. Then take out a pinch that, when gently and carefully rubbed into a small ball, will expand just enough to loosely fill the pipe’s bowl. If you want to try this with a tall skinny bowl, just gently rub the tobacco into a mini-cigar that fits into and expands to fill the pipe’s bowl. After you have the knack of getting the size of the ball or “cigar” right, you’ll have many enjoyable smokes.
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KevinM wrote:
Both. And a third method, which works especially well with a Pot and a partially rubbed flake.  Get a good idea of the size of the pipe’s bowl. Then take out a pinch that, when gently and carefully rubbed into a small ball, will expand just enough to loosely fill the pipe’s bowl. If you want to try this with a tall skinny bowl, just gently rub the tobacco into a mini-cigar that fits into and expands to fill the pipe’s bowl.  After you have the knack of getting the size of the ball or “cigar” right, you’ll have many enjoyable smokes.

A much more elegant description of my method. Thank you!
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Zanaspus wrote:
I don't prefer either of those methods, I do what I call the smoosh and stuff.

But your phrase “smoosh and stuff” takes the prize for originality. I wasn’t alert enough or something to recognize the method Very Happy
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Put it in a blender, no need for a hand job.
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