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Brit commentator Pat Cordell predicted the current assault on the First Amendment seven years ago, boys and girls:

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Well, it's happening. Brothah LL pointed the finger at it in his 'Orwell's "Ministry of Truth" is becoming real as we speak' post.

It's happening all over the nation, folks...and nowhere more virulently than on college campuses, where speaking the truth is labeled "micro-aggression" if it upsets some self-prepossessed dipstick's delicate sensibilities. It doesn't matter if what you say is true; in fact, speaking the truth is the most offensive thing of all.

It's axiomatic that liars have the most hatred for the truth. So, it's no accident that some of the most fervent supporters of Mr. Obama's chosen, notoriously mendacious presidential candidate consider the First Amendment their biggest enemy. They cannot handle the truth, so their goal is to criminalize it.

It has already happened in Europe. Sweden has surrendered without a fight. And now they're trying to do it here. Hostility toward the truth is one of the hallmarks of a declining civilization...and it's one of the consequences of being part of entire generations who do not value their freedoms because they've never had to defend them.

 

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Pat Condell, one of my heroes. Love that guy. And I agree completely with your pre-obituary of the first amendment.
 

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Remember folks, the Constitution is written in invisible ink. The Bill of Rights is not much better. It's a list of privileges, nothing more. Privileges can be given and taken away. Watch them fly..............

The thought that the common man can influence and enforce laws is called anarchy. Those who would oppose the Status Quo are labeled terrorists.

We don't want to be terrorists now, do we? You have to win to be called Freedom Fighters.

The American Dream is for those asleep.

By careful manipulation, the populace have been scared into DEMANDING curtailment of any free thinking, radical idealisms, and 'Rights'. Anyone with their toes sticking out are going to be complaining they're offended. Hell, you can look at folks these days and get in trouble for menacing or psychological assault. A hand shake could be biological warfare.

Good morning Sunshine, time to get up on your hind legs and dance with the big boys. Or just quit whining and eat your gruel. (mumble, mumble, mumble............)
 

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I feel sorry for you guys. at least when our politicians shaft us now they have the common decency to spit first.

 

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kitobi":a7l3p27w said:
I feel sorry for you guys. at least when our politicians shaft us now they have the common decency to spit first.
Conscious I might be going a little of thread.... I caught a bit of the Trump / Clinton debate on BBC's Radio 4 this morning and it reminded me of the recent EU referendum; both sides hell bent on discrediting the other rather than focus on their own positives. Like the referendum, it just sounded like playground stuff and a quantum leap away from what I'd imagine you'd want sat in the Oval Office. :suspect:
 

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Stick":buthy5bb said:
kitobi":buthy5bb said:
I feel sorry for you guys. at least when our politicians shaft us now they have the common decency to spit first.
Conscious I might be going a little of thread.... I caught a bit of the Trump / Clinton debate on BBC's Radio 4 this morning and it reminded me of the recent EU referendum; both sides hell bent on discrediting the other rather than focus on their own positives.  Like the referendum, it just sounded like playground stuff and a quantum leap away from what I'd imagine you'd want sat in the Oval Office.  :suspect:
Only our best and finest representatives get to play..... How else would the rest of the planet get to form opinions of our fair country?
 

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Ozark Wizard":s78sm6p6 said:
Stick":s78sm6p6 said:
kitobi":s78sm6p6 said:
I feel sorry for you guys. at least when our politicians shaft us now they have the common decency to spit first.
Conscious I might be going a little of thread.... I caught a bit of the Trump / Clinton debate on BBC's Radio 4 this morning and it reminded me of the recent EU referendum; both sides hell bent on discrediting the other rather than focus on their own positives.  Like the referendum, it just sounded like playground stuff and a quantum leap away from what I'd imagine you'd want sat in the Oval Office.  :suspect:
Only our best and finest representatives get to play..... How else would the rest of the planet get to form opinions of our fair country?
318 million people live in America and they were your best 2 ????
 

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kitobi":nvqahba2 said:
Ozark Wizard":nvqahba2 said:
Stick":nvqahba2 said:
kitobi":nvqahba2 said:
I feel sorry for you guys. at least when our politicians shaft us now they have the common decency to spit first.
Conscious I might be going a little of thread.... I caught a bit of the Trump / Clinton debate on BBC's Radio 4 this morning and it reminded me of the recent EU referendum; both sides hell bent on discrediting the other rather than focus on their own positives.  Like the referendum, it just sounded like playground stuff and a quantum leap away from what I'd imagine you'd want sat in the Oval Office.  :suspect:
Only our best and finest representatives get to play..... How else would the rest of the planet get to form opinions of our fair country?
318 million people live in America and they were your best 2 ????
In that case, you heard this here first....


PB for President!!!! :cheers:
 

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Stick:

I made it a point not to watch the "debate", which I expected to be a pissing contest over who was the biggest prick. (I'd expect Hillary to have the edge on that one.)

I've seen a little of what Mr. Trump has to say. Sounds like classic campaign rhetoric to me. Frankly, he puzzles me. I can't believe he's naive enough to think the deeply entrenched, institutionalized interests are going to let him shake things up as much as he promises to do. He obviously knows how to get things done in the real world, but whether that will translate to success in the bizarre, fantasy world of politics seems questionable, if not doubtful. He's a wild card; I don't know if anyone can be sure what he'll do.

By contrast, "Mrs." Clinton is pure establishment—the embodiment of institutionalized corruption and fraud. She cares about one thing only—her ambition. She has lied so much I don't think she's even capable of recognizing the truth any more. But she's not a wild card; she has made it very clear what she intends to do, and I believe she'll do it. Anyone who values the Constitution should be very, very afraid if she grabs the power she craves.

So, once again we're faced with the same kind of choice we've had to live with for a long time now — namely, whom to vote against. The kind of person I would vote for doesn't have a chance in this political process.

Well, there really isn't any choice, as far as I'm concerned. I have to vote for Trump, whose principal qualification is that he's not Clinton. I'd rather take the chance that he might do some good than accept the certainty that she'll stomp what's left of our freedom into the dirt.

 

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

It happened before.
 

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That was actually triggered (if the moronic anti-everything can be triggered so can a hillbilly) by your statement Ozzy. The Constitution doesn't give any man or women their rights... It enunciates their god given rights and places limits on the government, not the citizenry. That We The People have allowed a bunch of holier than thou, self indulgent, meglomaniac, lawyers tell us otherwise was the first and the fatal mistake.

As my good friend Vito often says, "The Revolution wasn't the Rebellion, the Revolution was the thought that man ought to be free to self-govern himself".

Look around, do you see any self-governance? I sure as hell don't. I see quite the opposite, people clamorimg for more chains. Might as well dust off those old negro spirituals because we are every bit the slave they were.

PS: They wouldn't allow me on the same street as the White House, much less in the place. They'd Vince Foster me in a heartbeat.

Vote early, vote often, give all your dead kinfolk a ride to the polls..they ARE going to vote, they might as well be there.
 

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Vito":goc8dlfv said:
I made it a point not to watch the "debate", which I expected to be a pissing contest over who was the biggest prick. (I'd expect Hillary to have the edge on that one.)

I've seen a little of what Mr. Trump has to say. Sounds like classic campaign rhetoric to me. Frankly, he puzzles me. I can't believe he's naive enough to think the deeply entrenched, institutionalized interests are going to let him shake things up as much as he promises to do. He obviously knows how to get things done in the real world, but whether that will translate to success in the bizarre, fantasy world of politics seems questionable, if not doubtful. He's a wild card; I don't know if anyone can be sure what he'll do.

By contrast, "Mrs." Clinton is pure establishment—the embodiment of institutionalized corruption and fraud. She cares about one thing only—her ambition. She has lied so much I don't think she's even capable of recognizing the truth any more. But she's not a wild card; she has made it very clear what she intends to do, and I believe she'll do it. Anyone who values the Constitution should be very, very afraid if she grabs the power she craves.

So, once again we're faced with the same kind of choice we've had to live with for a long time now — namely, whom to vote against. The kind of person I would vote for doesn't have a chance in this political process.

Well, there really isn't any choice, as far as I'm concerned. I have to vote for Trump, whose principal qualification is that he's not Clinton. I'd rather take the chance that he might do some good than accept the certainty that she'll stomp what's left of our freedom into the dirt.
Reading that was one of the strangest sensation-experiences I've had in a long time.  Not only did Vito just say exactly what I think of the situation, but his writing style is so similar I did a double take to be sure he hadn't cut-and-pasted something I had written somewhere before as an inside joke.

Truly bizarre.
 

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LL:

There is ample precedent for our shared perspective, and it has worked in reverse more often that not. Usually, you say it before I do.  :mrgreen:

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PB for President!
Ozzie: But that's exactly what the problem is, mah brothah. The belief that it's possible to elect someone to solve our problems for us is precisely how we've managed to institutionalize the chaos that necessarily results from such a success-proof system. And sure enough, the system is doing the only thing it can do—namely, breed more chaos.

PeeBee has absolutely nailed it. The Declaration of Independence embodies the spirit of the Revolution. Living its principles isn't a job that Someone Else<img class="emojione" alt="™️" title=":tm:" title=":tm:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/emojione/assets/png/2122.png?v=2.2.7"/> can do for us. No one is going to give us freedom, especially not a bunch of politicians. Freedom—the ability to control our own lives and property, and not control anyone else's—is something we have to create for ourselves.

That's what the Declaration is about. It's not someone else's job. The perennial, persistent, pernicious superstition that it's somehow possible to fix everything using the political process is the reason nothing will ever be fixed. The political process itself is the problem, not the solution.

When enough folks realize that the price of freedom is personal responsibility, then we'll make some progress. Until then, all we've got is bread and circuses. That's already been tried, and we all know where it goes.



p.s. PeeBee doesn't want the job...and if he did, that would disqualify him. Think about it. ;)
 

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If I were president, I'd be Commander in Chief. If I were Commander in Chief I'd throw a military coup to topple my own government. Then I'd wear a Colonel Uniform with lots and lots of flash, oh and mirrored glasses. I'd hang out most all day smoking some decent cigars and having War Councils with my generals. I suppose occasionaly I'd have to give statements on the public broadcasting system. "Death to the Great Satan of the West..blah blah yada yada or somemsuch,". I might have them drive tanks behind me as I announce there are no American infidels in Washington, Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf style (Baghdad Bob). I still laugh about that 25 years later.
 

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[/quote]

Conscious I might be going a little of thread.... I caught a bit of the Trump / Clinton debate on BBC's Radio 4 this morning and it reminded me of the recent EU referendum; both sides hell bent on discrediting the other rather than focus on their own positives. Like the referendum, it just sounded like playground stuff and a quantum leap away from what I'd imagine you'd want sat in the Oval Office. :suspect: [/quote]

Well I sent a letter to the Queen requesting to borrow Prince Harry for a couple of years until the politial parties can field some better candidates. She said that was too bad and we're on our own!
 

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Bosun, Mom is still pissed off over the temper tantrum we threw when she said we couldn't move out. ;)
 

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Holy cow, this is getting heavy!

What's clear is how passionate you guys feel about your current options. As said above, remarkable that these two bounders are the best you've got.
 
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