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Falconer

Falconer

Age : 69
Location : this side of Wichita
Registration date : 2010-06-12

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PostSubject: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyMon Oct 18, 2010 11:17 pm

Say guys I've recently finished a novel, (two years in the making) not my first try at this but this one I'm quite satisfied with. But where do I go from here? Do any of you know of a trustworthy, qualified person or business of this trade that would be willing to review it? My first one was sent to some publisher that replied saying, "We liked you book. Please send us a check for $11,000 and we'll print 100 copies in hard back for you." Mad

Thanks in advance, Valky
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Smokin' Blues

Smokin' Blues

Age : 42
Location : Booneville, Kentucky
Registration date : 2009-04-16

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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyMon Oct 18, 2010 11:47 pm

Congrats on the novel Valky!
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LL

LL

Location : KCMO
Registration date : 2007-12-29

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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyMon Oct 18, 2010 11:55 pm

If you want it published by the trade (meaning other than by the vanity route) you have no choice but to send it with a cover letter to every publisher in the business that is known handle the sort of book you wrote.

Be prepared for a LOT of rejection. Less than 1% of first novels ever get accepted. 95% never get read past the first couple of pages.

Further, be prepared for endless re-writes if an editor thinks he sees a glimmer of wheat amongst the chaff. (Be overjoyed if that's the case---those guys don't waste their time.)

Advice: If you get that far, do NOT argue with what they say. Put your ego aside completely. It is their business, and they know both what they are talking about and what they want. Do your best to embrace all criticism and make the improvements asked for.
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Irene Adler

Age : 33
Location : Berkeley, California
Registration date : 2008-11-25

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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyWed Oct 20, 2010 1:00 pm

My advice: "Listen to LL". I recommend him on all matters involving the entertainment industry.

He's my number one go-to guy.
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beaupipe

beaupipe

Registration date : 2009-02-21

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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyWed Oct 20, 2010 1:50 pm

Agent, agent, agent. I don't know a soul who still reads unsolicited work and it's been that way for at least 3 decades. This (and it doesn't matter that it comes from a genre site) is useful--maybe essential--reading.

http://www.sfwa.org/for-authors/writer-beware/agents/
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Hermit

Hermit

Age : 67
Location : Ascension Parish
Registration date : 2008-04-22

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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyWed Oct 20, 2010 2:25 pm

I'll wait for the movie. Laughing
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LL

LL

Location : KCMO
Registration date : 2007-12-29

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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyWed Oct 20, 2010 2:41 pm

beaupipe wrote:
Agent, agent, agent. I don't know a soul who still reads unsolicited work and it's been that way for at least 3 decades.

Getting unsolicited stuff read is indeed the problem, but not impossible. You are looking (in effect) for someone who is starting out in their business, and willing to do some panning for gold. It's the publishing biz equivalent of cold calling.

Agents have even LESS interested in unpublished writers than editors, if that's possible. After you start racking up some significant scores, they will find you. Before that point in time you don't exist.
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Doc Manhattan

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Age : 41
Location : Land of Steady Habits
Registration date : 2008-05-26

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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyWed Oct 20, 2010 3:08 pm

If you aren't coming into the business with any connections, the "traditional" way in is to build a reputation publishing short work in reputable places--it is not glamorous nor high-paying, but your chances with a slush (unsolicited) submission are much better with short work, and if you have promise even rejections may help you build professional rapport. Publishing is an incestuous business, and the more people who see anything of yours, the better your chances for a foot in the door one way or another.

But if you're just selling a novel from a dead stop, I'd say borrow the latest Writer's Market from the library and ship it off anywhere that's a good fit that takes unsolicited work. (Unless it's specific genre fiction, in which case you *might* have slightly better odds cold-submitting to an agency that specializes in same.) Either way, long odds, but as good as the odds get in this case.
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LL

LL

Location : KCMO
Registration date : 2007-12-29

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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyWed Oct 20, 2010 7:38 pm

Doc Manhattan wrote:
If you aren't coming into the business with any connections, the "traditional" way in is to build a reputation publishing short work in reputable places--it is not glamorous nor high-paying, but your chances with a slush (unsolicited) submission are much better with short work, and if you have promise even rejections may help you build professional rapport. Publishing is an incestuous business, and the more people who see anything of yours, the better your chances for a foot in the door one way or another.

But if you're just selling a novel from a dead stop, I'd say borrow the latest Writer's Market from the library and ship it off anywhere that's a good fit that takes unsolicited work. (Unless it's specific genre fiction, in which case you *might* have slightly better odds cold-submitting to an agency that specializes in same.) Either way, long odds, but as good as the odds get in this case.

Yes to all this ^^^^

An unknown writer trying to publish a first novel is the publishing world's equivalent of a pretty girl moving to Hollywood to become a movie star. Very nearly a total myth. A handful succeed for every million who try.

Every working/successful novelist I know spent 10-15 years writing whatever they could, got published by any means they could, and used as many names as necessary to cover the spectrum of genres that entailed. Outdoor articles, travel articles, short stories, children's stories, formula romance, even porn, etc. etc. Whatever paid that someone, somewhere was willing to assign them or take on spec. Only after they had an impressive track record of such material---and a history of delivering what they promised---was anyone willing to go to bat for them for a novel.

Sorry if all that makes for a downer, but that's simply how it is.


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Falconer

Falconer

Age : 69
Location : this side of Wichita
Registration date : 2010-06-12

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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyWed Oct 20, 2010 8:42 pm

Thanks for all the input guys. I'm worn out already just thinking about it. I now think I have a better chance at becoming a pretty, young movie actress in Hollywood! lol!

I reckon I've really just written them for my own enjoyment. I need to get this stuff out of my head or it haunts me. Seeing as I know nothing about the business I thought I'd ask. Oh well maybe my kids will read them when they get old and grey. study
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beebiz

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Age : 60
Location : McKenzie, Tennessee
Registration date : 2010-09-12

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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyWed Oct 20, 2010 9:12 pm

Brother Valky, do you think you might consider publishing your own e-book? Just curious.

Robert
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Falconer

Falconer

Age : 69
Location : this side of Wichita
Registration date : 2010-06-12

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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyWed Oct 20, 2010 9:30 pm

beebiz wrote:
Brother Valky, do you think you might consider publishing your own e-book? Just curious.

Robert

Richard, tongue I don't think I have e-nuff gumption for that. maybe when I retire?
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beebiz

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Age : 60
Location : McKenzie, Tennessee
Registration date : 2010-09-12

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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyWed Oct 20, 2010 9:36 pm

Falconer wrote:
beebiz wrote:
Brother Valky, do you think you might consider publishing your own e-book? Just curious.

Robert

Richard, tongue I don't think I have e-nuff gumption for that. maybe when I retire?
Alright, Bird! tongue But, when's that going to be... three days after Hell freezes over????? Shocked Nope... can't do it then... that's when you're going to start drawing the old steam engines in your state! I guess the novel will have to wait until the fourth day, right??? Rolling Eyes

Robert
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Falconer

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Age : 69
Location : this side of Wichita
Registration date : 2010-06-12

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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyWed Oct 20, 2010 9:53 pm

beebiz wrote:
Falconer wrote:
beebiz wrote:
Brother Valky, do you think you might consider publishing your own e-book? Just curious.

Robert

Richard, tongue I don't think I have e-nuff gumption for that. maybe when I retire?
Alright, Bird! tongue But, when's that going to be... three days after Hell freezes over????? Shocked Nope... can't do it then... that's when you're going to start drawing the old steam engines in your state! I guess the novel will have to wait until the fourth day, right??? Rolling Eyes

Robert

Only a busy Bee like yourself would work out a planned schedule on his retirement. I'll do what ever tickles my butt once I retire, no certain plans no have to do's, no...what's that dear? Yes I'm listening, yeah I plan to get the oil changed in your car tomorrow. Yes, alright, as you say. Broom, I'll have to get back to you on this.
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beebiz

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Age : 60
Location : McKenzie, Tennessee
Registration date : 2010-09-12

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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyWed Oct 20, 2010 10:01 pm

Falconer wrote:
beebiz wrote:
Falconer wrote:
beebiz wrote:
Brother Valky, do you think you might consider publishing your own e-book? Just curious.

Robert

Richard, tongue I don't think I have e-nuff gumption for that. maybe when I retire?
Alright, Bird! tongue But, when's that going to be... three days after Hell freezes over????? Shocked Nope... can't do it then... that's when you're going to start drawing the old steam engines in your state! I guess the novel will have to wait until the fourth day, right??? Rolling Eyes

Robert

Only a busy Bee like yourself would work out a planned schedule on his retirement. I'll do what ever tickles my butt once I retire, no certain plans no have to do's, no...what's that dear? Yes I'm listening, yeah I plan to get the oil changed in your car tomorrow. Yes, alright, as you say. Broom, I'll have to get back to you on this.
lol! lol! lol!
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LL

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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyWed Oct 20, 2010 10:28 pm

Falconer wrote:

Only a busy Bee like yourself ...

Instant nickname, there. PB is sometimes PeeB, Puff Daddy is Puffy or The Puffster, and so on. (most of my nicknames are unfit to print Laughing )

So: Robert, a.k.a. Beebiz, is now Busybee.

Thanks, Falconer. Very Happy
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beebiz

beebiz

Age : 60
Location : McKenzie, Tennessee
Registration date : 2010-09-12

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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyWed Oct 20, 2010 10:49 pm

LL wrote:
Falconer wrote:

Only a busy Bee like yourself ...

Instant nickname, there. PB is sometimes PeeB, Puff Daddy is Puffy or The Puffster, and so on. (most of my nicknames are unfit to print Laughing )

So: Robert, a.k.a. Beebiz, is now Busybee.

Thanks, Falconer. Very Happy
Careful LL... you'll have me thinking you and Valky are birds of a feather!!! Shocked Laughing

Robert
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Falconer

Falconer

Age : 69
Location : this side of Wichita
Registration date : 2010-06-12

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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyWed Oct 20, 2010 10:56 pm

LL wrote:
Falconer wrote:

Only a busy Bee like yourself ...

Instant nickname, there. PB is sometimes PeeB, Puff Daddy is Puffy or The Puffster, and so on. (most of my nicknames are unfit to print Laughing )

So: Robert, a.k.a. Beebiz, is now Busybee.

Thanks, Falconer. Very Happy

No Problem Double Hockey Sticks Cool I am to please but Broom Face really chaps his hide so I'll stick with that.

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beebiz

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Age : 60
Location : McKenzie, Tennessee
Registration date : 2010-09-12

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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyWed Oct 20, 2010 11:08 pm

Falconer wrote:
LL wrote:
Falconer wrote:

Only a busy Bee like yourself ...

Instant nickname, there. PB is sometimes PeeB, Puff Daddy is Puffy or The Puffster, and so on. (most of my nicknames are unfit to print Laughing )

So: Robert, a.k.a. Beebiz, is now Busybee.

Thanks, Falconer. Very Happy

No Problem Double Hockey Sticks Cool I am to please but Broom Face really chaps his hide so I'll stick with that.

Broom Face... Broom Boy none of the bother me at all, Bird! Linda and I both view them as kind of cute... in a childish way! And, when you consider the source......... Laughing Laughing

Robert
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Falconer

Falconer

Age : 69
Location : this side of Wichita
Registration date : 2010-06-12

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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyWed Oct 20, 2010 11:16 pm

beebiz wrote:
Falconer wrote:
LL wrote:
Falconer wrote:

Only a busy Bee like yourself ...

Instant nickname, there. PB is sometimes PeeB, Puff Daddy is Puffy or The Puffster, and so on. (most of my nicknames are unfit to print Laughing )

So: Robert, a.k.a. Beebiz, is now Busybee.

Thanks, Falconer. Very Happy

No Problem Double Hockey Sticks Cool I am to please but Broom Face really chaps his hide so I'll stick with that.

Broom Face... Broom Boy none of the bother me at all, Bird! Linda and I both view them as kind of cute... in a childish way! And, when you consider the source......... Laughing Laughing

Robert

Remember when I sent you the prints of the steam engines and gave you the bird too? lol!
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beebiz

beebiz

Age : 60
Location : McKenzie, Tennessee
Registration date : 2010-09-12

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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyThu Oct 21, 2010 12:15 am

Falconer wrote:
beebiz wrote:
Falconer wrote:
LL wrote:
Falconer wrote:

Only a busy Bee like yourself ...

Instant nickname, there. PB is sometimes PeeB, Puff Daddy is Puffy or The Puffster, and so on. (most of my nicknames are unfit to print Laughing )

So: Robert, a.k.a. Beebiz, is now Busybee.

Thanks, Falconer. Very Happy

No Problem Double Hockey Sticks Cool I am to please but Broom Face really chaps his hide so I'll stick with that.

Broom Face... Broom Boy none of the bother me at all, Bird! Linda and I both view them as kind of cute... in a childish way! And, when you consider the source......... Laughing Laughing

Robert

Remember when I sent you the prints of the steam engines and gave you the bird too? lol!
Actually, I was just having visions of steam boats and t-shirts running through my mind!!! lol!

Care to call it a draw??? Question Question Question
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Falconer

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Age : 69
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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyThu Oct 21, 2010 12:18 am


Care to call it a draw??? Question Question Question [/quote]

A NOVEL idea, I'm out.
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beebiz

beebiz

Age : 60
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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyThu Oct 21, 2010 12:23 am

Falconer wrote:

Care to call it a draw??? Question Question Question

A NOVEL idea, I'm out.
Now, that, my friends... is my dear brother Falconer!!!!!!
cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers
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Greyson

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Age : 39
Location : England
Registration date : 2012-08-03

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PostSubject: Re: finished Novel   finished Novel EmptyFri Aug 03, 2012 8:52 pm

I don't know if this is a dead thread I'm replying to here, I hope not. There's a lot of very good advice from the guys on the first page, I'm looking at the uphill slog myself soon with any luck. However there are a couple of options that may not have been mentioned much - first there is the option for writers starting from nothing (you're already past here as you have the finished work) but Kickstarter (was going to put the link here but I'm too new to post sorry) has proven a very successful way to crowd source new authors, it gives them a bit of a boost to help support them while they devote the time needed to write. Like I said you are past here, but it might also be useful to drum up some funds towards self publishing if you were to go that route.

Secondly publishing for kindle is a damn sight easier than trying to convince a publishing house to give you the time of day. Sure, there is still a 'only self published' author stigma that goes with it from some people, but do you really care what people like that think? All you need to do is buy an ISBN and you can submit straight to kindle. There are many authors that have made a living this way, and I personally think its great that you don't need somebody else's permission to be a success any more. More information is available here: (was going to put the link here but I'm too new to post sorry)

if youre looking for the links pm me... or give me another 5 days!
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