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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptyFri Feb 06, 2009 2:49 am

Puff Daddy wrote:
Well I got ahold of some Rittenhouse rye at BevMo, and some Noilly Prat sweet and a bottle of bitters. I discovered that the Woodford is just too good to be mixing, it deserves to be enjoyed neat in a nosing glass and is one of the finest bourbons I've ever tried.

It's truly fine stuff. I kept a bottle in a secret place for a while, before my mate found it. "What's this? You sneaking tipples in the middle of the night, or something?"

"Well, um, no. Not exactly. Medicinal purposes, you see. Besides, you bought me this bottle, a lovely gift, I'm sure you recall it, and, um, I don't want guests to drink any of it, you know, accidentally? Such a shame if someone were to put it over ice, or something dreadful like that." The baloney stains were forming under the arms at this point, I'm sure. Bad day not to wear an undershirt.

"Is this glass for medicinal purposes, too? You need a fancy glass for medicine?"

"But, the glass was a gift at the same time the Bourbon was, don't you remember? I'd be just crushed if anything were to happen to it."

Things just weren't going right, by this point. Fact is, she wasn't buying any of it. The Woodford is in the liquor cabinet, now, and my Reidel bourbon glass is safely on the shelf...

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I didn't get the 100 proof Rittenhouse, they were out, so I went with the 80 proof. I'll give this a crack in a nosing glass as well just to get a good grip on it's personality. The Manhattans are tasting 'Right' now, with the rye and the bitters. Fine stuff. I had one served 'Up' earlier but I still prefer mine on the rocks, in a 3/1 ratio rye to vermouth with these two brands. Yum! Cool

Amazing, innit? The Rye? The other night, a friend poured a High West Distillery Rendezvous Rye. Outstanding stuff. Definitely not Manhattan fixin's.

I still need to pick up a bottle of Punt Y Mes, and explore its use in a Manhattan. It comes from Carpano, though it is supposedly a bit more bitter than the Antico, but not quite Campari.

Speaking of Campari, here's a recipe for my eponymous cocktail, loosely based on the Negroni. Very refreshing, and a wonderful aperitif: (Hey, what good is it being a Dark Lord and all that rubbish, if you can't name a cocktail after yourself, right? This one is actually served in a few respectable restaurants in the area.)

The Gregorio Cocktail

In a shaker with plenty of ice, stir until well chilled:
2oz Campari
2oz Sweet vermouth
1oz Rye
Squeeze of orange

Serve in a cocktail glass with a twist of orange or lemon peel, or in a rocks glass, over ice, with a splash of Pellegrino and an orange garnish.
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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptyFri Feb 06, 2009 8:28 am

glpease wrote:
...here's a recipe for my eponymous cocktail, loosely based on the Negroni. Very refreshing, and a wonderful aperitif: The Gregorio Cocktail

Exclamation And we're off again, Phineas bounce Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptyFri Feb 06, 2009 8:37 am

............................um. What time does BevMo open ??




Shopping list:
Carpano
Campari
Noilly Prat Sweet vermouth
some kind of fancy cherries......
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PostSubject: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptyFri Feb 06, 2009 8:01 pm

Ahh!!! Manhattans , my downfall. Tastes like candy to me and I dispose of them as if they were. They have been my ruination on many an occasion.

I in fact have two bottles of Rittenhouse Rye in the cabinet. Very nice stuff for the money. Makes a nice Manhattan but I really prefer Maker's Mark or WT101.

Dribble a little of the cherry juice in and an extra cherry also please!

The Zin Port sounds like a great idea!!
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PostSubject: OK...someday I will figure out how to post some pix here   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptySat Feb 07, 2009 4:14 am

went to BevMo for some bitters and brought home:
4 pack of North Coast Old Rasputin Imperial Russian Stout
Noilly Prat Sweet Vermouth
Carpano Punt e Mes sweet Vermouth
Carpano Antica formula 1786 sweet vermouth
Stirrings Blood Orange bitters
Rittenhouse Rye (80 proof)
and a really cool pint glass from Stone Brewery








I got it bad..............and that aint good...Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptySat Feb 07, 2009 4:28 am

rick wrote:
went to BevMo for some bitters and brought home:
4 pack of North Coast Old Rasputin Imperial Russian Stout
Noilly Prat Sweet Vermouth
Carpano Punt e Mes sweet Vermouth
Carpano Antica formula 1786 sweet vermouth
Stirrings Blood Orange bitters
Rittenhouse Rye (80 proof)
and a really cool pint glass from Stone Brewery

I'm on my way. I'll bring ice, and tobacco...

I'll anxiously await your discussion of the Punt Y Mes v. the Antica.

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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptySat Feb 07, 2009 4:30 am

OK.

#1: Rittenhouse + Antica + Orange Bitters (Stirred)= FABULOSO !!!!

#2: Rittenhouse + Punt y Mes + orange Bitters (Stirred)= Pretty good but bitter aftertaste

#3: Evan Williams 1783 + Antica + orange Bitters (on the rocks in a bucket) = better than 2 but not as good as #1


Verdict:
The sweet vermouth is key.

This Carpano Antica ($27 at BevMo) is Outstanding. The Punt y Mes ($21) is a bit disappointing and Greg is right on when he says:

"I still need to pick up a bottle of Punt Y Mes, and explore its use in a Manhattan. It comes from Carpano, though it is supposedly a bit more bitter than the Antico, but not quite Campari. "

Very true..........bitter is right on, but the Antica is smoother and much more complex and I am NOT the one to try and describe all the flavors in that juice.
VYA is next on my to get list but, for my $$$$$$ moolah its
Carpano Antica
Noilly Prat will probably be my every day SV and Punt y Mes will not again be purchased.

just sayin...............
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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptySat Feb 07, 2009 4:33 am

glpease wrote:


I'm on my way. I'll bring ice, and tobacco...

I'll anxiously await your discussion of the Punt Y Mes v. the Antica.

-glp

Brutha...........I gots a spare bedroom.
You can stay as long as ya want just bring down some BS (and I know, you know what I am talkin aboot !)

ANTICA.
nuff said.
Da bomb......but I have a friend in Fresno who will be bringing me back some Vya next time he's home......so I got that goin for me


I will also add that the Rittenhouse is good but for a cuppa bucks more Ill take the Wild Turkey 101 Rye, please.
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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptySat Feb 07, 2009 4:42 am

Rick, I've been told that there is no shortage of BS when I'm about. I'm not quite sure how to take it...

The Antica truly IS amazing stuff. In fact, sip a little straight, and be amazed at how remarkable the vermouth experience can be. It's got depth and complexity in spades. The Vya is fantastic, too.

Tomorrow, I'm picking up a bottle of Punt Y Mes, and I'm out of sherry. I'm doing a scallop and crab risotto in the next couple days, and that splash of Fino just rocks the world when it hits the pan. (Not to mention a glass or two makes babysitting the risotto during the cooking just a bit easier...)

Now, I'm getting hungry AND thirsty...
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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptySat Feb 07, 2009 4:49 am

glpease wrote:
Rick, I've been told that there is no shortage of BS when I'm about. I'm not quite sure how to take it...

The Antica truly IS amazing stuff. In fact, sip a little straight, and be amazed at how remarkable the vermouth experience can be. It's got depth and complexity in spades. The Vya is fantastic, too.

Tomorrow, I'm picking up a bottle of Punt Y Mes, and I'm out of sherry. I'm doing a scallop and crab risotto in the next couple days, and that splash of Fino just rocks the world when it hits the pan. (Not to mention a glass or two makes babysitting the risotto during the cooking just a bit easier...)

Now, I'm getting hungry AND thirsty...

DAY-UM !
Make sure you bring that risotto when ya come down cheers


I did, as I usually do with a new spirit, taste them all separately and did find the Antica to be amazing.
True story:
I was checking out and I asked the clerk about VYA.
He said he's heard of it, BevMo doesnt stock it but.......................hey ! You should try this Antica. Its great.
So I go back there and, ya know, its $27 and Im already a looooooong way from the $10 I wanted to spend on some bitters, but I say....WTH ! Lovies outta town, so Ill just git me some.
WOWZEEWOWWOWWOW, was that the pick of the week, or what ??
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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptySat Feb 07, 2009 7:51 am

You should still be able to enjoy the Punt e Mes as a refreshing mid day relaxer by pouring 2 ounces of it over ice in a bucket, adding either soda water or tonic and a thick, juicy orange slice. Low in alcohol content, a nice palate freshener and a good way to let the vermouth express itself. Often a drink like this can be as effective as a nosing glass for exploring a libations nuances Cool

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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptyFri Feb 13, 2009 9:21 am

been researching all week long................

come to find out, the Punt y Mes aint half bad with the right rye (bourbon).
I like it best with Evan Williams 1783 and a few drops of the orange bitters.
Didnt care for it much with the Rittenhouse and when poured over WildTurkey 101 (not rye) made me feel ashamed I had wasted perfectly good WT.
Lousy.
Still want to get some Rittenhouse 101 and need to restock the WT101 Rye, as well.

sidenote:
Ive been making them a bit differently this week.
Chill a glass (bucket) with ice.
Pour ingredients into shaker full of ice and stir until frozen.
Strain back into chilly glass full of fresh ice.

Wonder if I'll ever order them that way if I go out ? lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptyFri Feb 13, 2009 6:27 pm

I don't know how I missed this thread. Absolutely, I am a fan of Manhattans. I think it's the best mixed drink to pair with a pipe.
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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptyFri Feb 20, 2009 11:50 am

So in my desperation last night, whilst not having all of the ingredients to make a proper manhattan, I grabbed for my bottle of Gentleman Jack and decided I was going to have a drink after a particularly stressful day. Typically I would never use this to make a manhattan, as this happens to be a sweeter variety of Whiskey, and not quite dry enough to mix well with vermouth, but like I said, I was desperate. Looking around for an alternative to sweet vermouth, I remembered I had a bottle of Sandeman Founders Reserve Port. Yes. I did what you are thinking. A dash of port into the already chilling whiskey, and I poured that into a martini glass that I had chilling in the freezer.

I must say, this was really quite tasty. I would suspect that with a drier whiskey, or more so, a proper rye, this would be quite delicious.
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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptyFri Feb 20, 2009 1:12 pm

OK BB.....Now watch'a gonna' name your new concoction Question FTRPLT
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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptyFri Feb 20, 2009 4:50 pm

Portly Gentleman?

Natch
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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptyFri Feb 27, 2009 2:02 pm

ftrplt wrote:
OK BB.....Now watch'a gonna' name your new concoction Question FTRPLT

Hah, I'm not sure but I like Natch's suggestion above!
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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptyFri Feb 27, 2009 2:09 pm

Friday night for me and am having a, er...um....................cuppa Manhattans, as we speak.

2 things:
1. Wild Turkey 101 (not of the rye persuasion)
makes a lousy M.
Love the juice but Ive tried it with many Sweet vermouths and ............it just aint happnin.

2. Punt Y mes is sooooooooooooooo bitter to me, I was gonna write it off.
BUT, HOLD THE PRESSES !!!
Added some marischino cherry juice to the mix and it is purdy tasty.
Dont know if I'll buy it again, considering the Antica is only a cuppa bucks more, but at least I'll enjoy the rest of this bottle.
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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptyFri Feb 27, 2009 2:58 pm

rick wrote:
Friday night for me and am having a, er...um....................cuppa Manhattans, as we speak.

2 things:
1. Wild Turkey 101 (not of the rye persuasion)
makes a lousy M.
Love the juice but Ive tried it with many Sweet vermouths and ............it just aint happnin.

2. Punt Y mes is sooooooooooooooo bitter to me, I was gonna write it off.
BUT, HOLD THE PRESSES !!!
Added some marischino cherry juice to the mix and it is purdy tasty.
Dont know if I'll buy it again, considering the Antica is only a cuppa bucks more, but at least I'll enjoy the rest of this bottle.

Rick, you're killin me over here, bud. It's barely 11 over there, isn't it? And here I am feeling guilty needing a drink at 2!

I am meeting my dad out for a few drinks after work today, but I am quite leery of allowing just ANY bartender to mix my manhattans. I gotta build up a trust before I allow myself to imbibe just ANYONES manhattan, you know what I mean?. I feel a stop at the liquor store coming on the way home. drunken
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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptyFri Feb 27, 2009 3:16 pm

1115am, right now.................but I was off work at 6am. Its MY Friday night !!!

Good luck with teaching a "barkeep" how to make a good Manhattan.............I aint found one yet Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptyFri Feb 27, 2009 3:34 pm

rick wrote:
1115am, right now.................but I was off work at 6am. Its MY Friday night !!!

Good luck with teaching a "barkeep" how to make a good Manhattan.............I aint found one yet Evil or Very Mad

Ahh, it all makes sense now. Hmm..when your Friday night starts at 6 AM, what time is last call? Very Happy

I won't be taking the chance with the bar keep. I'll be picking up my own ingredients after the bar and mixing at home where it's legal to smoke as well!

-Adam
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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptyWed Mar 04, 2009 3:30 pm

OK.
Fine..................

heres the rub:
Punt Y Mes is bitter.
Maraschino cherry juice is sweet.

mix em together and its aaaaaaallllllllllll good.

Had a cuppa this "evening", 1 with Evan Williams 1783 and 1 with Rittenhouse
BOTH were fabulous.

and.
No bitters neccesary
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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptyWed Mar 04, 2009 3:58 pm

rick wrote:
Good luck with teaching a "barkeep" how to make a good Manhattan.............I aint found one yet Evil or Very Mad

I think the movie "Cocktail" (I would NEVER call it a FILM) did a lot to destroy the art of mixology in the US. There are a great many cocktails that simply must not be shaken, and the Manhattan and the Martini are two of them. But, it's all about flash with these movie-trained yahoos, and nothing at all about good taste, in either sense of the word.

Hollywood strikes again. Sophistication and elegance are apparently as endangered as the proper Martini. (WITHOUT chocolate, apple juice, or vodka, thank you - well, except for a Vesper, in the latter case.) Wink

BTW, try a Martini with Lillet Blanc, and a nice, austere gin, like Beefeaters. Very nice! I shall still pine for Noilly Prat's defiling, but only a little.

-glp
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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptyWed Mar 04, 2009 3:59 pm

rick wrote:
OK.
Fine..................

heres the rub:
Punt Y Mes is bitter.
Maraschino cherry juice is sweet.

mix em together and its aaaaaaallllllllllll good.

Had a cuppa this "evening", 1 with Evan Williams 1783 and 1 with Rittenhouse
BOTH were fabulous.

and.
No bitters neccesary

Bravo! I shall have to give that one a sip!

-glp
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PostSubject: Re: Manhattans   Manhattans - Page 2 EmptyWed Mar 04, 2009 4:06 pm

glp:
still have the pantry all stocked up awaiting your visit.......................of course, we are vacationing in Cambria next month.
That aint too far for ya to travel for a cocktail, is it ???? scratch
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