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Bub

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PostSubject: Lets vote   Fri May 22, 2009 8:38 pm

Trout Bum said, "Question: am I releasing a fine wild trout, or a
wild and fine part of myself? I am deeply contemplating this perplexing
koan, though I probably won't get back to you."
Lets vote...did he keep it or did he release it?
For extra credit...what is your reason?
I will say that he released the trout.
How could you kill something that brought you that much pleasure.
Bub
p.s. I am OK without knowing
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kilted1
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PostSubject: Re: Lets vote   Fri May 22, 2009 8:57 pm

Bub wrote:
Trout Bum said, "Question: am I releasing a fine wild trout, or a
wild and fine part of myself? I am deeply contemplating this perplexing
koan, though I probably won't get back to you."
Lets vote...did he keep it or did he release it?
For extra credit...what is your reason?
I will say that he released the trout.
How could you kill something that brought you that much pleasure.
Bub
p.s. I am OK without knowing

I'm betting he released the fish.

Many trout anglers (myself included) release the majority of their catches. There are times when you know the fish is mortally injured and will not survive release. There are places where the waters are heavily stocked and keeping a couple (as long as they are legal) is not objectionable. The lake I fish stocks rainbows several times a year, the fish do not reproduce, so releasing fish is far less 'important' to me under those conditions. Were I fishing where a 'native population' was established, and where fishing pressure was high, I'd release every fish I caught.
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PostSubject: Re: Lets vote   Fri May 22, 2009 10:04 pm

Ha, a koan with an existentialist undercurrent. The answer is: He kept releasing it. Since at the moment of release time stands still, Nirvana is attained & a great oneness between man & fish is comprehended. At this point, the fish was releasing Trout Bum.
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PostSubject: Re: Lets vote   Fri May 22, 2009 10:43 pm

Released it. Why? Fish and no fish amounts to the same thing from a zen perspective. And, if you kill it, it's gone forever but if you release it it's still there Cool

I fish, therefore I am.

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PostSubject: Re: Lets vote   Fri May 22, 2009 11:07 pm

So you sick bastards just like to
torture fish for the fun of it?

(I kill em before I bring em out of the water.) Twisted Evil
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mark
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PostSubject: Re: Lets vote   Fri May 22, 2009 11:24 pm

I have to say I maintain loftier standards than all of you,,,,you harvest and remove breeding stock,,maybe upsetting natures delicate balancing act ,,,,or you catch and release taking the chance of mortally injuring the fish, ,,,I however will not subject the poor fish to even a puncture to the jaw, thereby eliminating any chance of even the smallest injury,,,,








however it's not from failure to try ,,I just can't cast a fly to save my ass,,,all I've managed to catch on a fly was my earlobe,,,OUCH,,,

thanks for sharing Trout Bum,,,that was amazing,,A MEMORY FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE,,,
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PostSubject: Re: Lets vote   Sat May 23, 2009 10:35 am

Of course he released it. Though I personally don't have a problem harvesting fish for consumption. I myself have also released many to fight another day.
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TallSmoke

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PostSubject: Re: Lets vote   Sat May 23, 2009 11:10 am

He turned it loose.

For me - depends on where I'm fishing.

In well and often-stocked waters I keep my limit for consumption. They'll dump a whole bunch more in next week. There is no fear that they'll disappear in those waters and the guy coming behind me tomorrow will be able to catch some, too.

In wild waters I release probably 90% of them, but keep a few as those native, bug-fed trout taste so good. Especially the brookies. A pinch of salt, a pinch of pepper, a glob of butter, wrapped in tin foil and cooked slowly on coals. .Right by the stream. Too good.
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PostSubject: Re: Lets vote   Sat May 23, 2009 11:47 am

Gentlemen,

Great discussion; I am thoroughly enjoying it! At this point, I would be remiss to reveal whether or not the trout was released... or the trout released me, or perhaps I am still releasing... but I can assure you I find the discourse of great interest.

Cheers,

TB
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PostSubject: Re: Lets vote   Sat May 23, 2009 3:12 pm

' Eventually, all things merge into one, and a river runs through it. The river was cut by the world's great flood and runs over rocks from the basement of time. On some of the rocks are timeless raindrops. Under the rocks are the words, and some of the words are theirs.

I am haunted by waters. '

Norman Maclean: A River Runs Through It

Often before reading Mcclean's novel I thought of fishing as presenting an active 'thought' to a fish in their environment, hoping to strike up a conversation with them. I had often observed that in order to consistently catch fish, you have to think like one.

To fly fish is much more complex an art than putting a worm on a hook and hoping something will bite it. You have to know the fish, the waters, the life in those waters, the time of day, the time of season, the condition OF the waters, the temperature of the waters, and even WITH all of this knowledge, if you are speaking the right language, it doesn't guarantee you will catch fish.

This language, this conversation, this communion with trout always transports me to a place where I truly am as I was created to be. It is NOT the same conversation Billy Joe Jim Bob is having with Bass on his sponsored Bass Boat blasting across the water at 70 knots to and from GPS spots to fish for big money, not even close. I think I'm fishing for that conversation modern man lost 200 years ago or more, where we left our natural environment and stumbled into the world of machines and money, instead of living in unison with LIFE.

That conversation begins as I prepare my rods, reels and tackle for the coming trip, it gets louder as I get nearer to where I'll 'put it'. My heart is generally POUNDING as I start walking to the water, make those first hesitant casts, trying to perfect that perfect cast before I get to 'prime waters'. The conversation continues long after I'm home and in dry cloths with my rods, reels and tackle stored away for the next trip. When I can no longer hear the river in my mind, it is already past time for the next trip.

If the trout ever releases me, I doubt I'll ever fish again, they keep calling so I'll keep fishing ...
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PostSubject: Re: Lets vote   Sat May 23, 2009 4:43 pm

Yo, Kilted, after reading your last post, I have only one thing to say:

Let's go fishing!
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PostSubject: Re: Lets vote   Sat May 23, 2009 10:59 pm

mark wrote:
I have to say I maintain loftier standards than all of you,,,,you harvest and remove breeding stock,,maybe upsetting natures delicate balancing act ,,,,or you catch and release taking the chance of mortally injuring the fish, ,,,I however will not subject the poor fish to even a puncture to the jaw, thereby eliminating any chance of even the smallest injury,,,,








however it's not from failure to try ,,I just can't cast a fly to save my ass,,,all I've managed to catch on a fly was my earlobe,,,OUCH,,,

thanks for sharing Trout Bum,,,that was amazing,,A MEMORY FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE,,,

You sound like me. Give me a spinning reel on a 7 ft Ugly Stick with a tube jig and I'm bringing home dinner. Put a fly rod in my hand and I'm bringing home a hospital bill for stitches.
lol!
I'll never stop trying though. It's peaceful on the stream even if you never do anything but get a bucktail wet.
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