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Ol'Dawg

Number of posts: 1483 Age: 64 Location: Northeast Georgia Registration date: 2008-01-03
 | Subject: Gun control in Switzerland Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:11 am | |
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|  | | puros_bran Nightrider

Number of posts: 5012 Registration date: 2007-12-11
 | Subject: Re: Gun control in Switzerland Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:30 am | |
| "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be
to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows
that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races
to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so
doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply
of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the
overthrow of any sovereignty." - Adolf Hitler _________________  |
|  | | puros_bran Nightrider

Number of posts: 5012 Registration date: 2007-12-11
 | Subject: Re: Gun control in Switzerland Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:36 am | |
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|  | | Joseph76

Number of posts: 113 Location: Ontario, Canada Registration date: 2008-12-27
 | Subject: Re: Gun control in Switzerland Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:05 pm | |
| I've only visited Switzerland once but what I quickly came away with was... the Swiss are a highly educated group of people who value freedom but also care about their neighbors. I think Education is the key. |
|  | | Al in Canada

Number of posts: 345 Age: 65 Location: Blenheim, Ontario Tobacco: SG Balkan Blend; Solani 369; Rattray's Highland Targe; McR's Roll Cake; McB's Plum Cake, and I am still hunting. Pipe: Favourite pipe? Oh my, is it my Karl Erik Egg, or ,maybe my one dot Saseni, no, maybe one of the DHs, or my XL Peterson, oh I can't choose. Thank goodness i don't have to choose just one. Registration date: 2009-04-20
 | Subject: Re: Gun control in Switzerland Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:05 pm | |
| Interesting country and people the Swiss. Four official languages, they use a form of direct democracy for part of their government, with nation wide "town" meetings, and universal male military service.
That military service ends up with everyone being a member of the reserve, and they must maintain their personal weapon, do a summer camp. You note the man points to four different generations of the family military guns in the video.
Their military policy is to mount a small unit defense upon mobilization. Helps to have a strong defensive terrain, but no one has felt ready to take them on in recent times. |
|  | | puros_bran Nightrider

Number of posts: 5012 Registration date: 2007-12-11
 | Subject: Re: Gun control in Switzerland Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:18 pm | |
| They were pretty bad dudes in antiquity also.. I hear tale the Pope still likes to keep a few of those Swiss fellers around. _________________  |
|  | | Al in Canada

Number of posts: 345 Age: 65 Location: Blenheim, Ontario Tobacco: SG Balkan Blend; Solani 369; Rattray's Highland Targe; McR's Roll Cake; McB's Plum Cake, and I am still hunting. Pipe: Favourite pipe? Oh my, is it my Karl Erik Egg, or ,maybe my one dot Saseni, no, maybe one of the DHs, or my XL Peterson, oh I can't choose. Thank goodness i don't have to choose just one. Registration date: 2009-04-20
 | Subject: Re: Gun control in Switzerland Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:42 pm | |
| | puros_bran wrote: | | They were pretty bad dudes in antiquity also.. I hear tale the Pope still likes to keep a few of those Swiss fellers around. |
Yeah, you got the post card types, with pikes and lace collars and puffy pants, and then you got the rest of them with very modern weaponry that you never see http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Swiss_Guard_2.JPG |
|  | | puros_bran Nightrider

Number of posts: 5012 Registration date: 2007-12-11
 | Subject: Re: Gun control in Switzerland Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:58 pm | |
| Yeah they use the 550... Badarse weapon..
From what I understood they have all been under som e pretty serious training the past 5-6 years, weapons & tactics, CQB, Martial Arts.. Looks like they are trying to make them 'real' body guards. _________________  |
|  | | Al in Canada

Number of posts: 345 Age: 65 Location: Blenheim, Ontario Tobacco: SG Balkan Blend; Solani 369; Rattray's Highland Targe; McR's Roll Cake; McB's Plum Cake, and I am still hunting. Pipe: Favourite pipe? Oh my, is it my Karl Erik Egg, or ,maybe my one dot Saseni, no, maybe one of the DHs, or my XL Peterson, oh I can't choose. Thank goodness i don't have to choose just one. Registration date: 2009-04-20
 | Subject: Re: Gun control in Switzerland Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:21 pm | |
| | puros_bran wrote: | Yeah they use the 550... Badarse weapon..
From what I understood they have all been under som e pretty serious training the past 5-6 years, weapons & tactics, CQB, Martial Arts.. Looks like they are trying to make them 'real' body guards. |
My understanding is that they have always been a competent and trained military force, with a visible showcase public presence. Kind of like the Marine color guard at Arlington, Marines first, and then selected to make a showpiece for the public. They look like show pieces, but they are all trained Marines first and foremost.
And I think their tightening up of their security measures goes back to the 1970 knife attack, although it may predate that. |
|  | | puros_bran Nightrider

Number of posts: 5012 Registration date: 2007-12-11
 | Subject: Re: Gun control in Switzerland Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:26 pm | |
| Yes they have but after the murder-suicide of the commandant and his gay lover a few years back they have been kickin it up a notch. _________________  |
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 | Subject: Re: Gun control in Switzerland Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:39 pm | |
| Gun Control in Texas:
You stay the fuck of my property and I'll contol myself and not shoot you in the ass.
I am THE Texas Outlaw and I approve of this message.
And If you ain't down with that, I got two words for you.... |
|  | | Al in Canada

Number of posts: 345 Age: 65 Location: Blenheim, Ontario Tobacco: SG Balkan Blend; Solani 369; Rattray's Highland Targe; McR's Roll Cake; McB's Plum Cake, and I am still hunting. Pipe: Favourite pipe? Oh my, is it my Karl Erik Egg, or ,maybe my one dot Saseni, no, maybe one of the DHs, or my XL Peterson, oh I can't choose. Thank goodness i don't have to choose just one. Registration date: 2009-04-20
 | Subject: Re: Gun control in Switzerland Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:41 pm | |
| | Texas Outlaw wrote: | Gun Control in Texas:
You stay the fuck of my property and I'll contol myself and not shoot you in the ass.
I am THE Texas Outlaw and I approve of this message.
And If you ain't down with that, I got two words for you.... |
different set of assumptions in the two societies. In the U.S. the settlers were always out racing the law, first there were people, then the law when they got organized, if they did. Until the law came along justice was strictly the concept honourable people decided to enforce and everyman felt he was a legitimate source for the rules of the law.
In Canada the frontier was opened to settlers by the government, the laws and courts accompanied or preceded the settlers. And the Mounties did some amazing things with very few men, and little enough violence.
End result, in Canada there is a tradition of relying on the police to protect the community, and the courts to enforce just laws, contrasted to the American basic distrust of government power (as seen in the Constitutional checks and balances), and a reliance on the personal enforcement of justice.
In Canada you cannot assume that someone coming on to your property means you harm, and even if they do, your response has to be measured to the threat. Shooting at, let alone shooting and hitting, someone stealing a chicken from my hen house is not an appropriate level of response to the crime. If someone broke into my house and was threatening me with a knife and I shot him and put him down, it would not be appropriate to finish him off. Very civilized don't you know.
And before you fire a broadside aback, realize the system works. the homicide rate per 100,000 in Montreal is (2.6), Vancouver (3.1), Toronto (3.3) [2007] [2007] Compared with homicide rate for Atlanta (19.7), Boston (10.3), Los Angeles (10.0), New York City (6.3).
Most threatening people who come onto my property, as a rule, are "used" religion salesmen. Misguided people who go away when asked. Haven't had to resort to my last resort, "I only discuss God nude, can't wear any prideful garments when seeking God's truth." LOL |
|  | | Doc Manhattan BoB's Team

Number of posts: 2196 Age: 31 Location: Land of Steady Habits Tobacco: Reiner LGF Pipe: Gregor Lobnik Registration date: 2008-05-26
 | Subject: Re: Gun control in Switzerland Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:56 pm | |
| New York City isn't a fair example--the gun control laws there are substantially stricter than Canada's... not to mention that there's a bigger population than all but one Canadian province, crammed into an area smaller than some cornfields. It's just always going to be a statistical exception. _________________ "The plural of anecdote is not data." -Frank Kotsonis
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|  | | Al in Canada

Number of posts: 345 Age: 65 Location: Blenheim, Ontario Tobacco: SG Balkan Blend; Solani 369; Rattray's Highland Targe; McR's Roll Cake; McB's Plum Cake, and I am still hunting. Pipe: Favourite pipe? Oh my, is it my Karl Erik Egg, or ,maybe my one dot Saseni, no, maybe one of the DHs, or my XL Peterson, oh I can't choose. Thank goodness i don't have to choose just one. Registration date: 2009-04-20
 | Subject: Re: Gun control in Switzerland Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:18 pm | |
| Doc M,
NYC doesn't come off all that bad, worse than the smaller Canadian cities, but look how much better than the other American cities. And no the "Sullivan Act" (or its successor) is no where near as stringent as Canadian gun laws.
I would have to really jump through a lot of hoops to get a hand gun here, and it would have to be kept under lock and key, as would its ammo, and you need a specific permit to move it from storage say to a range for shooting. And no deviations in the transportation route to or from would be allowed, or be subject to arrest. There is no such thing for the common man as a carry permit.
If i possessed a hand gun, and someone broke into my house and was armed, I would have to unlock the gun cabinet, then unlock the trigger guard, then load the gun before i could use it. LOL
Luckily this is not a scenario that is likely to happen here, unless I happen to be a drug dealer, and they don't seem to care much about the gun laws. Seized guns in the States are generally auctioned off, and thus go back into the system, unless they are patently illegal like a Browning 50 cal MG, here they destroyed.
The really big difference is here if your really obnoxious brother-in-law takes the turkey drumstick off your plate at Thanksgiving dinner you might punch him in the nose or go at him with the carving knife, in Buffalo or Detroit you go get the pistol out of the night stand in your bedroom and have at him from across the room. Similar scenario if you catch your wife in bed with the next door neighbor. |
|  | | Justpipes The Duke

Number of posts: 7482 Age: 51 Location: Randolph County, NC If you don't know, you wouldn't understand. Tobacco: John Middleton Walnut, Prince Albert, GLP Cumberland, C&D Exhausted Rooster , add Carter Hall to the mix, as well as Perfection Plug Burley Pipe: Brissetts, Kaywoodies Registration date: 2007-12-17
 | Subject: Re: Gun control in Switzerland Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:17 am | |
| | Texas Outlaw wrote: | Gun Control in Texas:
You stay the fuck of my property and I'll contol myself and not shoot you in the ass.
I am THE Texas Outlaw and I approve of this message.
And If you ain't down with that, I got two words for you.... |
I vote for the Texas gun control philosphy!_________________ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." Theodore RooseveltA Patriot's History of the United States |
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