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**URGENT** CRIPPLING TAXES ON PIPE TOBACCO PROPOSED
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<blockquote data-quote="gandalfpc" data-source="post: 161951" data-attributes="member: 859"><p>Don't be so sure - the GAO accounting practices are quite good - I could spend the time researching the figures, as could any one of us - it is hardly fair to simply claim that all is corrupt and that all numbers are lies.</p><p></p><p>Saying that welfare admin costs are 80 percent is not accounting - it is a false claim which demonizes the system.</p><p></p><p>If you want to gut welfare you make such claims - along with those claims that all those on welfare are lazy and would be better off without it.</p><p></p><p>The truth is that a society is judged by how it treats it's poor, and that we avoid having to say "f@ck the poor, I don't care about them" by claiming they don't exist or that the programs that help them are corrupt wasteful drains on a great society.</p><p></p><p>When we put a face on welfare it is not the face of an innocent child, it is always the face of the lazy moocher. </p><p></p><p>Anyone going to bring up tithing?</p><p></p><p>As for pipe tobacco taxes - they are going up - and up - at least for many blends, as the RYO makers have bundled us in with cigarettes.</p><p></p><p>Cellar now - or hoard if that's what you like to call it - I call it saving money in the long run.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gandalfpc, post: 161951, member: 859"] Don't be so sure - the GAO accounting practices are quite good - I could spend the time researching the figures, as could any one of us - it is hardly fair to simply claim that all is corrupt and that all numbers are lies. Saying that welfare admin costs are 80 percent is not accounting - it is a false claim which demonizes the system. If you want to gut welfare you make such claims - along with those claims that all those on welfare are lazy and would be better off without it. The truth is that a society is judged by how it treats it's poor, and that we avoid having to say "f@ck the poor, I don't care about them" by claiming they don't exist or that the programs that help them are corrupt wasteful drains on a great society. When we put a face on welfare it is not the face of an innocent child, it is always the face of the lazy moocher. Anyone going to bring up tithing? As for pipe tobacco taxes - they are going up - and up - at least for many blends, as the RYO makers have bundled us in with cigarettes. Cellar now - or hoard if that's what you like to call it - I call it saving money in the long run. [/QUOTE]
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