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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:37 am

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Yessir you heard it hear first fellows.... Guns toters are aggresive psycopaths looking for poor Canadians and Europeons to Shoot at over turkey legs....


Once again I'll ask, Why are you in here commenting if you don't like firearms, This isnt a debate area over whether they are right or wrong... Its simple a thread about what you like. Go on and post a review or something and leave it alone.


Well, the one that fits the shoe ...

Once again, what is a topic about guns doing on a pipesmoking forum.
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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:52 am

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puros_bran wrote:
Yessir you heard it hear first fellows.... Guns toters are aggresive psycopaths looking for poor Canadians and Europeons to Shoot at over turkey legs....


Once again I'll ask, Why are you in here commenting if you don't like firearms, This isnt a debate area over whether they are right or wrong... Its simple a thread about what you like. Go on and post a review or something and leave it alone.


Well, the one that fits the shoe ...

Once again, what is a topic about guns doing on a pipesmoking forum.

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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:39 pm

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Yessir you heard it hear first fellows.... Guns toters are aggresive psycopaths looking for poor Canadians and Europeons to Shoot at over turkey legs....


Once again I'll ask, Why are you in here commenting if you don't like firearms, This isnt a debate area over whether they are right or wrong... Its simple a thread about what you like. Go on and post a review or something and leave it alone.

Hey go back and re-read my post.

I am not anti-gun. I was noting a difference in national attitudes and effects on the societies.

In my hometown of Lexington, Kentucky the cops had their guns out everytime they went to an alarm call at a liquor store, a bank, etc. I have had to stare down the barrel of a gun when a cop pulled me over becuse I was driving a car he said answered the description of one involved in a robbery (that calls for a change of clothing in short order).

I worked as a bartender for a while when I was a student at UK, and the bar was being "leaned on" by a couple of hoods. The owner was up front about it, and we were provided with a gun if we wanted (gun laws in Ky in the 1960's were quite "liberal"). I "carried" for about 2 weeks, and found it colored my whole thinking about the world, you kept looking for "dangers" and threats. Now maybe that is only reasonable, or maybe it would have changed if it had gone on longer, but it is a frame of mind I would not seek out. Give you the same stress that soldiers get in combat, always looking for the next threat and is that kid with bicycle got a bomb in the basket?!

Historically I think the difference in Canada and the US stems from the fact that in Canada the government generally preceeded the settlers into terriotory, and therefore, unlike the US, the settlers did not have to depend upon only themselves to provide "justice" in personal conflicts. In the US the settlers far out paced the reach of government and "good order", and among one of the earmarks of whether a settlement was "civilized" was whether they had set up a governing body and a form of law enforcement. And historically the Canadians veiwed their government with less suspicion than did the Americans.

We have gang violence here too. It is mainly a city thing, but the reason that Toronto has the high homocide rate is mainly due to gang activities. The homocide rate hovered around 50 forever, then with the influx of "refugees" from some very violent areas of the world, with some very lax filtering of these refugees, we have some real gang problems. And then there are the bikers...

What is extremely rare here is the news story headed "Eight Year Old shoots Younger Brother in Tragic Accident". With the stringent requirements for gun storeage and safety the 8 year old doesn't get a chance to make this mistake.

As to why there is a thread about guns, why not? Just because we smoke pipes doesn't mean that we don't have other interests. Do we object to a thread about what books we are reading? I think not. Although all I own is a pump action .22 rifle for varmints in the chicken house, that doesn't preclude my interest in weapons. I only wish that I had had the foresight to have bought some of the weapons I had access to when I was a teenager. Army and Navy Colts, a really nice burled wood Ky. Long Rifle (be quiet you Pennsylvanians, i know who made them, and i know who made them famous LOL). I wish I still had the lever action marlin 40-40 short barrel rifle (barrel for the saddle holster), it was a nice gun.

If I had my druthers I would kind of like to have a short gun around, something with stopping power, like an Army 1911 .45. Although I am sure there are newer weapons that are probably better, it has a nice historical cache.

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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:42 pm

claessenpipes wrote:
puros_bran wrote:
Yessir you heard it hear first fellows.... Guns toters are aggresive psycopaths looking for poor Canadians and Europeons to Shoot at over turkey legs....


Once again I'll ask, Why are you in here commenting if you don't like firearms, This isnt a debate area over whether they are right or wrong... Its simple a thread about what you like. Go on and post a review or something and leave it alone.


Well, the one that fits the shoe ...

Once again, what is a topic about guns doing on a pipesmoking forum.

Oh my goodness, the forum police have arrived! Mad
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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:06 pm

Razz Razz Razz Shut up bossing me around Al... Your an anti-gunner, I don't have to listen to anti-gunners... they don't scare me.. I know they are unarmed Razz Razz Razz



On a serious note, Thankfully Gun laws are still very 'Liberal' in the Commonwealth... Over 21 and not a felon? You can carry openly... Over 21 and have a CCP you can carry concealed.
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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:44 pm

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claessenpipes wrote:
puros_bran wrote:
Yessir you heard it hear first fellows.... Guns toters are aggresive psycopaths looking for poor Canadians and Europeons to Shoot at over turkey legs....


Once again I'll ask, Why are you in here commenting if you don't like firearms, This isnt a debate area over whether they are right or wrong... Its simple a thread about what you like. Go on and post a review or something and leave it alone.


Well, the one that fits the shoe ...

Once again, what is a topic about guns doing on a pipesmoking forum.

You are in The Roundtable
"A Place To Discuss Anything You Wish As Long As It's Respectful Of Others"

Forums have sub-forums. The Roundtable allows this discussion.

Don't confuse him, Carlos. The better question is why you participated in this thread if you have no interest other than to give us your one-sided views. You ask why I focus on one city, well why concentrate on the parts with no violence. I still don't see how this justifies the hate crimes, but I guess as long as you keep it isolated to one city, it's okay, huh?

Back on point, we have common interests other than pipes. Despite your imaginary views of our aggression, the only time we would unholster our weapons is to show it to a brother with an interest in firearms.

Again, I'm way more aggressive without my guns, unless you're thinking bout my biceps.
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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:46 pm

There are two types of people in the world: sheep and wolves.

Me, well I'm the sheep dog.

Put that in your pipes and smoke it.
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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:54 pm

claessenpipes wrote:
puros_bran wrote:
Yessir you heard it hear first fellows.... Guns toters are aggresive psycopaths looking for poor Canadians and Europeons to Shoot at over turkey legs....


Once again I'll ask, Why are you in here commenting if you don't like firearms, This isnt a debate area over whether they are right or wrong... Its simple a thread about what you like. Go on and post a review or something and leave it alone.


Well, the one that fits the shoe ...

Once again, what is a topic about guns doing on a pipesmoking forum.

You really just don't get it do you? No wonder we left Europe, my God just imagine if we were sitting enjoying a pipe among friends at the local tobacconists and someone brought up the subject of 'guns' or 'hunting', you'd have them thrown out on their ASS. "We'll have no discussions of guns here, this is a tobacconists. Thou shalt ONLY talk about matters pertaining to tobacco and pipes"

And to go on insisting that "We have no business discussing guns" (or presumably anything else we enjoy) on OUR forum, over and over again ... What a fruitcake Cool

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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:37 pm

pipes are bad,,,,they cause you undue stress when you can't afford to purchase the latest model,,,they eat up your bankroll,,,every nickel goes to buy noxious weed to poison the healthy world,,,,fights break out at pipe shows all over the country over who saw the latest and best pipe first and has dibs on it,,,,acrylic lip syndrome is rampant,,,,butane and lighter fluid is becoming scarce,,,,the worlds aluminum is being wasted producing pipe nails,,,,sandwich bags and mason jars are soon to be a black market item,,,corn cob pipes cause the ag stock to fluctuate wildly causing panic on wall street,,,,the countrys forrests are being raped to provide pulp used in pipe and tobacco catalogs,,,marriages have broken up due to mortgage payments wasted on meerschaums,,,PIPES ARE BAD,,,

GUNS ARE BAD,,,cause where some people live they can't have them,,,,,and if they can't have them then neither should you,,,
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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:59 pm

mark wrote:

GUNS ARE BAD,,,cause where some people live they can't have them,,,,,and if they can't have them then neither should you,,,

That is an odd thought. There are people out there who do not have the right to own a firearm. Strange to think about it.
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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:10 pm

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Well, the one that fits the shoe ...

Once again, what is a topic about guns doing on a pipesmoking forum.

That's it, I'm going to find a gun forum and talk about pipes dammit cheers

ITS CLEARLY ANARCHY lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:29 pm

If you crackerheads havent noticed... Claessen hasnt posted in thread for awhile, I think we can quit beating him over the head and talk guns again.
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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:22 pm

Fire away cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:08 am

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If you crackerheads havent noticed... Claessen hasnt posted in thread for awhile, I think we can quit beating him over the head and talk guns again.

Maybe he was held up by a gun-toting American...
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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:34 am

To go along with the pistol preference question. What caliber do you prefer in your semi-automatic and/or revolver and why?

Semi-automatic: Prefer the 40 due to bullet weights and speeds. IMHO the 9mm is to fast and I don't like the lighter weight bullets it shoots. I here people complain over the 45acp due to the so called kick, yet I find that the recoil of the 9mm is much sharper and uncomfortable. I like the 40 due to it's speed, yet it can handle the heavier weight bullets. The newer magazines on the Springfield XD's will handle 13 to 16 rounds depending on the model you have. 45acp is also a nice round, slower than the 40 but handles 230 grain bullets with no problems. Most auto's though will only handle in the vicinity of 10 rounds.

Revolver: Hands down favorite is the 45 long Colt. The newer double action revolvers like the new Ruger Redhawk or Smith and Wesson Model 25 in 45 long Colt. They can handle some pretty stout loads, up and including almost 44 magnum type loads. I have been a fan of this caliber due to the fact of all the 45 long Colt single actions that I own. Has a heck of a knock down power without as much recoil as a 44 magnum or 454 casull.
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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:43 am

I've fired and can handle a .45 APC though not for hours. I can handle 50 rounds before I'm too stressed to shoot.

My preferred round still is .357 Mag, good knockdown power, and not as fatiguing for me as the .45. I cannot handle .44 mag at all, my grouping has never been very good with it, and with carpel tunnel syndrome ... well you get the idea.

I would definitely like to try the long Colt .45 some day.
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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:44 am

My favorite autos: understand, I only see two calibers 9mike and .45acp. They are available worldwide, chambered for almost every gun made, and chambered for most sub-guns. Ammo for pistols and subs are interchangeable. If you buy European ammo it's usually hotter than standard American fodder--it's designed for the subs. That said:
1. I have carried a Browning HP for over 40 years. My current "full" carry gun is an FM "Detective," which is a short-barreled HP. I use to knock hell out of the Argentine gun industry, when I was doing retail, but man, they have come a long way. This gun shoots as well as my high-dollar HP's (Practicals). For carry I load up with Geco BAT's. They will dispense with anything I am apt to meet.
2. The venerable Colt, but for me, in the "Officer's" model. I have two, a standard and a lightweight, both fully tricked out. I load up with hydra-shoks. They are as accurate as anything Colt has ever made and the lightweight is a comfortable all-day carry.
3. Gets a little sticky, here. I am beginning, what appears to be, a long-term relationship with a Kahr PM9. It's very small, easy to conceal, full time double-action, so no safety to worry about. I am right at the break-in on rounds fired--300. I'll knock it down and clean things up, then. My most accurate auto is my old Sig P210-6. These guns are amazing. They shoot groups at 50 yds that other autos wish they could shoot at 25. Smoothest trigger ever, out of the box. There are some drawbacks--rear sights are a bit flimsy. They are a little fussy about what they will eat. But, man, look out if you are downrange. They drive tacks.
Wheel-guns
1. The sheer power of it--the .454 Casull. If you are going somewhere that has dangerouse beasts (not men), this is the gun. In a Freedom Arms, you also have superb accuracy. Haven't shot any other .454.
2. Gotta have a .38 in a shortie, take your pick: J-frames-Model 60 S&W, Model 36, Model 12, or a....S&W; Colt Cobra, Diamondback, etc, or........... My current is an old Bodyguard (49) that I've had for 25 years or so--it's my bedside gun. The wife can handle it as well.
3. My favorite carry wheelie? I have a great little Bulldog Pug, by Charter, in .44 special. Mine has been converted to double-action. It is a small package with a big bite. IMHO a huge step up from a .38.
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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:26 pm

Favorite Auto Caliber: 45 acp. I agree with Mike on this one, after a couple box's the 9mm just tires me out... I can shoot the 45 all day. I have spent many an hour trying to comprehend it... this is what I've came up with. The 9mm has a 'lighter' kick, but its much faster... The 45 kicks 'harder' but its slower... The shooter has more 'time' (measured in micro seconds) to absorb the blow. I imagine the felt recoil in either caliber has much to due with grip design, weight, and spring tensions... but I hate playing with something when I can pick up a 1911 or variant and be happy with nothing more than an ambi safety and maybe a polish job...


My favorite revolver cartridge: Thats easy, 45 acp. No replacement for displacement.
Laughing Like I said earlier a 45 wheel with fullmoons is incredibly fast. For 'conventional' wheel calibers, I'll take a .357 , the versatility from low n slow 38's to +p 357 Mag ammo is great. good for everything from plinking, to rodents to deer...

Considering the .45 and .357 mag have historic stopping power either would be good choices for those 2 legged bears.
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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:17 am

I still like my 10s the best, followed by .40. For some reason, I shot these when everyone else was into .45s. I have a .45 1911 that I like and carry plenty. For me, it's like choosing accessories. I have holsters for all of my guns. remember I'm licensed.
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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:04 am

Buncha weirdo gun nuts around here.

Sounds like my kinda place!

I like the finer classic 1911s, Hi-Powers, and S&Ws as much as the next guy. That said, I'm usually carrying one of the following:

Glock 19 in Alessi CQC/S or homebuilt leather:


Ruger GP100 (3" bbl) in homebuilt leather:


S&W 642 in a Galco horsehide pocket holster:
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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:16 am

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Semi-automatic: Prefer the 40 due to bullet weights and speeds. IMHO the 9mm is to fast and I don't like the lighter weight bullets it shoots. I here people complain over the 45acp due to the so called kick, yet I find that the recoil of the 9mm is much sharper and uncomfortable. I like the 40 due to it's speed, yet it can handle the heavier weight bullets. The newer magazines on the Springfield XD's will handle 13 to 16 rounds depending on the model you have. 45acp is also a nice round, slower than the 40 but handles 230 grain bullets with no problems. Most auto's though will only handle in the vicinity of 10 rounds.
I think some folks get worn out by the 9mm because the gun itself typically is lighter weight which allows more force to be transferered to the shooter, whereas the heavier weapons take more of the punishment. I have two prime examples, the first is a Kel-Tec PF9 which is basically a plastic frame, small, compact 9mm; that thing will punish you. After several mags your ready to hang it up. I also have a Ruger P-89 which is a heavier all metal weapon (alum frame) you can shoot all day with minimal fatigue. Now the .45's are typically all steel frames (the older ones I've shot anyway), which can take more of the beating, not your wrist. The main thing to remember is the purpose of the weapon, I carry the PF9 for close range self defense, it needs to be highly concealable with enough punch to keep someone down till I can get the hell out of the situation. Where the P-89 is more of a plinking, home defense weapon. I prefer the 9mm round because it's redily available and not that expensive. If I had unlimited resources I would like to have a .45 Kimber.
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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:41 am

My one and only handgun (if you don't count a Daisy CO2 pistol): Colt Woodsman Sport, c. 1937.

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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:38 am

The issue with violence is one of the heart. It has nothing to do with an inanimate object. If the intent and heart of the person is sufficiently evil enough to want to kill someone, they will use an inanimate object to facilitate that intent. The first murder occurred with a rock.

Freedom is only possible for a good and moral people. People that do not have an internal compass of right and wrong are enslaved to their ways of life, and will inevitably sow the seeds of destruction round about themselves.
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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:57 am

EJinVA wrote:
Mikem wrote:
Semi-automatic: Prefer the 40 due to bullet weights and speeds. IMHO the 9mm is to fast and I don't like the lighter weight bullets it shoots. I here people complain over the 45acp due to the so called kick, yet I find that the recoil of the 9mm is much sharper and uncomfortable. I like the 40 due to it's speed, yet it can handle the heavier weight bullets. The newer magazines on the Springfield XD's will handle 13 to 16 rounds depending on the model you have. 45acp is also a nice round, slower than the 40 but handles 230 grain bullets with no problems. Most auto's though will only handle in the vicinity of 10 rounds.
I think some folks get worn out by the 9mm because the gun itself typically is lighter weight which allows more force to be transferred to the shooter, whereas the heavier weapons take more of the punishment. I have two prime examples, the first is a Kel-Tec PF9 which is basically a plastic frame, small, compact 9mm; that thing will punish you. After several mags your ready to hang it up. I also have a Ruger P-89 which is a heavier all metal weapon (alum frame) you can shoot all day with minimal fatigue. Now the .45's are typically all steel frames (the older ones I've shot anyway), which can take more of the beating, not your wrist. The main thing to remember is the purpose of the weapon, I carry the PF9 for close range self defense, it needs to be highly concealable with enough punch to keep someone down till I can get the hell out of the situation. Where the P-89 is more of a plinking, home defense weapon. I prefer the 9mm round because it's readily available and not that expensive. If I had unlimited resources I would like to have a .45 Kimber.
It's funny that you mention the P89 as that is one of the 9mm that I use to own and really didn't enjoy shooting. Don't get me wrong as I own several Ruger's in both semi-auto, double action and single action revolvers. Two of the semi-autos are in 45acp and the third is in 40. The recoil was just too sharp (as noted in PB's post) to my liking with the P89. The thing I do like about the Ruger "P" series of semi-autos is that they are a heavier gun and easier to control IMHO and very very reliable, plus if you do ever run out of ammo you can use the thing as a club. lol! I was always surprised that the military did not choose them over the Beretta way back when they decided to get rid of the 1911 as the general duty sidearm. A mistake I think the rank and file soldier regrets to this day (9mm versus 45acp). I also own a Kahr CW9 concealed 9mm that I very seldom carry and find myself either carrying my Springfield XD40 concealed or my Taurus PT145 PRO. I just purchased a Taurus M85 38S +P revolver with a two inch barrel that I'm starting to enjoy shooting and carrying.
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PostSubject: Re: Pistols.   Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:21 am

Mikem wrote:
It's funny that you mention the P89 as that is one of the 9mm that I use to own and really didn't enjoy shooting. Don't get me wrong as I own several Ruger's in both semi-auto, double action and single action revolvers. Two of the semi-autos are in 45acp and the third is in 40. The recoil was just too sharp (as noted in PB's post) to my liking with the P89. The thing I do like about the Ruger "P" series of semi-autos is that they are a heavier gun and easier to control IMHO and very very reliable, plus if you do ever run out of ammo you can use the thing as a club. lol! I was always surprised that the military did not choose them over the Beretta way back when they decided to get rid of the 1911 as the general duty sidearm. A mistake I think the rank and file soldier regrets to this day (9mm versus 45acp).
I guess it really depends on what your used too. Mayby alot to do with it is grip size in relation to hand size as well. A couple years ago I picked up a cheap Hi-Point 9mm. This thing is ugly. it's got a plastic frame with a heavy steel slide, feels top heavy. But damn this thing is fun to shoot, very comfortable grip that fits me perfect. I just don't trust it enough for self defense. The standard mag. works fine but the extended one doesent have the spring strength to feed all the rounds.
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