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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:21 pm

Those are some great gunfights but i have to say that open range is one of the worst movies i have ever seen. I found its pacing terribly slow and plot fairly meandering and pointless untill the awesome gunfight. Although it did have some majesitc pictures of a sheepdog on the sprawling prairies Laughing

For straight up cheese factor i'd have to submit the Quick and the Dead.

Tombstone is almost one of my faves, Deadwood the tv series on HBO had some good ones.

But from my childhood Support your local sheriff and the shakiest gun in the west had some good shooting and hilarious scenes.

Thats just my opinion though!
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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:38 pm

SmokeyTweed wrote:

For straight up cheese factor i'd have to submit the Quick and the Dead.

I'm completely with you here, I actually own the DVD and watch it for amusement/abasement. My wife God bless her is a 'Texican' (Mexican/American born in Texas) about as authentically 'western' as any of us could hope to be culturally, thinks Quick and the Dead is an excellent 'serious' western.

We both love Tombstone.

And now for TV Westerns, the biggest 2 catalogs of them I've ever seen anywhere:

TV Westerns - Shadows of the Past

TV Westerns

Go ahead and LOOK I DARE YOU, better have popcorn handy cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:00 am

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jhuggett wrote:
Oh come LL don't be a party pooper, we all know it's BS. I also know that the pizza delivery guy doesn't get laid when he drops off the pizza but that doesn't stop me from enjoying porn. Laughing

My gripe is that it isn't necessary for things to be unrealistic in order to be dramatic, it's just the lazy & cheap way out. Then after a while the bullshit can't be distinguished from reality by the general public.

The latest example of fantasy disrupting reality is in the courtroom, where juries are coming to expect CSI TV show-style evidence from the prosecutors for every case.

My Dad always said the same thing, he's that guy who in a room full of people is pointing out all the flaws that editing missed in any film you can name.

I've always recognized 'The Western' genre as American hyperbole which is even directly mentioned in Tombstone:

"My dear, you have set your gaze upon the quintessential frontier type

Note the lean silhouette, eyes closed by the sun; they're sharp as a hawk.

He's got the look of both predator... and prey."


I think the Western genre has always sought an American ideal most of us know is mostly fantasy ... yet is something so deeply in our culture that it is hard to grow up in America as a male and NOT want to be the 'cowboy' at some level.

It IS our cultural mythology, and is deeply hyperbolic by its nature. That said, I think I'll go pop some popcorn and relax to the cheesiest Western I can find cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:45 am

I don't know if any of you guys remember when a man with a pony and
a camera would come around the neighborhood and take pictures of a kid
on the pony in cowboy gear for a few bucks.I've got one of those pictures of
me circa 1951,will post it if possible.

Winslow sunny
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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:13 am

Winslow wrote:
I don't know if any of you guys remember when a man with a pony and
a camera would come around the neighborhood and take pictures of a kid
on the pony in cowboy gear for a few bucks.I've got one of those pictures of
me circa 1951,will post it if possible.

Winslow sunny

That would be AWESOME! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:41 am

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I think the Western genre has always sought an American ideal most of us know is mostly fantasy ... yet is something so deeply in our culture that it is hard to grow up in America as a male and NOT want to be the 'cowboy' at some level.

It IS our cultural mythology, and is deeply hyperbolic by its nature. That said, I think I'll go pop some popcorn and relax to the cheesiest Western I can find cheers

Yep, thats why Pirate movies have had a resurgence recently as well. If we study the real history there was nothing glamorous about being a pirate, but I have really enjoyed the Pirates of the Caribean triliogy.
Same with Cowboys N Gunfighters, I think it's the outlaw in us all, the desire to be truly free from the rat race. To be able to go with the wind with no strings attached, a girl in every port (or saloon), free flowing rum (or whisky), to be able to put a cap in those that oppose you and settle it quickly.
Another movie along the same lines would have to be The Wild One with Marlon Brando. Who hasent seen that and didnt wanted to go out and get a Harley, and get wild as hell.
But then Monday morning (reality) comes and we drag our asses back onto the treadmill. Waiting till next weekend to be a mercenery on some grand adventure.
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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:56 am

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I also know that the pizza delivery guy doesn't get laid when he drops off the pizza but that doesn't stop me from enjoying porn. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:08 am

So many great ones being mentioned!!!!!!!!!!

I like'm all!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:27 am

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In technically accurate terms, almost no movie gets gunfights right. Amazingly, one does that's both an oldie and a Western: Hombre with Paul Newman. The reason is because Thell Reed---a world-class combat/assault shooter plus cowboy-era firearms expert---was hired as a consultant to stage the final confrontation.

There was also a minor crime film 10-12 years back called City of Industry that had realistic gun work. (Again, because a firearms expert was hired)

If you mean "best" gunfight in dramatic terms, I have nothing to suggest. As soon as the cartoon foolishness starts, my brain checks out.
Lighten up LL scratch , "most" people go to the movies to be entertained. The question was what was "your" favorite gunfight, not what was the most accurate or had the most social redeeming value.
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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:39 pm

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Lighten up LL scratch , "most" people go to the movies to be entertained. The question was what was "your" favorite gunfight, not what was the most accurate or had the most social redeeming value.

No, the question---the thread title---is which western movie gunfight we thought was the best. I said the finale of Hombre, along with an explanation of why.

The "because" part of poll-type questions like this is their whole point, yes? To start conversations? Not much else to do on an Internet forum that I can see except talk. A board whose threads were nothing but multiple choice questions would be a bit dull.


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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:39 pm

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Lighten up LL scratch , "most" people go to the movies to be entertained. The question was what was "your" favorite gunfight, not what was the most accurate or had the most social redeeming value.

No, the question---the thread title---is which western movie gunfight we thought was the best. I said the finale of Hombre, along with an explanation of why.

The "because" part of poll-type questions like this is their whole point, yes? To start conversations? Not much else to do on an Internet forum that I can see except but talk. A board whose threads were nothing but multiple choice questions would be a bit dull.

I smell an old fashioned gunfight in the making gentlemen lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:04 pm

kilted1 wrote:

I smell an old fashioned gunfight in the making gentlemen lol!
Not even slightly. I'm so tired of how the Net puts people against each other who would get along fine face-to-face I could puke. If running my repair biz didn't require being connected to the damn thing, I'd throw my computer in a dumpster.
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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:19 pm

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I smell an old fashioned gunfight in the making gentlemen lol!
Not even slightly. I'm so tired of how the Net puts people against each other who would get along fine face-to-face I could puke. If running my repair biz didn't require being connected to the damn thing, I'd throw my computer in a dumpster.

It was meant in jest, hence the lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:06 pm

Ah yes, I can see it now. The Gunfight at the BoB Corral!!! lol! FTRPLT
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PostSubject: "best" shoot out in a Western   Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:10 pm

In terms of the most effective shoot out in a Western i would go for the opening of "The Wild Bunch" when the robbery attempt is an ambush, and all hell breaks loose, well before you expect anything like this. Seeing it in a theatre for the first time when it was a new release this scene literally blew the audience away, this did not happen at the beginning, if this scene was to occur it would be at the end, and never with the "realism" of this scene.
If you haven't seen it, do, and then remember it was made in 1969!
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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:15 pm

Tombstone is my all time favorite movie of any genre. The scene posted by Puff is probably the best I've seen in terms of duels. The shootout at the O.K. Corral would be 2nd.n The 3rd is the fight at the creek where Wyatt runs out in the center of the crossfire to face Curly Bill.

The bar fight from Unforgiven is probably next for me.

I had a 3rd, but I blanked out. It's one someone posted earlier though.
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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:21 pm

In terms of accuracy, I believe Tombstone is said to be one of the most accurate of all westerns. Other than the Outlaws weren't hard core crime organization like said in the movie; they were just annoying hoodlums.

Someone mentioned cheese: I would have to say Silverado where the dude asks for the gun in his long johns and says he only needs one bullet. That's not only cheese, that's processed cheese.

No one into the Young Guns movies? There is that one scene I love wehre the guy is kneeling in the open with a 30/30 and the whole crew can't bring him down.
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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:56 pm

Not to hi-jack this thread, but to me the cheesiest western(s) were the "My Name is Trinity" series with Terence Hill and his mystic gun "skills".

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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:42 pm

Ol'Dawg wrote:
Not to hi-jack this thread, but to me the cheesiest western(s) were the "My Name is Trinity" series with Terence Hill and his mystic gun "skills".

Jim

Pretty cheesy, but cheesier than "Something Big"?
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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:22 pm

A really cornball/serious Western classic with not so much a gunfight scene as a gunfighter 'period' Little Big Man with Dustin Hoffman & Chief Dan George. Some insanely funny stuff when his sister (the bosom of the family) is teaching how to gunfight, going 'all snake eyes'.
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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:02 am

Little Big Man is one of my favorites!
And since we are getting more toward the comedic westerns who can forget Blazing Saddles.
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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:38 am

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Little Big Man is one of my favorites!
And since we are getting more toward the comedic westerns who can forget Blazing Saddles.

Also brilliant a comedy that could never be made in today's 'PC' world. Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:52 pm

The scene is Tombstone where Wyatt Earp charges the opposing gunmen shouting, "NO! NO!" is pretty damn good.

While the gun battles themselves are probably not what people have in mind, it's hard to beat Unforgiven for great lines. "That's right. I've killed women. And Children. I've killed nearly everything that walks or crawls at one time or another. And now I'm here to kill you, Little Bill." (That's not quite right, but you get the idea) It also has some great Western existentialism:
"He had it coming right?"
"Kid, we've all got it coming."

"I don't deserve this. To die this way."
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it."

edit: I see Kilted 1 has beaten me to the punch here.
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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:34 pm

kilted1 wrote:
EJinVA wrote:
Little Big Man is one of my favorites!
And since we are getting more toward the comedic westerns who can forget Blazing Saddles.

Also brilliant a comedy that could never be made in today's 'PC' world. Evil or Very Mad

Hey if we were interested in being politically correct we would all be over on SF(UK), right? lol! lol!

Someone on SF used "you can lead a horse to water, but..." and I nearly responded with you can "lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think." Would have gotten me my second lash for sure. The first one coming from comparing light beer to making love in a canoe... THEY were NOT amused. Twisted Evil

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PostSubject: Re: Best Gunfight in a Western Movie   Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:34 pm

Al in Canada wrote:
kilted1 wrote:
EJinVA wrote:
Little Big Man is one of my favorites!
And since we are getting more toward the comedic westerns who can forget Blazing Saddles.

Also brilliant a comedy that could never be made in today's 'PC' world. Evil or Very Mad

Hey if we were interested in being politically correct we would all be over on SF(UK), right? lol! lol!

Someone on SF used "you can lead a horse to water, but..." and I nearly responded with you can "lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think." Would have gotten me my second lash for sure. The first one coming from comparing light beer to making love in a canoe... THEY were NOT amused. Twisted Evil

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