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puros_bran
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PostSubject: A new respect for Canadian pipers...   Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:38 am

Was reading on tr.com and noticed a particular feller that gave the canadian price for whatever blend he was reviewing...

Holy cow... You boys are serious!

I don't know if yall have figured out how to get yall's weed cheaper, but if you have shhhhhhhhhh! Don't say a word, the gooberment might be lurking....

If I was a Canadian I'd buy all my weed on ebay...lol...
If I could get vintage or rare bacy for the same price as new.. Why not?????
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PostSubject: Re: A new respect for Canadian pipers...   Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:36 pm

Yes, I was in Vancouver for one week this month and I can tell you that tobacco is not the only expensive thing there. I entered exactly one tobacco shop and left within the minute. Count on spending $35 per ticket for going to a museum, which were more like mini-museums (having spent a couple of summers in Washington DC visiting the wonderful free museums there, Iím a bit spoiled). I took the family but we ended up doing much less than what we had planned. The problem was compounded by the horrible exchange rate. However, I loved the town and surrounding areas and will return if given the opportunity.
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PostSubject: serious smokers   Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:47 pm

puros_bran wrote:
Was reading on tr.com and noticed a particular feller that gave the canadian price for whatever blend he was reviewing...

Holy cow... You boys are serious!

I don't know if yall have figured out how to get yall's weed cheaper, but if you have shhhhhhhhhh! Don't say a word, the gooberment might be lurking....

If I was a Canadian I'd buy all my weed on ebay...lol...
If I could get vintage or rare bacy for the same price as new.. Why not?????

Well yes, there is no such thing as cheap tobacco in Canada. Even on the Indian reservations, if you can find one that carries pipe tobacco, you will pay $10 to $12 for an OTC pouch. and regular store prices for the OTC pouchs is $16 to $19. So if you are going to buy you might as well buy the good stuff for about an extra $8.

But it is not just tobacco, try buying a case of beer, a cheap price is $24. And liquor is just as bad. and i am giving Ontario prices, they are higher in the other provinces. If you thought BC was bad, try Alberta.

I am tempted to cry when I hear someone saying they didn't care for such and such tobacco so they threw out in the garden. Throw tobacco away?! OMG. If you don't like it goes into the "kitchen Sink Mixture" and wait until something is added that balancdes out whatever the shortcomings were, or trade it to someone who does like that blend.

They don't sell tobacco on EBay, they only offer "collectible tins", and of course we only collect the sealed tins Twisted Evil
but it is amazing how many EBay sellers ship only to the US. By the way 1/4 pound package from anywhere in the lower 48 to anywhere in Canada costs under $2 (1st Class international), the same package from my town to Toronto (about a 3 1/2 hour drive) costs over $9.00! affraid go figure.

Al(in Canada)
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PostSubject: Re: A new respect for Canadian pipers...   Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:23 am

Al in Canada wrote:


...I am tempted to cry when I hear someone saying they didn't care for such and such tobacco so they threw out in the garden. Throw tobacco away?! OMG....

Al(in Canada)

lol! I feel for you.
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PostSubject: Re: A new respect for Canadian pipers...   Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:45 pm

Yep, it's madness.

I try and spend most of my purchase budget locally, because I like to support local business, and I think that a relationship with a knowledgeable tobacconist is very valuable in pursuing this hobby. When I go down to the shop to buy something, I am almost always going to be spending a decent amount - I look at around $16 CAD for a 1 oz. bag of pipe tobacco. That's including the latest tax increase. For Chris, the owner of the shop, he is looking at spending an extra five to six thousand dollars per year on keeping his shelves fully stocked because of these taxes.

However, when it comes to cigars, things play out a bit differently. Because there's an international market for Cuban cigars (and a black market for them directly south) there are some Canadian retailers that operate online. Many are ran off Native Reservations, and they do not have to comply with provincial or municipal laws, because the Indian Act puts them directly under federal jurisdiction. For example, some Casinos ran on reservations still allow smoking indoors, despite provincial smoking bans, because the federal government has made no such bans. Therefore, they also avoid paying many, many taxes. So, in terms of box cigar purchases, they are WAY cheaper.

I try and buy pipe tobacco, snuff, small cigars, and single cigars locally. But when it comes down to a larger purchase, any box purchase in Alberta, you're looking at three hundred to twelve hundred dollars for a box of 25 cigars. Therefore, as much as I would like to be able to spend that, I just can't. So, for box purchases, I've got other sources...

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If you thought BC was bad, try Alberta.
Yep, we just had a bunch of tax increases...weird, considering we are probably the richest province, because of oil. Here's how it played out. Government dropped health care premiums (each person pays $400ish per year, and health services are way higher.) Government then proceeded to hand over roughly $4 billion to foreign oil investors. Oil companies have ceased hiring, started firing, and gas is hovering just under $1 per litre. Now, the Alberta government is faced with a $5ish billion dollar deficit...strange, that's almost the amount of money that they handed out to big business.

Now, they decided that sin taxes would be an excellent way to recover said money. Seeing as the Minister of Finance is a hefty, ugly middle aged woman, they should've taxed cheeseburgers and cheap eyeshadow, if they really wanted to help somebody. But that's beside the point. So tobacco and alcohol taxes went up.

On cigarettes, they went up like $3 per carton - negligible. But went up substantially on loose tobacco (snuff, RYO, pipe tobacco) Then, because of the backlash from the booze increase, the Premier of Alberta said he felt guilty about raising taxes (since he said he wouldn't when he was elected) but then he only dropped alcohol taxes, not tobacco taxes.

Stupid, because it was supposed to stop cigarette smoking...but nobody smokes snuff!

Anyways, yeah, we're h-core. It really does suck. Especially when the justifications are to stop young people from smoking. Dumb ass fucks! It's against the law to sell tobacco to kids! Punish retailers who are breaking the law, not legitimate retailers, and those who are adults, and have the right to enjoy a legal product!

Here's a link to the story with a quick interview from the guy I buy tobacco from:Link

And, here's a letter that he wrote to the Edmonton Journal on the subject:

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Re: "Leave tobacco tax alone," Editorial, July 15.

Quite apart from the credibility of the Stelmach government regarding keeping its promises not to raise taxes, there is a very good reason for revisiting part of the last tobacco tax increase.

Accepting the province's own rationale for the size of the increase in the cigarette tax (roughly the same as our neighbours, after factoring in provincial sales tax), the increase on "loose tobacco" is entirely out of line.

This category is a bit of a catch-all. It includes pipe tobacco, cigarette rolling tobacco, shisha, snuff and a variety of other small product categories. In the April budget, the province increased the tax rate for these products from 18.5 to 30 cents per gram, or by 62 per cent. The rationale given was so that there would be no economic incentive for people to "roll their own."

Since much of the tobacco in this category isn't used for rolling, the rationale is entirely spurious.

Even applying it to rolling tobacco makes no sense. People who roll their own usually smoke less than those who smoke ready-mades.

The biggest reason for reviewing this tax increase is how out of line it makes Alberta prices compared to those of our neighbours.

At 30 cents a gram, the provincial tobacco tax on a 50-gram package of rolling or pipe tobacco is $15 in Alberta. In Saskatchewan, it is $9.15, and in B. C., $9.25. These prices are certainly not competitive and are not fair.

Based on the tax numbers the editorial uses, every smoker in Alberta is contributing about $50 a month in taxes, above and beyond any associated health costs.

If Albertans contributed a similar "lifestyle tax," we could cover that deficit even faster.

Chris Hansen, Burlington on Whyte Tobacconist, Edmonton
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