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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:37 am

puros_bran wrote:
LL it ain't the same anymore... CSA2010 had changed the whole ball game.. Plus all the extra ' security' (its not, its just more people going through your dirty shorts supposedly preventing bombs and more paper work to fill out, with more government fees everytime you turn around....a guy with a gun can still kill a whole lot of people at these supposed secure sites).. The whole industry is moving toward electronic logs without changing the age old seat of the pants/hurry up and wait bs... Its not fun any more..Its really miserable just to be honest.. Politicians have "protected us" to the point there's no real money in it... What's the point?

Is the tank business part of the increased scrutiny? Also, I'd imagine there are small(er) outfits that will resist e-logs and so forth for as long as they can. I gotta think there will be enough of a backlash over CSA2010 that something like a subculture will form. Truckers are about as easy to herd as cats.

Flatbedding is pretty fun, too, if you've considered it. No waiting at either end, you make your own delivery appointments, you go to all sorts of interesting places (not just tank farms/warehouses/distro centers connected by Interstates), securement is a tricky-but-fun game all its own, and heavy haul outfits are always on the lookout for the sharpest drivers. Maybe a change is all you need, not a complete career swap.

Just thinkin' out loud, understand. Imagining you outside a truck is hard to do. Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:09 pm

Their coming along with making the boxes mandatory..

CSA2010 really in an underhanded way makes it so.. The FMCSA/Transportation Dep has changed the way they evaluate Carriers and added in Driver Evaluation.. You have to many points, and they are handed out in a stupid way, you loose your CDL.. You get points your carrier gets points.. They get to many points they lose thier Authority...

Heres how its working so far:
We have a local driver that goes out to Berea Ky almost everyday in his 64 mph truck, coming back empty one day he got a 77 mph ticket..
He fought it, the judge tossed it out.. The Cop got the wrong guy but was never going to admit it.. Our driver brought the computer print out showing the govern, brought the Black Berry GPS tracking and the Sky Bits trailer tracking (they only show average speed over a 5/15 minute time frame).. After the Cop saw 'The Evidense' he argued that our driver was rolling down a hill.. Woulda worked, Shoulda worked, Why didn't it work??? The Judge told the cop he drives that location to work, home to lunch, back to work, and finally home everyday and there wasn't a hill within 50 miles that would make a loaded truck run 77 much less an empty truck.. Case dismissed...
NOW HERES THE CSA2010 BULLSHIT>>> It's still going against our local driver under the new system, they are counting Citations, NOT Convictions.. Our safety dept (I was in the room while some of it it went on) tried to get the Transportation Dept/DMV/DOT/FMCSA and everyone else connected to not count this against him.. NO DICE.

Its crazier than that though.. you can research how they assign the points, what points are generated for what activity.. The new medical rules.. and a host of other stuff by just googling CSA 2010.. but heres a few examples...

Unnecessary delay in HM transportation to destination: 1
Failing to use hazard warning flashers:1
Parking vehicle with explosives less than 5 feet from traveled highway:1
Operating HM vehicle through prohibited area:1
Unauthorized passenger on board CMV:1
Log violation (general/form and manner):2
Operating a CMV without a CDL:3
No pre-trip inspection:4
Inoperative turn signal:6
Inoperative tail lamp:6
Inoperative head lamps:6
Inadequate brake system:4
No or defective air reservoir drain valve:4
Failed to use caution for hazardous condition: 5
Reckless driving: 10
Following too close: 5
Driver uses or is in possession of drugs:10
Possession/use/under influence alcohol-4hrs prior to duty:5
Improper turns:5
Operating a CMV while ill/fatigued:10

http://www.landlinemag.com/todays_news/Daily/2009/Dec09/121409/SMSMethodology.pdf


You'll notice some dumbass points values... a burned out head light gets you more points than no brakes???
Drug use gets more points than drunk driving??? Forgetting to sign your log is more serious than parking a load of explosives on the white line??? And the 'officers descetion' bullshit.. Being to ill to drive is worse than drunk driving? worse than no taillights? An improper turn (whatever that is) is worse than taking a poisen gas through Holland Tunnel??? Shit..
And the only way to get the points off isn't by beating the citation in court, its by appealing to the federal agency that lives/breathes/dies/ and just happens to be funded by this shit?
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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:13 pm

More...

Applicable Violation is defined as any violation recorded in any level roadside inspection that matches the FMCSR and HMR cites listed for Unsafe Driving (Table 1 in Appendix A) and Controlled Substances and Alcohol (Table 2 in Appendix A) during the past 24 months. In cases of multiple counts of the same violation, the CSMS only uses each violation cite once per inspection.


So one brake out of adjustment by 1/16 an inch is as serious as 10 brakes out of adjustment by 2 inches????
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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:07 pm

Yeah, that looks nuts. If that is the final version and not just the proposed one, I can guarantee that in a year driver pay will skyrocket. People willing to deal with that level of BS will be few and far between, never mind can actually do it.

Is there anything about this country that didn't used to be better?
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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:13 pm

I'd pay money to listen to your help desk calls PB... You're going to have to refrain from calling the users crackerheads. Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:58 pm

jhuggett wrote:
I'd pay money to listen to your help desk calls PB... You're going to have to refrain from calling the users crackerheads. Laughing
lol!
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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:14 pm

I call people crackerheads in the pulpit, what makes a helpdesk so special.... Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Fri Sep 24, 2010 5:46 pm

hi puros
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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:54 pm

Howdy...
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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:25 pm

PB, I used to push one of those big bitches coast to coast... dry box for a while... a garbage truck for a while... then, back to dry box. I've run my share of the east coast... and, then some!!!

I checked out what you were saying and the link that you provided. All I can say is that it's a crock of $hit!!! I've no doubt in my mind that it won't be long and there won't be any truck drivers left! A good portion of them will be eliminated with this stupid crap! And, the drivers who remain will simply get tired of putting up with such $hit and quit!!! It's quite enough to put up with dispatchers, shippers, and receivers that believe you have a Saturn V rocket attached to your ass and can run 6,000 miles a week... legal! And, now this????

If I were still driving, I'd be hunting me something better to do too!! Once I found it, I'd tell them to cram their trucks, trailers, logs, QUALCOMMs, regulations, and Saturn V rockets straight up their tight little asses!!!!!!!

This crap holds the driver responsible for things that the company should be held accountable for. That AIN'T RIGHT!!! But, it really doesn't surprise me. America's society is of a mentality that the ones who are actually at fault should never be held responsible... it's someone else's fault... blame him... penalize him... not me!

And, I'd say their priorities were a might f***ed up. But, it is painfully evident to me that they have NO priorities... except the financial ruination of professional truck drivers!!! It's a shame... a f***ed up, $hitty shame!!!

Sorry for the rant! But, most truck drivers are good, hard working men and women! And, the last thing they need is to have to bend over and get dry corn-holed more than they have been getting for the past few years!!!!!!

Robert
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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:01 pm

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PB, I used to push one of those big bitches coast to coast... dry box for a while... a garbage truck for a while... then, back to dry box. I've run my share of the east coast... and, then some!!!

I checked out what you were saying and the link that you provided. All I can say is that it's a crock of $hit!!! I've no doubt in my mind that it won't be long and there won't be any truck drivers left! A good portion of them will be eliminated with this stupid crap! And, the drivers who remain will simply get tired of putting up with such $hit and quit!!! It's quite enough to put up with dispatchers, shippers, and receivers that believe you have a Saturn V rocket attached to your ass and can run 6,000 miles a week... legal! And, now this????

If I were still driving, I'd be hunting me something better to do too!! Once I found it, I'd tell them to cram their trucks, trailers, logs, QUALCOMMs, regulations, and Saturn V rockets straight up their tight little asses!!!!!!!

This crap holds the driver responsible for things that the company should be held accountable for. That AIN'T RIGHT!!! But, it really doesn't surprise me. America's society is of a mentality that the ones who are actually at fault should never be held responsible... it's someone else's fault... blame him... penalize him... not me!

And, I'd say their priorities were a might f***ed up. But, it is painfully evident to me that they have NO priorities... except the financial ruination of professional truck drivers!!! It's a shame... a f***ed up, $hitty shame!!!

Sorry for the rant! But, most truck drivers are good, hard working men and women! And, the last thing they need is to have to bend over and get dry corn-holed more than they have been getting for the past few years!!!!!!

Robert

Now that's prose... Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:16 pm

Hey PB, I think you got some competition here in the area of "tell us what you really think"! Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:31 pm

LOL
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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:46 pm

beebiz wrote:
PB, I used to push one of those big bitches coast to coast... dry box for a while... a garbage truck for a while... then, back to dry box. I've run my share of the east coast... and, then some!!!

I checked out what you were saying and the link that you provided. All I can say is that it's a crock of $hit!!! I've no doubt in my mind that it won't be long and there won't be any truck drivers left! A good portion of them will be eliminated with this stupid crap! And, the drivers who remain will simply get tired of putting up with such $hit and quit!!! It's quite enough to put up with dispatchers, shippers, and receivers that believe you have a Saturn V rocket attached to your ass and can run 6,000 miles a week... legal! And, now this????

If I were still driving, I'd be hunting me something better to do too!! Once I found it, I'd tell them to cram their trucks, trailers, logs, QUALCOMMs, regulations, and Saturn V rockets straight up their tight little asses!!!!!!!

This crap holds the driver responsible for things that the company should be held accountable for. That AIN'T RIGHT!!! But, it really doesn't surprise me. America's society is of a mentality that the ones who are actually at fault should never be held responsible... it's someone else's fault... blame him... penalize him... not me!

And, I'd say their priorities were a might f***ed up. But, it is painfully evident to me that they have NO priorities... except the financial ruination of professional truck drivers!!! It's a shame... a f***ed up, $hitty shame!!!

Sorry for the rant! But, most truck drivers are good, hard working men and women! And, the last thing they need is to have to bend over and get dry corn-holed more than they have been getting for the past few years!!!!!!

Robert

so glad to see beebiz put his politeness aside for a moment. (thank god he's with us and not against us!)
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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:52 am

My brothers, it is true that I believe that there is a serious lacking in the areas of genuine, heartfelt love, genuine politeness, and genuine, expecting nothing in return generosity in this world... especially in America! But, it is equally true that there is an overabundance of self entitlement, me-ism/I-ism, lack of responsibility for ones actions, and "you'll do as we the minority say or else" attitude that exists as well!! And, I... for one... have had my craw full of it!!

I am always proud and willing to stand, hold hands, and sing "Kumbaya" (meaning "Come By My God") with any deserving group of people... such as my brothers here! But, the inner lining of my stomach is so raw from trying to digest the attitude and direction that America has taken that I am literally about ready to puke up my sox!!

It's almost enough to make me go streaking across the country with "Give me Constitutional freedom where the MAJORITY RULES" painted across my chest; and "or, KISS MY ASS" painted across my butt!!"

Wake up America!!!! Let us return to the ways and intentions of our Founding Fathers... a country where a man can choose to live as he pleases... as long as he is putting no one else in harm's way... a country where you and I can decide what is good or bad for us... not where such decisions are made by a bureaucracy that is crazy with greed and a fear of the minority... a country where a man who is down on his luck can grab himself by his own bootstraps and pull himself up... not where that man is taxed completely out of his boots and paid to stay down despite his ability to get back up... a country where there is a difference between right and wrong... and the gray area between them is not as broad as the night's sky... a country where our government is in fact, "of the people, by the people, for the people"... and not a dictatorship that is drunk with greed and power... and, a country where the majority rules... not where the majority bends, bows and kowtows to every whim of the minority for fear of hurting someone's feelings or leaving someone out!!!!!!!

Quite simply put... let us once again become AMERICANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now... I sincerely hope that I have not been too vague in expressing my feelings!! Shocked I do actually feel a bit better!!!!!! Wink Wink
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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:07 am

Dang boys!!!
I go quiet for 3 days and there is a full blown novel going on here!!!!!

Now I feel even more outa touch than before!!!! Laughing scratch
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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:15 am

Gee whiz Robert, you should have got into politics. That's some fine rhetoric.
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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:30 am

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Gee whiz Robert, you should have got into politics. That's some fine rhetoric.
WELL said!!!....Mudd the Diplomat!!! Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:05 am

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Gee whiz Robert, you should have got into politics. That's some fine rhetoric.
Muddler, since I took that as a compliment, I thank you. But, I am not near about crooked enough to be in politics! I don't lie near about enough to be in politics! And, I'd could never get elected, because I don't play favorites in favor of money!! But, if by some snowflake's prayer in Hell I were ever elected to an office where I could do some good, I would soon be killed for not going with the political flow!!!

The rhetoric comes quite easily for me, because it does not come from some speech that was written by someone else, and handed to me to memorize or read in front of a camera! I love my country with all of my heart, soul, and mind! So, everything that I say comes directly from all three... together!!!! There's no political influence or motivation from a desire to increase my position in a poll. My motivation comes directly from an honest love for America and her citizens; and an earnest desire to see her and her citizens prosper and do that which is morally correct... not politically correct!!!!

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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:14 am

Muddler wrote:
Gee whiz Robert, you should have got into politics. That's some fine rhetoric.
cheers cheers cheers Robert for President!! cheers cheers cheers
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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:46 am

Thanks, BD! But, I wouldn't take the position of President at gunpoint! Because I genuinely care more for my country and her citizens than I do for those who could best line a politician's pockets, I'd be afraid I'd be removed from office at gunpoint... a still smoking gunpoint!!! affraid affraid

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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:34 am

Very true Rob, and it rings true of politicians around the globe. I know, I have worked in that arena for more than 10 years and there is a saying that I find very accurate. "When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President; I'm beginning to believe it."
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PostSubject: Re: It occured to me   Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:20 am

bluedigital wrote:
Very true Rob, and it rings true of politicians around the globe. I know, I have worked in that arena for more than 10 years and there is a saying that I find very accurate. "When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President; I'm beginning to believe it."
I understand totally and completly, BD! But, I fear that in this day and time a much more accurate sentiment would be that anything can become President!! Given the direction that the United States has been heading in the last several years, it would not surprise me if the morning after our next Presidential election we awake to find either a skunk or a weasel as our new President! It sounds a might far fetched until you consider the fact that we currently have a jackass for President!! So, a skunk or weasel wouldn't be that much of a stretch!!! affraid affraid affraid

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