Bonanzadriver
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Picked up this Yacht as part of an estate find on CL.
Probably have $5 to $10 in it...
Probably have $5 to $10 in it...
Is that a Jeantet bottom left? Looks like the kind of Bent Bulldog I’d want in my new little collection. And the one next to it with a white stem has a beautiful grain. No reason in the world to part from that! i likeCorncobcon":b2bo1bh3 said:
JensDK":3w1s15re said:Wau, a really beautiful shape. Does it have a name stamped?
JensDK":5wnbzgwb said:Is that a Jeantet bottom left? Looks like the kind of Bent Bulldog I’d want in my new little collection. And the one next to it with a white stem has a beautiful grain. No reason in the world to part from that! i likeCorncobcon":5wnbzgwb said:
I completely agree. But I think some of the difference in quality between then and now is also down to the increasing demand for briar that leads to exploitation of the stock that nature could provide. From (I think) the 80's and onwards even good manufacturers were accepting flaws that you rarely find on pipes from the 50's or 60's.Zeno Marx":u3mawaz8 said:I feel it is hard to beat those older British 2nds for the money. John Redman Ltd/British Empire Pipe Co pipes on ebay go for very little. Got to think it was because they were buying good briar and not screwing up the production too terribly. No great craftsmanship, just not screwing up the raw resource or screwing it up too badly in the process. Some of that old blasting that they did assembly line style is every bit as nicely done as artisan pipes of hundreds of dollars today. I appreciate what everyone is doing today, but it also makes me take pause.
I wasn't thinking like that with my post, but I do feel it to be true. I think of stereo equipment. If you bought a quality brand, they had no junk product. You'd get increased performance and more features, but you were never going to get a downright piece of junk. Quality was always a part of the contract. In other words, you didn't have to pay more for it to not be a piece of junk. That's something that drives me insane about our world now. They don't mind taking $100 for a piece of crap, and they make it clear that at $150, they promise it won't be a piece of crap. Or in the spirit of planned obsolescence, the base products are made to have a limited lifespan, but if you spend X more, the thing will last an acceptable amount of time. "Screw you. Your prices are already exorbitant. I have to buy top of the line just for a half-assed guarantee it will actually still function in two years? I'm already paying you a lot of money."JensDK":j5ljc4zi said:I completely agree. But I think some of the difference in quality between then and now is also down to the increasing demand for briar that leads to exploitation of the stock that nature could provide. From (I think) the 80's and onwards even good manufacturers were accepting flaws that you rarely find on pipes from the 50's or 60's.Zeno Marx":j5ljc4zi said:I feel it is hard to beat those older British 2nds for the money. John Redman Ltd/British Empire Pipe Co pipes on ebay go for very little. Got to think it was because they were buying good briar and not screwing up the production too terribly. No great craftsmanship, just not screwing up the raw resource or screwing it up too badly in the process. Some of that old blasting that they did assembly line style is every bit as nicely done as artisan pipes of hundreds of dollars today. I appreciate what everyone is doing today, but it also makes me take pause.
Another point you make, if I get you correctly, is that the old school manufacturers were more no nonsense about the pipes. They offered a perfect shape and a nice grain. If you spent more money you got a beautiful grain and maybe (but not necessearily) a silver ring. That's like saying, if the pipe is good, it will prove itself. I like that old school attitude a lot.
Hehe, yep! The Everyman I started this thread with doesn’t even have by Comoy’s stamped on it and yet it smokes as perfectly as any they ever made. That’s integrity!Zeno Marx":47qydqma said:I wasn't thinking like that with my post, but I do feel it to be true. I think of stereo equipment. If you bought a quality brand, they had no junk product. You'd get increased performance and more features, but you were never going to get a downright piece of junk. Quality was always a part of the contract. In other words, you didn't have to pay more for it to not be a piece of junk. That's something that drives me insane about our world now. They don't mind taking $100 for a piece of crap, and they make it clear that at $150, they promise it won't be a piece of crap. Or in the spirit of planned obsolescence, the base products are made to have a limited lifespan, but if you spend X more, the thing will last an acceptable amount of time. "Screw you. Your prices are already exorbitant. I have to buy top of the line just for a half-assed guarantee it will actually still function in two years? I'm already paying you a lot of money."JensDK":47qydqma said:I completely agree. But I think some of the difference in quality between then and now is also down to the increasing demand for briar that leads to exploitation of the stock that nature could provide. From (I think) the 80's and onwards even good manufacturers were accepting flaws that you rarely find on pipes from the 50's or 60's.Zeno Marx":47qydqma said:I feel it is hard to beat those older British 2nds for the money. John Redman Ltd/British Empire Pipe Co pipes on ebay go for very little. Got to think it was because they were buying good briar and not screwing up the production too terribly. No great craftsmanship, just not screwing up the raw resource or screwing it up too badly in the process. Some of that old blasting that they did assembly line style is every bit as nicely done as artisan pipes of hundreds of dollars today. I appreciate what everyone is doing today, but it also makes me take pause.
Another point you make, if I get you correctly, is that the old school manufacturers were more no nonsense about the pipes. They offered a perfect shape and a nice grain. If you spent more money you got a beautiful grain and maybe (but not necessearily) a silver ring. That's like saying, if the pipe is good, it will prove itself. I like that old school attitude a lot.
If you bought a Charatan Belvedere, you were buying a Charatan. Period. It wasn't actually a Charatan Minus. They were proud of everything they stamped with their name, and if you were buying their stamp, you could be secure in your purchase.
Again you’re right. But it’s lost on me. I only buy cheap razors because I keep dropping them on the bathroom tiles. Never happens with the pipes, funny enough ?Zeno Marx":vxgdmpj7 said:Electric Razors are another one. You can now spend $60 for a razor that barely shaves and last 8 months. Or $250 for one that gives an acceptable shave and last 5-10 years. Back when, you could spend $20 for a razor that shaved perfectly and was manufactured with a motor that would run your entire lifetime. It might only have on/off with a wall plug, but you weren't going to be spending another $20 anytime soon.
???Blackhorse":9yudttk8 said:Could I post a picture of my wife? She’s REALLY cheap.
JensDK":eglvyd1n said:???Blackhorse":eglvyd1n said:Could I post a picture of my wife? She’s REALLY cheap.
Well, you’re the moderator, so you don’t really have to ask for my permission. Just go for it! And who knows, she might be worth a little bit more than a cheap pipeBlackhorse":fn8rb54a said:JensDK":fn8rb54a said:???Blackhorse":fn8rb54a said:Could I post a picture of my wife? She’s REALLY cheap.
Well, the title of this thread says to show the cheap one you love. So...
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