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tarheel7734

tarheel7734

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PostSubject: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptySun Dec 28, 2014 3:41 pm

I am wondering what the finish differences are between the Pebble Grain and Ashton Brindle. I know the stain is different but how so?
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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptySun Dec 28, 2014 3:47 pm

Brindles have a cumberland (aka "Brindle") stem, streaked red/brown, rather than black ebonite (or Ashtonite whatever that was).
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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptySun Dec 28, 2014 3:55 pm

Sasquatch wrote:
Brindles have a cumberland (aka "Brindle") stem, streaked red/brown, rather than black ebonite (or Ashtonite whatever that was).  
Not true. Some Pebble grain have Cumberland stems and some brindle have other color stems. There is a stain difference. Bill Taylor lost the Brindle stain recipe for 5 years. The stem is not what Differentiates these.
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Sasquatch

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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptySun Dec 28, 2014 8:50 pm

Well... okay. You already knew.

It's just that, every picture I can find of an Ashton marked as "Brindle" has a cumberland or similar stem.

As per: http://www.pipes.org/BURST/FORMATTED/187.025.html

"The Pebble Grain is a sandblasted finish that is usually stained
black with deep red highlights, although some are brown stained.
The Brindle finish is a dark brown stained sandblast that is matched
with a brown colored vulcanite mouthpiece."


So I would suggest that a brown stained blast without a brindle stem is in fact not a "Brindle".

If you need a color match, I'd suggest Feibing's "Chocolate"
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riff raff

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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptySun Dec 28, 2014 9:23 pm

That's a good question, I think more to do with the briar than the stem.

Brindle stamped pipes always have Cumberland stems.

Pebble Grain pipes can have an Ashtonite or Cumberland stem.

I've never encountered a reference as to the finish of the Brindle pipes.  Are they strictly blasted pipe or a Pebble Grain?

Edit: I was thinking about the Pebble Shell, which uses a two step blasting process. I think the reference Sas lists earlier answers the original question.
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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptyMon Dec 29, 2014 2:29 am

tarheel7734 wrote:
Sasquatch wrote:
Brindles have a cumberland (aka "Brindle") stem, streaked red/brown, rather than black ebonite (or Ashtonite whatever that was).  
Not true. Some Pebble grain have Cumberland stems and some brindle have other color stems. There is a stain difference. Bill Taylor lost the Brindle stain recipe for 5 years. The stem is not what Differentiates these.

WOW!! You've gained a lot of knowledge in a mere 3 months cheers

I've been smoking the pipe for 45 years and I don't know half as much as you do. Well done !!
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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptyMon Dec 29, 2014 2:35 am

SpeedyPete wrote:
tarheel7734 wrote:
Sasquatch wrote:
Brindles have a cumberland (aka "Brindle") stem, streaked red/brown, rather than black ebonite (or Ashtonite whatever that was).  
Not true. Some Pebble grain have Cumberland stems and some brindle have other color stems. There is a stain difference. Bill Taylor lost the Brindle stain recipe for 5 years. The stem is not what Differentiates these.

WOW!!  You've gained a lot of knowledge in a mere 3 months cheers

I've been smoking the pipe for 45 years and I don't know half as much as you do. Well done !!
I have been smoking a pipe since 1998, just had a break in 2010. I have done q lot of research over the years on Brittish pipe makers, but could not find the stain difference in writing.
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riff raff

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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptyMon Dec 29, 2014 11:08 am

It would have been interesting if someone had interviewed Bill Taylor in depth. But, I guess those stain/finish recipes would have been top secret anyway.
I was just re-reading some old Ashton info recently. I didn't realize he had misplaced his date stamp in 1995, so some pipes for that year don't have date stamps. Occasionally an undated pipe shows up, now I assume those would most likely be from '95.
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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptyMon Dec 29, 2014 11:28 am

riff raff wrote:
It would have been interesting if someone had interviewed Bill Taylor in depth.  But, I guess those stain/finish recipes would have been top secret anyway.  
I was just re-reading some old Ashton info recently.  I didn't realize he had misplaced his date stamp in 1995, so some pipes for that year don't have date stamps.  Occasionally an undated pipe shows up, now I assume those would most likely be from '95.  
From what i understand he was not very organized. Thats one thing that has improved with Mr Craig.
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riff raff

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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptyMon Dec 29, 2014 11:34 am

tarheel7734 wrote:
riff raff wrote:
It would have been interesting if someone had interviewed Bill Taylor in depth.  But, I guess those stain/finish recipes would have been top secret anyway.  
I was just re-reading some old Ashton info recently.  I didn't realize he had misplaced his date stamp in 1995, so some pipes for that year don't have date stamps.  Occasionally an undated pipe shows up, now I assume those would most likely be from '95.  
From what i understand he was not very organized. Thats one thing that has improved with Mr Craig.

I've heard the same .....and his enjoyment for the lunch happy hour.
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mustanggt

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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptyMon Dec 29, 2014 12:23 pm

I have a 1999 brindle Canadian that has a black stem on it.
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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptyMon Dec 29, 2014 12:35 pm

mustanggt wrote:
I have a 1999 brindle Canadian that has a black stem on it.
Would love some pictures of Bills work. I really wish i had not sold my bespoke.
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riff raff

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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptyMon Dec 29, 2014 12:59 pm

mustanggt wrote:
I have a 1999 brindle Canadian that has a black stem on it.

Wow, I'd love to see that! That just goes to show you that anything is possible in the Ashton world and there are no absolutes.
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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptyMon Dec 29, 2014 1:29 pm

I'd be happy to when I get home tonight. However since I'm so new there's a probationary period before I can post links and such from outside this forum. I got a message when I tried to post something the other night.
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riff raff

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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptyMon Dec 29, 2014 1:49 pm

Here's a tidbit from the RD Field Ashton Collection:
http://www.rdfield.com/Ashton/the_ashton_collection.htm
Image #2423.jpg (43197 bytes) shows the first Brindle finish. Up to this time all Ashton sandblasted pipes had the Pebblegrain finish- black with reddish highlights showing through. The Brindle finish showed reddish brown, complementing the Brindle material used for many of the early Ashton mouthpieces. wrote:

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mustanggt

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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptyMon Dec 29, 2014 10:13 pm

Here are two of my Ashtons. Canadian is first of course.
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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptyMon Dec 29, 2014 10:16 pm

And the last two.
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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptyMon Dec 29, 2014 10:47 pm

Very nice indeed mustang!

Cool


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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptyMon Dec 29, 2014 10:57 pm

I LOOOOVE sandblasted pipes and THOSE are some FINE examples !!! Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptyTue Dec 30, 2014 2:04 am

First of all, I like your "handle" as I'm a devoted FORD fan Very Happy

Beautiful pipes with the lavot being my favourite, beautiful blast showing some great grain.
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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptyTue Dec 30, 2014 8:28 am

I found a very worn Pebble Shell at one of the shops I frequent. The owner was out, so I stashed it in a nook to negotiate at the next club meeting. This is the first Pebble Shell I've encountered.
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tarheel7734

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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptyTue Dec 30, 2014 12:19 pm

Nice. I have an Ashton on order. Hopefully wont be too long before I get it.
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PostSubject: Re: Ashton experts please help.   Ashton experts please help. EmptyWed Dec 31, 2014 2:53 pm

There is one beautiful unsmoked Ashton pipe with Cumberland stem on eBay, seller knobby 1041
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Does anyone have the link to David Field's website with the photos of his Ashton collection?
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