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PostSubject: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:08 pm

I sent a letter to Dick Durbin, my Senator here in Illinois. I was interested in his take on the proposed tax on pipe tobacco. Here is the response I received:

April 26, 2010



Mr. Phillip Lxxxx
xxx E xxxxxxxx Ave
Libertyville, IL 60048-2937



Dear Mr. Lxxxx:


Thank you for contacting me regarding the Tobacco Tax Parity Act (H.R. 4439). I appreciate hearing from you.


Representative Steve Cohen of Texas introduced the Tobacco Tax Parity Act to raise the excise tax on pipe tobacco, currently $2.83 per pound, to $24.78 per pound, which is the tax on roll-your-own tobacco.


Many health advocates argue that the adverse health effects of pipe tobacco are equal to those of roll-your-own tobacco. However, pipe tobacco is taxed at a significantly lower rate. I understand your concerns about the effect of this tax on the pipe tobacco industry, especially during this economic downturn.
This bill has been referred to the House Ways and Means Committee and has no companion measure in the Senate. I will keep your concerns in mind in case this bill is considered in the Senate.


Thank you again for contacting me. Please feel free to keep in touch.


Sincerely,
Richard J. Durbin
United States Senator

I thought some of you B's of B would be interested in this letter. What do you think, guys? Should I "keep in touch"?
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PostSubject: Re: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:24 pm

"Many health advocates argue that the adverse health effects of pipe tobacco are equal to those of roll-your-own tobacco. However, pipe tobacco is taxed at a significantly lower rate."

Ask him what the effects of pipe tobacco have to do with extreme taxation.
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PostSubject: Re: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:36 pm

Personally I think fair tax on pipe tobacco and cigars is needed..
Its wrong that cigerette smokers are forced to pay more than we are...

Either oppress everyone equally or quit oppressing!
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PostSubject: Re: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:16 pm

puros_bran wrote:
Personally I think fair tax on pipe tobacco and cigars is needed..
Its wrong that cigerette smokers are forced to pay more than we are...

Either oppress everyone equally or quit oppressing!

PB, you are now a honorary Canuk... Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:03 pm

Looking past the initial layer of stupidity, how are the effects of pipe smoking comparable to RYO? Have they ever seen a pipe smoked? Or do they even know what a pipe is? scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:41 pm

What does logic have to do with oppressive taxation?
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PostSubject: Re: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:01 pm

puros_bran wrote:
What does logic have to do with oppressive taxation?

Not a damn thing unless you are a liberal that needs Obama, Pelosi and Reid to hold your hand through the rest of your life!
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PostSubject: Re: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:24 pm

EPIC FAIL JP....

It aint Obama,Pelosi, Reid/Reed/Read... Its every last one of the blood sucking leeches.. It always has been and it always will be.

Tyranny is Tyranny regardless of who the tyrannt is! The only real 'new tax' Obama Inc have brought us is mandated insurance, and hopefully they do not stay in office long enough to reap the reward.

I've did the Tax rant so many times I honestly just don't feel like saying it anymore.. Anyone that listened, listened, those that didn't, didn't....

But it has nothing to do with money or tobacco...It has to do with conditioned obediance.. We've seen it with toilets, lightbulbs,seatbelts, food, tobacco, toilet paper, radio and tv signals (going so far as to legislate how loud commercials can be), window tint, fuel efficiency, and about 100,000 other things... My god they even tell me I can't legally lick mommas flitter.. THAT'S TYRANNY... Government, more properly called State, has no business in 98-99% of what they have involved themselves in, and we as a people have no business acting all indignant, WE LET THEM DO IT! As long as its 'Our Side' its ok, but if those other bastards do it its wrong... Screw that, its all wrong....

I am so glad the Founding Fathers are dead! I don't hold them to be infallible by any means but every one of those boys would drop dead from heart attack if they could see how pathetic we as a people have become...

Its a semi-soft tyranny but it IS a tyranny.
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PostSubject: Re: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:02 pm

phillpsych wrote:
I sent a letter to Dick Durbin, my Senator here in Illinois. I was interested in his take on the proposed tax on pipe tobacco. Here is the response I received:

PhillPsych,

While I find it commedable that Mr. Durbin responded to you, I have to be straight up with you! Mr. Durbin is one of the most liberal senators currently walking the halls of the Capital and a disgrace Constitutionally, to the office that he holds. He will do everything in his power to see that tobacco is eliminated from the United States. Look up his voting record. Not to mention the fact that he was the very first senator to endorse Barack Obama as a presidential candidate. "He was the first United States Senator to support the presidential candidacy of Barack Obama, then the other senator from Illinois.[2]" In other words, he is a fu*king socialist!!!

How he stands on tobacco:

Tobacco regulation

"In 1987, Durbin introduced major tobacco regulation legislation in the House to ban cigarette smoking on airline flights of two hours or less. He was joined by Rep. C. W. Bill Young, a Republican from Florida, in saying that the rights of smokers to smoke end where their smoking affects the health and safety of others, such as on airplanes. The bill went on to pass as part of the 1988 transportation spending bill. In 1989, Congress banned cigarette smoking on all domestic airline flights.[22]

In March 1994, Durbin proposed an amendment to the Improving America's Schools Act that required schools that receive Federal drug prevention money to teach elementary and secondary students about the dangers of tobacco in addition to those of drugs and alcohol. The amendment also required that schools warn students against tobacco and teach them how to resist peer pressure to smoke.[23]

In February 2008, Durbin called on Congress to support a measure that would give the Food and Drug Administration the power to oversee the tobacco industry. This measure would require companies to disclose the contents of tobacco products, restrict advertising and promotions, and mandate the removal of harmful ingredients in tobacco products. The measure would also prohibit tobacco companies from using terms such as "low risk," "light," and "mild" on packaging."

Even worse though, he belives that the current socialist regime of government should have the power to limit free speech when the speech is conservative, and even worse, that nut job whacko leftist should burn American flags in protest!

"In June 2006, Durbin voted against a federal ban on burning the U.S. flag as a form of protest.[24]

In 2007, speaking as Senate Majority Whip, Durbin went on record as stating that "Itís time to reinstitute the Fairness Doctrine."[25]"


The list goes on and on but check out his voting record for yourselves. Warning! Don't get sick to your stomaches when you see his voting record on abortions!

As far as I am concerned we'd be better off if he had a .45 70 shoved up...........

I'll just have another shot of Old Crow Reserve and forget about it!

Mods, probably best if this thread was moved to the Rubber Room!
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PostSubject: Re: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:04 pm

puros_bran wrote:


I am so glad the Founding Fathers are dead! I don't hold them to be infallible by any means but every one of those boys would drop dead from heart attack if they could see how pathetic we as a people have become...

Its a semi-soft tyranny but it IS a tyranny.

Amen!
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PostSubject: Re: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:37 am

Look what I'm saying is Obama didn't cause it.. I didn't vote for the guy, and I'll be glad when he is out of office, but it aint his fault we are where we are.. Don't get all grinning and crap Democrats, it aint GeeDubya's fault either..

Way back in the 30's we had an Economic Meltdown.. Same crap we have today but a little worse.. Greedy rich dudes collapsing the system to reap rewards from the collapse and from the rebuild.. The administration at the time started playing alphabet soup.. Every time they opened their mouth they took a little more control and the people cheered them on... Its been down hill since.. BUT, we can't go back.

About the only way, (which I don't think is realistically possible) is to wipe out the government, everyone that is dependent on the government (all of us) and everyone that profits off the government. There'd be nothing left. Kick out this group of tyrants and put in another group of tyrants does what? Nothing, you still have power mad insanity, you still have people dependent on the government, you still have people profiting off the government.. And the kicker is, Even if it would change something its designed to be impossible... You can't get them all out at once because of the stagger put into the election.. Vote one group out this election and you still have 2/3's of the Old Guard in the senate, 1/2 the Old Guard in the house, and you can't even vote out the SC or even District Court justices... "In six years we could change it PB".. Nope because the Old Guard has the "New Guard' corrupt within months, if not weeks... Besides that by the time someone has enough experience for the average joe to send them to Washington they are already Old Guard corrupt...'Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss'....

Top all that off with the slow slide over the past 80 years with each generation believing less and less in a true constitutional government and believing more and more that the government has a RIGHT to do the things they do and its a totally lost cause... The people that scream they are constitutionalist, myself included, don't really want a Constitutional Government...
Under a true constitutional government: Social Security, Interstates, and Public Schools are gone.. The Army and Air force are gone.. The FDA,EPA,ATF, etc Gone.. (Don't say that would be a good thing until you think through why these institutions came into place to start with).. Life as we know it would be gone...

No protection against the Tire guys who sold you a tire that will blow in 500 miles killing your family as you rush them to the doctor hoping he will save their lifes from the bad dope they took thinking it was food poisoning medication from the bad beenie weenies they ate.. That is if you can even get there on the pot holed up road that used to be federally funded and the watered down gas in your tank.. We used to manage without the Federal Gov.. The average man, no the vast majority of men, can't now.. Its not just the Government that changed, the people have too.. Even the ones that see what we have is messed up are to a large degree dependent upon the government..

Some get mad at me when I say stuff like this, they seem to think I should keep my mouth shut until I have a solution.. The problem is there isn't a real solution that doesn't include a very painful reworking of at least 80 years of conditioning, a lot of death, a long hard row to hoe for the few that survive, and ending up in the exact same boat down the line.

I see the tyranny of it, I just don't see a solution that truly works.. Change for the sake of change doesn't work, voting this tyranny out and voting a new one doesn't work.. I don't know what would work.. I admit that, but I've seen what is currently proposed done in my little short life time and can see that it doesn't work... They have went to far, we let them, now we are Catch-22.. Independents will act just like the rest of them,Tea party candidates WILL act just like the rest of them, 'NEW Republicans' will act just like the rest of them, and as we are being shown today 'Hope' 'Transparency' etc acts just like the rest of them... I'd type more but that's book enough.. Besides I need to go use the 1.2 liter per flush toilet sitting under the compact floresant dark sucker..
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PostSubject: Re: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:07 am

PB, you are right on many of the points but I would say that the political ills that we are experiencing as citizens of the Republic started way before the 1930's. I believe they actually started in the Early to mid 1800's, maybe shortly after Washington's presidency. The foundation of a majority of our current political structure and philosophies was laid during reconstruction. You hit on some of the points but there is so much to it that we could go on for days and days and days.

I just ain't ready to give up yet, and probably never will.
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PostSubject: Re: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:32 am

Mark, I think you have used this quote from the movie Patriot In debating about being free from the King of England (I'll Paraphrase)"Would you rather serve one tyrant 1,000 miles away or 1,000 tyrants a few miles away?"

PB, I don't know if just wiping out the ones in power now would be enough, the whole of Washington D.C. is corrupt. I think we need to abandon the entire Capital and start over at a new location with all newly elected citizens etc.

My $2.00(adjusted for inflation)
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PostSubject: Re: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:31 am

I didn't say whiping out the leadership was sufficiant... I used to believe that but its wrong.

I said, or attempted to say, you'd have to whipe out the majority of this nation.. Everyone in federal politics, every one with a unconstitutional federal job, every one that benifits from the federal government (which is most if not all of us on here), every state government that recieves more from the feds than the state gives the feds, and a lot more I can't type up at the moment...

Basically the level of violence needed to change things to a positive would destroy the nation altogether..Violence isn't the answer.
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PostSubject: Re: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:55 am

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Basically the level of violence needed to change things to a positive would destroy the nation altogether..Violence isn't the answer.

So we just take whatever they dish out then.
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PostSubject: Re: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:09 am

Absolutely not...

I do think we need to vote them out as often as we can...
I also think we need to do things like non-violent protest (the Tea Partys ARE a fine example)
I also think we need to follow every workplace law right down to the letter..it would shut the country down in short order...

But as for What would actually bring change??? I don't know yet.. Maybe I'm not smart enough to figure that out.. It is a very real possibility..lol...

I know what we need, I just have no idea how to get there..
We need common folk with common sense cycling through Washington (1 termers). We need to seperate fnance from government, ie: corporate donations, kickbacks, corporate ceo's in government oversight of Their industry... We need to reform government spending so they can't spend more than common market value for goods and services.. We need a Safety net reform taking the abuse out od the system. We need to take political activist off the benches and replace them with people concerned with the right and wrong of a case.. We need stuff like that.. I just don't know how to get it... I don't even know if its possible to get it.
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PostSubject: Re: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:50 am

Interesting poll on Fox this morning that 57% of surveyed would vote out their incumbent representatives in upcoming election. Only 20-some percent who would support the current regime. Regardless of Dem or GOP. That would be an interesting thing to happen.
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PostSubject: Re: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:52 am

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Absolutely not...

I do think we need to vote them out as often as we can...
I also think we need to do things like non-violent protest (the Tea Partys ARE a fine example)
I also think we need to follow every workplace law right down to the letter..it would shut the country down in short order...

But as for What would actually bring change??? I don't know yet.. Maybe I'm not smart enough to figure that out.. It is a very real possibility..lol...

I know what we need, I just have no idea how to get there..
We need common folk with common sense cycling through Washington (1 termers). We need to seperate fnance from government, ie: corporate donations, kickbacks, corporate ceo's in government oversight of Their industry... We need to reform government spending so they can't spend more than common market value for goods and services.. We need a Safety net reform taking the abuse out od the system. We need to take political activist off the benches and replace them with people concerned with the right and wrong of a case.. We need stuff like that.. I just don't know how to get it... I don't even know if its possible to get it.

Here! Here! PB! But you know that all just makes to much sense and sounds too much like a lot of those haters that call themselves Tea Partiers! What are you?! Anti-government or something!!! You bucking the establishment! Get with it man!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:03 am

Hunter the only problem with that is we end up in the same boat we are now... Unless... We make it clear to those we vote in that We The People have imposed term limits, that we are NOT voting for Establishment.

Did the Dems win last time? OR was it that people are tired of the same old same old... Seems I remember a feller running on 'Change'... We didn't get Change, we got same ole same ole... I also can't help but chuckle...Tj told us the next election would be about change too.. He was right.


@JP.. Uhhh I've been anti-government since Bush I.
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PostSubject: Re: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:05 am

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We need common folk with common sense cycling through Washington
Last clear chance at that we had was 1968 with George Wallace. The raw poll numbers (un-cooked) showed him winning in a landslide.

So they took him out.

Normal.

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PostSubject: Re: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:45 am

puros_bran wrote:
Hunter the only problem with that is we end up in the same boat we are now... Unless... We make it clear to those we vote in that We The People have imposed term limits, that we are NOT voting for Establishment.

Did the Dems win last time? OR was it that people are tired of the same old same old... Seems I remember a feller running on 'Change'... We didn't get Change, we got same ole same ole... I also can't help but chuckle...Tj told us the next election would be about change too.. He was right.


@JP.. Uhhh I've been anti-government since Bush I.

Hey, I can't agree more. Guess I am jumping to the conclusion that if a new crop gets voted in, they they will understand how much scrutiny they will be under. However, not sure we can depend on general populous limited memory, if and when things start to go the right way it's back to watching Survivor reruns again.

Regarding "Change" I was just thinking again this morning that it was the promise of washing the last regime's dirty laundry that got our current government elected. And all we hear a year plus later is how things are still bad because of what they inherited. That's the only reason they are elected, time to live up to some promises instead of making more excuses.
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PostSubject: Re: Tobacco Tax Parity Act   Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:52 pm

Hunter5117 wrote:
That's the only reason they are elected, time to live up to some promises instead of making more excuses.

I have some bad news for you Hunter! That's all you are going to get are more excuses!
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