Kea
Number of posts: 18
Age: 47
Location: Glasgow (Scotland)
Registration date: 2008-02-17
 | | Subject: Re: Cuban Politics and the American Embargo Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:40 am | |
| | puros_bran wrote: | Sadly if/when the U.S. market opens the counterfeits will pick up also. Buy from Casa Habanos or buy fakes pretty much sums it up now, it will get worse.
IMO the DR,Nic,Hod cigars are fine products for the most part. Yes Cubans are good, but lets not take from the rest of the producing countrys. Most of the sticks that don't carry Cuban names are available world wide, they wouldn't be offered if they weren't being smoked. The cigars that carry Cuban names (Partagas, Sancho Panza,RyJ) are the ones I worry about, will they have to be renamed or will the companys quit producing them? |
With the Cuban revolution, many of the cigar factory owning families left Cuba ( sooner or later) and opened cigars operations elsewhere ( Honduras, Nicaragua, etc.) under the same trademarks they were using back in Cuba.
The issue with the trademark ownership has already started with the name "Cohiba".
Cohiba is a trademark created after the Revolution, but bacause of the embargo, another cigar maker (General Cigar/Swedish Macth) registered the trademark in US.
Cubatabaco (Cuban Gov) sued Genreal Cigar for trademark infringement: won in the first instance, lost in apealtion, and is being reviewed.
We will see many trademark disputes like this .
We may also see how the right to use the Partagas, Bolivar, etc. trademarks will be split by countries ( Cuban Cohiba will not be able to sell under that name in US, etc.).
The fact that BAT is now co-owning with the Cuban Gov the whole Cuban cigar portfolio, will be adding a strong muscle on the Cuban side in this conflict.
Anyway, let keep enjoy our smoking while we can  |
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Davey
Number of posts: 308
Age: 41
Location: New York
Tobacco: McC 2015 at present
Pipe: Peterson 150
Registration date: 2007-12-11
| | Subject: Re: Cuban Politics and the American Embargo Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:51 pm | |
| Great info here, Kea.
Glasgow, huh? You don't play the pipes do you? |
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puros_bran
Nightrider
Number of posts: 9207
Registration date: 2007-12-10
| | Subject: Re: Cuban Politics and the American Embargo Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:25 pm | |
| Its my opinion that the trademark belonged to the familys that owned the trademarks when they were seized. The problem is International conglomerates bought/stole these trademarks and muddied the 'who owns what' mystery. Obviously the World disagree's with my position of they wouldn't allow those trademark names to be sold by the 'wrong' owner.
Its easy to theorize the whole process but when its personalized its different. Imagine the US gov decided to 'socialize' transportation and seized SKN Trucking (socialism never creates it can only seize, but that's a whole other topic) naturally I would go elsewere and restart my business. Who has the true 'right' to the trademark I created? |
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Davey
Number of posts: 308
Age: 41
Location: New York
Tobacco: McC 2015 at present
Pipe: Peterson 150
Registration date: 2007-12-11
| | Subject: Re: Cuban Politics and the American Embargo Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:02 pm | |
| Ya know, PB, that was really well said, and I never thought of it that way. |
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Kea
Number of posts: 18
Age: 47
Location: Glasgow (Scotland)
Registration date: 2008-02-17
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Davey
Number of posts: 308
Age: 41
Location: New York
Tobacco: McC 2015 at present
Pipe: Peterson 150
Registration date: 2007-12-11
| | Subject: Re: Cuban Politics and the American Embargo Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:01 pm | |
| I saw that coming  |
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